Also, PC gamers won't really get into it for the quality reasons. If they are buying PC, then they don't mind spending the money. Aside from those groups, you have those PC gamers (which is the lion share these days) who like MMOs, like WOW. I don't see WOW working well on a network system like Onlive.   The biggest problem though, is going to be for those who have monthly data limits, of which some are no more than 100GBs. They can burn through that in about 5 days of moderate of gaming on Onlive. I don't know if my ISP would send me a letter for over bandwidth usage, though my internet is unlimited (my connection is 30mbps/3mbps). But I have read where people have gotten a warning letter for over usage, mainly though for uploading large amounts of data continuously over long periods of time.  If Onlive goes through an ISPs server, of which I suspect they will, then it may be a different story. B y the way, there's already a video out there of a guy who is already playing through his 46" TV, using his laptop, I just cannot find it, but it looked cool.  I wanted to do that as well, but I wanted to see what connector he used. "

" @Jimmy6068 said:

 Also, PC gamers won't really get into it for the quality reasons. If they are buying PC, then they don't mind spending the money. Aside from those groups, you have those PC gamers (which is the lion share these days) who like MMOs, like WOW. I don't see WOW working well on a network system like Onlive.   The biggest problem though, is going to be for those who have monthly data limits, of which some are no more than 100GBs. They can burn through that in about 5 days of moderate of gaming on Onlive. I don't know if my ISP would send me a letter for over bandwidth usage, though my internet is unlimited (my connection is 30mbps/3mbps). But I have read where people have gotten a warning letter for over usage, mainly though for uploading large amounts of data continuously over long periods of time.  If Onlive goes through an ISPs server, of which I suspect they will, then it may be a different story. B y the way, there's already a video out there of a guy who is already playing through his 46" TV, using his laptop, I just cannot find it, but it looked cool.  I wanted to do that as well, but I wanted to see what connector he used. "

The only way an MMO would work with OnLive, is if OnLive itself was the server. You have to keep in mind, OnLive is basically a giant LAN party so all multiplayer matches have 0 ping. Also, now this is just speculation, but OnLive has cut deals with major ISPs, purchasing 10GB servers from each instead of one 1TB server from one of them. I would suspect that the OnLive subscription fee might go towards the ISPs in the deal, which could negate the bandwidth that you use while playing OnLive. Again this is strictly speculation, and I've not heard anything official on this topic, but it's certainly something to think about. They already have deals with ISPs to get the fastest node connection to the user, so latency is minimized. "

I'm talking 10Gb/s transfer lines, for example my line is 20Mb/s. I'm sure their actual datacenters have tons of TB of storage.

" I'm talking 10Gb/s transfer lines, for example my line is 20Mb/s. I'm sure their actual datacenters have tons of TB of storage. "

Who cares about server size? It's all virtualized. 
 
Besides, I bet they have only like 1 install per game per datacenter, and the rest of their server space is purely for storing things like credit cards and achievements. Their costs are probably a lot lower than you think.

Lag on singleplayer games?
If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore?
Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)
Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?
Huge and constant bandwidth usage?
Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price)
Less control over my gaming experience?
What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers? 
Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway?
 
What's not to like?

Onlive lags on singleplayer games, has no mod support for PC games, mid-range graphics settings, and expects me to pay full price for a game that they'll only support for 3 years!?!?!
 
Fuck that.

A year of OnLive is the same price as a new 360 Arcade and a year of Gold (at $30, which it goes on sale for every 2 months at various retailers). After that first year, OnLive is much more expensive. For me, nothing about OnLive makes it a better option.

" Lag on singleplayer games? If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore? Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?Huge and constant bandwidth usage? Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price) Less control over my gaming experience? What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers?  Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway? What's not to like? "

" Onlive lags on singleplayer games, has no mod support for PC games, mid-range graphics settings, and expects me to pay full price for a game that they'll only support for 3 years!?!?!  Fuck that. "

" A year of OnLive is the same price as a new 360 Arcade and a year of Gold (at $30, which it goes on sale for every 2 months at various retailers). After that first year, OnLive is much more expensive. For me, nothing about OnLive makes it a better option. "

" Lag on singleplayer games? If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore? Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?Huge and constant bandwidth usage? Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price) Less control over my gaming experience? What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers?  Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway? What's not to like? "

I don't really like the idea too much. It seems like they're going for an extremely small niche of people who play games but don't have a console or a gaming grade PC (I have no idea who these people are). Steam might not give me a physical copy, but at least they give me all the game files and let me use mods if I want, not to mention the fact that Steam isn't a subscription service and has excellent sales.

" @Tennmuerti said:

" Lag on singleplayer games? If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore? Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?Huge and constant bandwidth usage? Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price) Less control over my gaming experience? What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers?  Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway? What's not to like? "

Only game I got lag in was Just Cause 2, but it stopped so I'm happy. 
 If you don't use the service for 12 months, then your account is deleted and your purchases void. That's makes sense to me.  
Piracy is rampant, and because OnLive eliminates piracy it chaps a lot of peoples hides that steal games. 
OnLive will do just fine, so don't need to worry about them.  
It's not huge constant bandwidth usage, especially once 480p is supported.  
First year is free, then after that it's $60 for the year. Lets see...$60 for two years? That doesn't equal $150. 
You can control your gaming experience just fine, your visual experience not to much. It's cool though with the controls, as you can seemlessly switch between keyboard or controller at anytime. 
You can't install mods on their servers, but the developers and OnLive themselves can. Ever seen the UT3 PS3 Mod Tools? 
The graphics are pretty much on par with consoles and mid to high range PC.

" @Tennmuerti said:
Nice bullet points. That is it exactly. It's like, they want to market to "gamers" who don't have a good pc or a console but maybe an HD TV or a PC that can play HD video but can afford to spend the same amount (over a longer period of time). First off, if you are already a gamer won't you have at least a console? If they are gamers and don't have a console then how are they going to afford a service that requires a monthly fee and rental purchases? It just doesn't make sense. I can't seem to wrap my head around it. "

Sorry but all my points still stand. "

" I'm surprised to hear all these good things about OnLive. "

oh yeah, OP add me as a friend my name is TwoOneFive on there!!!!

" Lag on singleplayer games? If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore? Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?Huge and constant bandwidth usage? Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price) Less control over my gaming experience? What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers?  Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway? What's not to like? "

First year of OnLive is free then it's $5 a month, which equals out to $60 a year. A new Xbox 360 Arcade is $149 and Xbox Live is $50 a year, thus it's $200 the first year and $50 every year after that. I'm not going to bring up sale prices, and even so it would be $180 instead. "

" @CL60 said:

" I'm surprised to hear all these good things about OnLive. "

why? i dont understand why everyone is so fucking surprised.  they've been doing live demonstrations from the start and have been showing it all working just like it is now and still everyone was doubting it.   i expect jeff to whine about that tinnnnnyyy tiny bit of lag in the controls like its a big deal. fuck that. OnLive is totally worth it. i hope it catches on big time.  "

@Saieno

" @Tennmuerti said:

" Lag on singleplayer games? If I stop paying them, I will not be able to play game I purchased anymore? Additional dependency on internet connection stability? (Ubisoft DRM to the extreme?)Additional dependency on stability of a third party (Onlive) ?Huge and constant bandwidth usage? Expensive service that is equivalent to purchasing a console anyway if I use it for 1-2 years? (on top of standard game price) Less control over my gaming experience? What about mods for games? Oh you mean I can't install mods on their servers?  Shittier graphics then a midrange PC can put out anyway? What's not to like? "

Only game I got lag in was Just Cause 2, but it stopped so I'm happy. 
 If you don't use the service for 12 months, then your account is deleted and your purchases void. That's makes sense to me.  
Piracy is rampant, and because OnLive eliminates piracy it chaps a lot of peoples hides that steal games. 
OnLive will do just fine, so don't need to worry about them.  
It's not huge constant bandwidth usage, especially once 480p is supported.  
First year is free, then after that it's $60 for the year. Lets see...$60 for two years? That doesn't equal $150. 
You can control your gaming experience just fine, your visual experience not to much. It's cool though with the controls, as you can seemlessly switch between keyboard or controller at anytime. 
You can't install mods on their servers, but the developers and OnLive themselves can. Ever seen the UT3 PS3 Mod Tools? 
The graphics are pretty much on par with consoles and mid to high range PC. 
 

@JB16

said:

" Onlive lags on singleplayer games, has no mod support for PC games, mid-range graphics settings, and expects me to pay full price for a game that they'll only support for 3 years!?!?!  Fuck that. "

It's not PC games, it's OnLive games. Each game on the OnLive service has support for controller and keyboard/mouse functionality. And there can be mod support for games, there just isn't at the moment (among other features they are still working on). Now I do agree that paying full price for a game on the service is crazy, but that's not up to OnLive it's up to the publishers. You do have the option of renting games, which I find a lot more bearable.
 The 3 year thing is what gets me though, as it could be taken a few different ways:  
 
1) If the company goes under, then it would still be playable until 2013. 
2) If after a three year period, all of the accounts that have purchased the  game are now inactive, then it will be removed from the servers. 
3) Regardless of who is playing, the game is removed.
 
Numbers 1 and 2 make complete sense and are very fair, in my opinion. Number 3 is what everyone is assuming.
 

@louiedog

said:

" A year of OnLive is the same price as a new 360 Arcade and a year of Gold (at $30, which it goes on sale for every 2 months at various retailers). After that first year, OnLive is much more expensive. For me, nothing about OnLive makes it a better option. "

First year of OnLive is free then it's $5 a month, which equals out to $60 a year. A new Xbox 360 Arcade is $149 and Xbox Live is $50 a year, thus it's $200 the first year and $50 every year after that. I'm not going to bring up sale prices, and even so it would be $180 instead. "

@louiedog

said:

" A year of OnLive is the same price as a new 360 Arcade and a year of Gold (at $30, which it goes on sale for every 2 months at various retailers). After that first year, OnLive is much more expensive. For me, nothing about OnLive makes it a better option. "

First year of OnLive is free then it's $5 a month, which equals out to $60 a year. A new Xbox 360 Arcade is $149 and Xbox Live is $50 a year, thus it's $200 the first year and $50 every year after that. I'm not going to bring up sale prices, and even so it would be $180 instead. "

 As impressive as it is, I just can't support a service that removes your license rights after three years, also the fact you don't actually own the data yourself is a bit jarring.

Lol the amount of bullshit coming out of Saieno now is hilarious.
 
@Saieno said:

Only game I got lag in was Just Cause 2, but it stopped so I'm happy.

If you don't use the service for 12 months, then your account is deleted and your purchases void. That's makes sense to me.

The graphics are pretty much on par with consoles and mid to high range PC.

It's not PC games, it's OnLive games.

And there can be mod support for games, there just isn't at the moment (among other features they are still working on).

If the company goes under, then it would still be playable until 2013.

And when I say OnLive at 720p is equal to a mid/high range PC, that's placing the resolution at 1280x720 on the computer as well. And if you were to play a PC or Console in Standard Definition (That is, a resolution of 640x480), OnLive would look just as good.

I'm used to paying monthly fees for MMOs, and this has a similar need for subscription fees as well. It is connections to a server, much like an MMO is, thus I can understand the need for it. An MMO costs a retail price as well just like the games I want to play on the OnLive service, except I can choose to just rent a game for a few days till I beat it for a much lower price.

The next generation of consoles is coming in the next couple of years, and when that happens OnLive is going to look much more appealing (obviously not to PC gamers with up-to-date $700 rigs). Instead of paying another $500-$600 for the next big console, you could just sub to OnLive and get the same experience.

Dude give me a break. You sound like a PR machine from OnLive, give it a rest with your BS and what you think is fair (when it isn't).

Now you are just being a corporate stooge I see. How is NOT owning the games you bought at all fair?

" @Diamond: He already knows next gen consoles are $500-600? Amazing. "

 
@Saieno said:

If you don't use the service for 12 months, then your account is deleted and your purchases void. That's makes sense to me.

Just lol...  God, imagine if normal games or Steam games disappeared after that time...
 
@Saieno said:

The graphics are pretty much on par with consoles and mid to high range PC.

Untrue and deliberate misinformation.  Partially due to compression and partially due to settings.
 
@Saieno said:

I'm used to paying monthly fees for MMOs, and this has a similar need for subscription fees as well. It is connections to a server, much like an MMO is, thus I can understand the need for it. An MMO costs a retail price as well just like the games I want to play on the OnLive service, except I can choose to just rent a game for a few days till I beat it for a much lower price.

Except these are games that normal people can play without using the internet and spending monthly fees...  You can still rent games at video stores and services like GameFly...
 
@SmAsH said:

Dude give me a break. You sound like a PR machine from OnLive, give it a rest with your BS and what you think is fair (when it isn't).

@Tennmuerti said:

Now you are just being a corporate stooge I see. How is NOT owning the games you bought at all fair?

Dude is the most obvious plant I've ever seen on Giant Bomb.  If the guy isn't receiving money from OnLive already he should be. "

@Saieno

" @Tennmuerti said:

Sorry but all my points still stand. "

You seem to be taking a lot of my direct responses to your points and twisting them to be responses to other points. And when I say OnLive at 720p is equal to a mid/high range PC, that's placing the resolution at 1280x720 on the computer as well. And if you were to play a PC or Console in Standard Definition (That is, a resolution of 640x480), OnLive would look just as good. No youc an't implement your own mods, or other such things, but if that's what you like to do then OnLive obviously isn't for you. Perhaps if I explain my position you'll understand why I don't mind some of what you think are cons.  

@Saieno

The next generation of consoles is coming in the next couple of years, and when that happens OnLive is going to look much more appealing (obviously not to PC gamers with up-to-date $700 rigs). Instead of paying another $500-$600 for the next big console, you could just sub to OnLive and get the same experience. OnLive updates its servers every 6 months with the latest tech it can (or so it says), thus I won't have to update my machine or buy a new console to play all the latest games (that aren't first party to Sony and Microsoft).

 @JB16 said:

" Onlive lags on singleplayer games, has no mod support for PC games, mid-range graphics settings, and expects me to pay full price for a game that they'll only support for 3 years!?!?!  Fuck that. "

It's not PC games, it's OnLive games. Each game on the OnLive service has support for controller and keyboard/mouse functionality. And there can be mod support for games, there just isn't at the moment (among other features they are still working on). Now I do agree that paying full price for a game on the service is crazy, but that's not up to OnLive it's up to the publishers. You do have the option of renting games, which I find a lot more bearable.
 The 3 year thing is what gets me though, as it could be taken a few different ways:  
 
1) If the company goes under, then it would still be playable until 2013. 
2) If after a three year period, all of the accounts that have purchased the  game are now inactive, then it will be removed from the servers. 
3) Regardless of who is playing, the game is removed.
 
Numbers 1 and 2 make complete sense and are very fair, in my opinion. Number 3 is what everyone is assuming.

Now on a console with an HDMI cable the 720p resolution content, even when scaled up to 1080p, will have more clarity because HDMI does not compress content. The same goes for PCs, which can exceed many HD resolution standards with no compressed content. Component cables are more widely used with consoles, and generate 720p HD resolution images, however component cables that are widely used by consumers are analog that inherently have noise. This is why digital signals are favored, as you get the clearest picture possible without any noise or variations in the picture.  
 
You are used to 1080p and HDMI connects, which is fine except you're expecting these same results with a system that doesn't output that. OnLive is equal to an analog component connection at 720p, and I personally think (now this is an opinion) that it does a great job of it.  

Saieno

 Whatever, I have better things to do than explain what OnLive is and correct your false statements. Can't believe all this crap started over a video I make showcasing the service. Obviously any opinion you have on the service is already made, and nothing anyone says will change that. That's fine, whatever, feel like you've won the internet cause I really don't care anymore lmao.  

This is going to wreck havoc with office productivity.

" @bitcloud said:

" @Diamond: He already knows next gen consoles are $500-600? Amazing. "

No I don't, but Xbox 360 started at $400 and PS3 started at $600, so obviously I'm making an assumption. Your willingness to point something so apparent out is amazing...
 

@Diamond

said:   

 

@Saieno

said:

If you don't use the service for 12 months, then your account is deleted and your purchases void. That's makes sense to me.

Just lol...  God, imagine if normal games or Steam games disappeared after that time...
 

@Saieno

said:

The graphics are pretty much on par with consoles and mid to high range PC.

Untrue and deliberate misinformation.  Partially due to compression and partially due to settings.
 

@Saieno

said:

I'm used to paying monthly fees for MMOs, and this has a similar need for subscription fees as well. It is connections to a server, much like an MMO is, thus I can understand the need for it. An MMO costs a retail price as well just like the games I want to play on the OnLive service, except I can choose to just rent a game for a few days till I beat it for a much lower price.

Except these are games that normal people can play without using the internet and spending monthly fees...  You can still rent games at video stores and services like GameFly...
 

@SmAsH

said:

Dude give me a break. You sound like a PR machine from OnLive, give it a rest with your BS and what you think is fair (when it isn't).

@Tennmuerti said:

Now you are just being a corporate stooge I see. How is NOT owning the games you bought at all fair?

Dude is the most obvious plant I've ever seen on Giant Bomb.  If the guy isn't receiving money from OnLive already he should be. "

I think what sets me apart here is that I understand what the OnLive service is for. It's not a replacement for your PC, it's also not a replacement for your console, it's an alternative to those things if you do not own them already. Right now we have opinions clashing with opinions: I think it looks fine you think it looks like shit and that's fine.

Looks great! Shame I can't use it in Europe though!

People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!"

  Jimmy6068 or   Tommy6860, whatever your name is, you can stop posting, really. Not even reading it anymore. I also saw the comments on the review over at the WolfFire Blog, and as I said your mind is already made up. I like the service, it runs great and looks great to me, I'll keep playing on it, and you don't have to so get on with your life.
 
Thanks for the personal support CL60.

Using my free year code right now. Lets see how it is on my 06/07 intel mac. 

"   Jimmy6068 or   Tommy6860, whatever your name is, you can stop posting, really. Not even reading it anymore. I also saw the comments on the review over at the WolfFire Blog, and as I said your mind is already made up. I like the service, it runs great and looks great to me, I'll keep playing on it, and you don't have to so get on with your life. Thanks for the personal support CL60. "

 Thanks for the personal support CL60. "

People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!"

 Did he support you or not, the post is rather confusing as he says something about a "PLANT".   

" @CL60 said:

People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!"

When he blatantly lies about the services and how it works, that's when I'm going to correct him so people aren't deceived into purchasing something they regret. "

" People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!" "

" @CL60 said:

People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!"

When he blatantly lies about the services and how it works, that's when I'm going to correct him so people aren't deceived into purchasing something they regret. "

Imagine if you subscribed to a magazine such as Game Informer or EGM.  You do that for three years, and then you cancel your subscription for a year.  Then you resubscribe to the magazine, and get your first new issue.  Reading it makes you want to read some of your old issues, so you go to where you keep them.  Then you find that you can't read them anymore, because as soon as you didn't pay your magazine subscription for a year, motherfuckers BROKE INTO YOUR DAMN HOUSE and took your shit!  
 
All the magazines that you already paid for are now gone, and if you ever want to read them again, you need to buy each and every one of them a second time.  Oh yeah, and even if you didn't let your subscription lapse, some of those magazines would be gone anyway, because they're three years old and not enough people were reading them anymore.
 
NO THANKS.  This should either be a strictly pay-as-you-go service, or BS situations such as the above shouldn't be allowed to happen.  High speed online gaming service or not, if you pay retail price for a game, you should OWN that game.

" Imagine if you subscribed to a magazine such as Game Informer or EGM.  You do that for three years, and then you cancel your subscription for a year.  Then you resubscribe to the magazine, and get your first new issue.  Reading it makes you want to read some of your old issues, so you go to where you keep them.  Then you find that you can't read them anymore, because as soon as you didn't pay your magazine subscription for a year, motherfuckers BROKE INTO YOUR DAMN HOUSE and took your shit!    All the magazines that you already paid for are now gone, and if you ever want to read them again, you need to buy each and every one of them a second time.  Oh yeah, and even if you didn't let your subscription lapse, some of those magazines would be gone anyway, because they're three years old and not enough people were reading them anymore.  NO THANKS.  This should either be a strictly pay-as-you-go service, or BS situations such as the above shouldn't be allowed to happen.  High speed online gaming service or not, if you pay retail price for a game, you should OWN that game. "

Holy crap SpaceInsomniac, you aren't going to believe this but LEGO Harry Potter just released on the service and it's $20 cheaper than the retail price. Retail sells for $49.99 and OnLive is selling it for $29.99, and I'm playing it right now (just had to buy it for my girlfriend lol). I have to say I'm EXTREMELY happy with that pricing model and hope more of their games follow suit. 

@jams said:

    " @CL60 said:

        " I'm surprised to hear all these good things about OnLive. "

    That's because he's a yupie. It doesn't matter if the tech works or not. The pricing isn't fair for anyone. There are too many better options such as steam for mac which already has support for 100 games, there's the option of buying a console and renting games. You can build a PC with the money you waste "buying" a 3 year pass (that happens to be the same amount as buying the game). It's stupid to think there would be a market for this. I believe it could only be targeted to some one who travels constantly with a laptop and constant high speed internet and it would seem that a person like that doesn't play games anyways. It's a step forward in possibilities and technology, but a step backwards in ease of use, price paid vs. what you get. How anyone could applaud this service beyond the tech, I don't know. "

@jams said:

    What about the monthly cost of high speed internet? You actually have to have one of those devices and they are all already capable of playing games. If you were to already have a capable PC to play those games on, why not just buy the games like Unreal 3 which is 19.99 on Steam right now instead of 19.99 for onlive for what 3 years? And that is if you keep up your monthly subsciption. You get a free year from ATT but is there even a word on what the monthly fee is? It all starts adding up. "

@Diamond said:

    " If you have a great ISP, don't worry about not owning your games and losing the ability to play them, and paying yearly fees to play those games even after you've purchased them...  If you don't mind playing games with the worst possible graphics quality and worst possible controls, then maybe OnLive is for you.  But seriously, I could see it carving out a very low end gaming niche if they can drop the prices. "

@Diamond said:

    " @Astras said:

        The video looks to me like it was created by onlive, for onlive! Saieno seems to be quite defensive about the whole Onlive situation also.... I can hardly believe that the only negative comment the guy in the video made was about his friend who can only play from work....

    He's been going around on a lot of forums and places spreading this video, so yea I'm thinking viral marketer.  The claims he's been making are lots of bullshit in general, too. "

Holy crap  SpaceInsomniac, you aren't going to believe this but LEGO Harry Potter just released on the service and it's $20 cheaper than the retail price. Retail sells for $49.99 and OnLive is selling it for $29.99, and I'm playing it right now (just had to buy it for my girlfriend lol). I have to say I'm EXTREMELY happy with that pricing model and hope more of their games follow suit.

@Dionysus187

If you have a great ISP, don't worry about not owning your games and losing the ability to play them, and paying yearly fees to play those games even after you've purchased them...  If you don't mind playing games with the worst possible graphics quality and worst possible controls, then maybe OnLive is for you.  But seriously, I could see it carving out a very low end gaming niche if they can drop the prices.

Hyperbole isn't best used when trying to refute a technical argument.

@TwoOneFive

@Diamond said:

When he blatantly lies about the services and how it works, that's when I'm going to correct him so people aren't deceived into purchasing something they regret.

ive been playing it and i can assure you, the op doesnt lie about ANYTHING, i completely agree with everything he says...also, ITS FUCKING FREE RIGHT NOW no purchase necessary. wtf is up with all of the negativity!?!?!? there is NOTHING to hate about this at all folks jesus christ!

Hyperbole basically means exaggerated for emphasis or effect. Since its not as bad as you mentioned and are exaggerating for effect, then yes you are talking in hyperbole. nice try though.
 
Also please mark where I said 'lowest end gaming platform' I said they are most likely for people that aren't gamers or have poor rigs for gaming. would call that entry level if anything. I don't see how its not priced to match. Free for year, then a sub, then buy the games. Your literally just paying a small sub, $5 a month ( Source) to play it on just about any computer you want. People pay more for texting and facebook games that have RMT stores.
 
And kudos on telling me to read the forum rules when you broke some of those very rules in this very thread.

" @Saieno said:

Holy crap  SpaceInsomniac, you aren't going to believe this but LEGO Harry Potter just released on the service and it's $20 cheaper than the retail price. Retail sells for $49.99 and OnLive is selling it for $29.99, and I'm playing it right now (just had to buy it for my girlfriend lol). I have to say I'm EXTREMELY happy with that pricing model and hope more of their games follow suit.

Uh, the PC version is $30, not $50.  You could have actually bought a real copy of the game for that same money.  In fact, Amazon would have given you another $10 for a future game purchase and a whole dollar off (yea I know, but still...).
 

 Hyperbole basically means exaggerated for emphasis or effect. Since its not as bad as you mentioned and are exaggerating for effect, then yes you are talking in hyperbole. nice try though.  Also please mark where I said 'lowest end gaming platform' I said they are most likely for people that aren't gamers or have poor rigs for gaming. would call that entry level if anything. I don't see how its not priced to match. Free for year, then a sub, then buy the games. Your literally just paying a small sub to play it on just about any computer you want. People pay more for texting and facebook games that have RMT stores. And kudos on telling me to read the forum rules when you broke some of those very rules in this very thread.

Again, your comparing it to first PC level stuff when its more along the lines of a console. Even then it has massive mobility advantages over a console. You can't otherwise play these games on countless other PC's by paying an extra $5 or any low fee for that matter without OnLive. Your basically presenting a straw man argument. Trying to compare it to best possible scenarios for PC gaming where it obviously loses when they aren't even trying to compete directly with those. Yes if you already have a gaming rig and can access it daily and any time you want to play having no use for its defining features, OnLive would be a waste. And if you owned a Ferrari it would be dumb to rent a Miata to do the same stuff you would otherwise do.
 
As a matter of fact I don't recall anyone touting this as 100% better than simply buying the game 'proper' and playing it on a gaming rig even though they had no use for its ease of entry design.

" @Dionysus187 said:

 Hyperbole basically means exaggerated for emphasis or effect. Since its not as bad as you mentioned and are exaggerating for effect, then yes you are talking in hyperbole. nice try though.  Also please mark where I said 'lowest end gaming platform' I said they are most likely for people that aren't gamers or have poor rigs for gaming. would call that entry level if anything. I don't see how its not priced to match. Free for year, then a sub, then buy the games. Your literally just paying a small sub to play it on just about any computer you want. People pay more for texting and facebook games that have RMT stores. And kudos on telling me to read the forum rules when you broke some of those very rules in this very thread.

I don't see where I exaggerated but if you want to discuss the finer points like that you might as well PM me.  Let's not derail the thread.  It is customary on this forum to advise new users as to the forum rules.  You might want to take a closer look at those rules, as there is no rule against correcting someone who is spreading falsehoods about a product said person seems to be promoting across multiple websites.
 
As far as being priced to match.  I feel that as the OnLive versions of multiplatform titles are decidedly inferior to at least most other versions of the game (I'll give you that if a game gets a Wii version, it can be a step below even OnLive) they should be priced below the other versions.  Not only that but you receive a 3 year license (instead of lifetime) and need to keep playing regular subscription fees to be able to play the game in the future.
 
@Saieno:  That's fine.  I just think our fellow forum dwellers should be aware of the cheaper alternatives. "

" Again, your comparing it to first PC level stuff when its more along the lines of a console. Even then it has massive mobility advantages over a console. You can't otherwise play these games on countless other PC's by paying an extra $5 or any low fee for that matter without OnLive. Your basically presenting a straw man argument. Trying to compare it to best possible scenarios for PC gaming where it obviously loses when they aren't even trying to compete directly with those. Yes if you already have a gaming rig and can access it daily and any time you want to play having no use for its defining features, OnLive would be a waste. And if you owned a Ferrari it would be dumb to rent a Miata to do the same stuff you would otherwise do. As a matter of fact I don't recall anyone touting this as 100% better than simply buying the game 'proper' and playing it on a gaming rig even though they had no use for its ease of entry design. "

With my awesome Australian internet I might be able to run this for half an hour before blowing my download limit

" @Dionysus187 said:

" Again, your comparing it to first PC level stuff when its more along the lines of a console. Even then it has massive mobility advantages over a console. You can't otherwise play these games on countless other PC's by paying an extra $5 or any low fee for that matter without OnLive. Your basically presenting a straw man argument. Trying to compare it to best possible scenarios for PC gaming where it obviously loses when they aren't even trying to compete directly with those. Yes if you already have a gaming rig and can access it daily and any time you want to play having no use for its defining features, OnLive would be a waste. And if you owned a Ferrari it would be dumb to rent a Miata to do the same stuff you would otherwise do. As a matter of fact I don't recall anyone touting this as 100% better than simply buying the game 'proper' and playing it on a gaming rig even though they had no use for its ease of entry design. "

Careful Dionysus187, they might think you're a viral marketer, cooperate stooge, or plant for OnLive... "