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Serious question for pro gamersgate people: what has the movement accomplished that you are proud of? What have been the wins?

We just went through a steam discoverability proto-scandal and I didn't see much rage at popular youtubers there. Same with shadows of mordor and IGN. Shouldn't you be rallying around a scandal besides ones that happen to involve female game devs or people who disagree with you?

Why isn't there clamor to cover all the GG good works?

If someone can link me anything to do with GamerGate exposing corruption that does not involve female indie devs I will genuinely read it and give it my full attention.

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I was going to write a long essay about how and why I was cancelling my subscription, but this is already past page 15 and even if someone reads it, it'll just be banned if it disagrees too harshly with the collective opinion of the moderators, regardless of how civil I am.

Sorry dude, but that is completely false and has never happened. You are free to openly give your opinion. I for one am interested in why you would cancel. Don't assume no one is going to listen to you.

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@noxious said:

@rorie said:

@sinistarlives said:

On the other hand, Patrick's description of Gamergate reeks of someone who is trying desperately to appear diplomatic, but clearly has no real desire to to make any inroads towards understanding the movement's actual concerns or interests.

Can you summarize those concerns or interests?

I thought Patrick was the journalist?

I am going to stop you there in an attempt to re-direct the flow of conversation and ask you a quesiton. What defines a journalist in your eyes? I don't think Patrick even considers himself a "journalist" per se.

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@splodge: Please don't become upset. I will re clarify:

There is a giant difference between your run-of-the-mill women-hating misogynist and a group of people who's sole desire is to cause anguish and fear in a random internet stranger's heart.

Yes, you are right. I am not really becoming upset, just trying to express how I feel about the futility of all this talk. Does it matter? What the hell are we even talking about? What does this pseudo-philisophical train of thought even offer us? No one is going to change their minds. No one. Everyone at the end of this topic will end up even more entrenched in what they believe.

I think the internet is probably the worst place to have this kind of conversation, but I come from a place where if you have a problem with someone you confront them head on and talk to them about it, in person. Until we have an internet equivalent of face to face conversation I don't believe anything will be solved by thousands of users arguing in circles over and over and over and over. No one really seems to listen and it is immensely frustrating.

Sometimes I browse the science sub-reddit on reddit and I just wish that every person on the internet could talk to each other in the respectful, logical and open minded way that they do. But it is never going to happen.

This might seem like sci-fi wankery but I really do think that when VR becomes a mainstream activity, and if online mmo chat rooms / second life style interaction becomes a real thing, there will be a massive retro-grade culture shock when people realise they are once again recognizable and accountable for what they say and do.

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Jesus, I have had it with this topic completely, in all its forms. This is the problem with arguing on the internet. Arguments in text form can be picked apart endlessly, for ever and ever by both sides. You can ignore 95% of a statement, focus on the 5% and then offer 120% proof in return. The opposing side can take 5% of that, and offer another 50% proof in return, or whatever arbitrary amount they feel like copy pasting / regurgitating / come up with on the spot. So on and so on and so on until everyone ends up where they began but even angrier.

You know how these arguments are ACTUALLY solved, in reality? People meet face to face and speak to each other. They realize when looking into another person's eyes the truth of their convictions and how they really feel. They EMPATHIZE. Empathy is non-existent on the internet. Until they invent that machine from Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep I am staying well the fuck out of this because holy shit I think I will actually split an intestine.

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@splodge said:

@icarusfoundyou said:

@mikelemmer said:

The problem is it isn't an isolated psychopath; it's a group of he-man woman-haters who realized they can get away with this and are encouraging each other to do it.

I would like to know how confident you are about that statement. How sure are you that this is not a group of psychopaths capitalizing on a current situation?

He said it is not an isolated individual, but a group. That's exactly what he said.

He said it's a group of "he-man woman-haters". I'm saying how can he be sure it's not a group of internet psychopaths?

You don't equate "he-man woman haters" to "internet psychopaths?". These kind of pedantics offer nothing.

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@mikelemmer said:

The problem is it isn't an isolated psychopath; it's a group of he-man woman-haters who realized they can get away with this and are encouraging each other to do it.

I would like to know how confident you are about that statement. How sure are you that this is not a group of psychopaths capitalizing on a current situation?

He said it is not an isolated individual, but a group. That's exactly what he said.

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I dont know if this is what you are looking for, but as a child I played Breath of Fire III obsessively on the Playstation. There was a period of time post final fantasy 8 where there was NOTHING for a poor lad with no money in the middle of nowhere to play. A gift of a bunch of games from a cousin led me to this gem.

Honestly, it's the best JRPG I have ever played outside of the Final Fantasy series, and it still holds up. There is a serious amount of depth in the combat that I only appreciated when I got older.

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#9  Edited By splodge

@branthog said:

@amyggen said:

@gregorygold said:

“No person should be excluded from our site. The fact that some people have been resistant to people based on their gender, religion, race, creed, or anything else like that is not acceptable. Even less acceptable are people who make their exclusionary beliefs known (repeatedly and often aggressively) and then attempt to say that those viewpoints are valid and, thus, must be allowed for us to remain inclusionary. That is bad logic.”

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Jeff Gerstmann

Yup.

We must have an amazing moderation team, then, because I've never seen anyone around here telling someone they can't be on GB because of their gender or race. GB has every race, nationality, religion, and even transgendered people that are not only here participating, but are engaged in rather interesting conversations. I have to assume this is true, though, because one certainly wouldn't want to cast aspersions on their own audience and site unless they were true. :/

Plus, I was oblivious to the level of vitriol Patrick was subjected to after the passing of his father and felt like I'd been punched in the gut when someone shared some of the pre-deleted statements with me at a later time. Granted, I don't think any of those people were really GB people so much as they were people that came and made an account at GB at an opportunistic time during which to extract the most pain from another human being, but...

In reference to the mod team, I think they are indeed quite amazing. I have caught a glimpse of topics that were deleted almost instantly (I spend a stupid amount of time on these forums) and yes, they do amazing work. I don't think we appreciate fully what it takes to keep a website where anyone can sign up clean and friendly.

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@poser said:

@patrickklepek said:

@splodge said:

Good article Patrick. A tad too late tho, Brianna already called out GB on MSNBC for doing nothing :(

We can always do better. Always. That's life.

Maybe she had NoPat turned on.

OK I genuinely LoL'd, haha thank you sir!