" I don't think the Hz of the TV would make any difference, would it? Games are usually meant to be played in 60 Hz but I thought that Hz meant the smoothness of the screen, not the delivery time of the image "

" As a matter of fact, my fucking truck actually handles like that lag the OP was bitching about. I no longer see a problem. "

Damn.  I say fuck that and get Hot Pursuit.

" @keyhunter said:

" As a matter of fact, my fucking truck actually handles like that lag the OP was bitching about. I no longer see a problem. "

I hope you're joking.  Are you saying you control the wheel in your truck via rubber bands?

EDIT: Your talk about refresh rate is utter nonsense.  60Hz refresh rate translates to 16.7 millisecond lag.

"

" so is the delay due to the driving animation or does it actually affect the racing?

That's the one thing these vids aren't showing me.

"

" @KingWilly said:

" so is the delay due to the driving animation or does it actually affect the racing?

That's the one thing these vids aren't showing me.

"

This. 

Are you people complaining about animation or actual play. If you zoom out to behind the car view do you even notice this "lag"?

I have played no version of this game, but too me steering wheels on real cars do not turn near as fast as steering wheel controllers. Any chance this is them trying to compensate? 

"

" @Atramentous said:

" @KingWilly said:

" so is the delay due to the driving animation or does it actually affect the racing?

That's the one thing these vids aren't showing me.

"

This. 

Are you people complaining about animation or actual play. If you zoom out to behind the car view do you even notice this "lag"?

I have played no version of this game, but too me steering wheels on real cars do not turn near as fast as steering wheel controllers. Any chance this is them trying to compensate? 

"

The lag is there, It might be some sort of gameplay gimmick, but it's really fucking stupid, Maybe it inserts some sort of "Reaction time" thing, but it's just not good. "

" @KingWilly said:

" so is the delay due to the driving animation or does it actually affect the racing?

That's the one thing these vids aren't showing me.

"

This. 

Are you people complaining about animation or actual play. If you zoom out to behind the car view do you even notice this "lag"?

I have played no version of this game, but too me steering wheels on real cars do not turn near as fast as steering wheel controllers. Any chance this is them trying to compensate? 

"

" @Atramentous said:

" @KingWilly said:

" so is the delay due to the driving animation or does it actually affect the racing?

That's the one thing these vids aren't showing me.

"

This. 

Are you people complaining about animation or actual play. If you zoom out to behind the car view do you even notice this "lag"?

I have played no version of this game, but too me steering wheels on real cars do not turn near as fast as steering wheel controllers. Any chance this is them trying to compensate? 

"

This what, man?  How many times do I have to repost the same videos for you infidels? :-(  T_T  This is such a chore...

  

  

"

You only have to show it once if its relevant. All the video in this thread that I have watched is cars sitting still or barely moving at all. Perhaps I missed a video were this was demonstrated at speed? Care to enlighten me?
If I go outside right now and start my car and jam the wheel to the left going while only going 2mph its not going to start doing donuts on me.
"

" @Atramentous said:

You only have to show it once if its relevant. All the video in this thread that I have watched is cars sitting still or barely moving at all. Perhaps I missed a video were this was demonstrated at speed? Care to enlighten me?
If I go outside right now and start my car and jam the wheel to the left going while only going 2mph its not going to start doing donuts on me.
"

You've got to be shitting me.  Have you heard of the "moving the goalpost"?  

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

"

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Atramentous said:

You only have to show it once if its relevant. All the video in this thread that I have watched is cars sitting still or barely moving at all. Perhaps I missed a video were this was demonstrated at speed? Care to enlighten me?
If I go outside right now and start my car and jam the wheel to the left going while only going 2mph its not going to start doing donuts on me.
"

You've got to be shitting me.  Have you heard of the "moving the goalpost"?  
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
"

Didn't need the link but thanks anyways =)

" @Atramentous said:

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Atramentous said:

You only have to show it once if its relevant. All the video in this thread that I have watched is cars sitting still or barely moving at all. Perhaps I missed a video were this was demonstrated at speed? Care to enlighten me?
If I go outside right now and start my car and jam the wheel to the left going while only going 2mph its not going to start doing donuts on me.
"

You've got to be shitting me.  Have you heard of the "moving the goalpost"?  
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
"

Didn't need the link but thanks anyways =)

You should click it.  ...also, do you want me to find you a video with the guy driving at 88mph in a DeLorean, while the player stands on one leg and chants during a fool moon?!  You gotta be specific about these things, beforehand. "

Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong.

" @GravityProof said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @GravityProof:  Just more proof that you love to hear the sound of your own voice.  Give up already.  It's really boring hearing you reiterate the same bullshit line of thinking just because you can't back down.  You've worked in retail.  OH YOU'RE SO QUALIFIED.  Please show me how a 1 in 6 defect rate wouldn't ever equate to a product recall OR patch.  It's funny how you ignore the patch comment and take my example to the most extreme position possible.  I've worked as a games journalist and managed 3 retail stores at the same time, I've even sent boxes back on pallets CAUSING product recalls and this was back the mid 90s when manufacturers didn't have to live up to any sorts of standards beyond "does the disk load?".  Retailers and e-tailers who are interested in continued and repeat custom will respond to what their customers say.  In any case, your argument is still is broken as it was when you started this laughable exercise in caveat emptor and I told you so waffle.  Your solution is ridiculous and demands that consumers hang on the whims of the gaming press and offers no recourse or empowerment at all.  I must reiterate that you're a waffling egotistcal pseudo-intellectual who prefers an argument of semantics than a solution grounded in self empowering reality.  Unless you own this game or have any interest in it, please kindly fuck off.  "

So you're a games journalist who doesn't trust gamers to be well served by games journalists? At least I know you're taking yourself as seriously as I am. You sound like just the man I'd want as a consumer advocate. 

As an addendum: Many times, a 1 in 6 defect rate wouldn't equate to a recall of goods, as a recall precludes a distributor (or publisher, in my analogy) from making any earnings on that batch of products. In most cases, it would cost significantly less to refund customers (+ a goodwill bonus of say, 20%) who purchased the defective units than it would to recall, test, and repackage, or maybe even destroy the units in question. Even if a company only saw half of their projected returns on a product, it would be more revenue generated than if they pursued a recall. I made this point to illustrate that, since games are made on budgets and deadlines, it makes sense for a developer to focus their limited attentions on where the biggest chunk of the profits lie, to try and get what they can of what they may know will be a flawed product. My argument said nothing pertaining to patching the game after release, and I'm sorry if you didn't comprehend that.

I don't have an interest in this game, but it's not a conversation if everyone is saying the same thing, so I would contend that I've provided a valuable counter-point to the one sided complaining that came before. But we've clearly reached an impasse here, and so I shall proffer no more constructive and critical opinions. The ones that follow are destructive, inflammatory, and though I feel warranted, definitely fall into the 'trolling' category. 

I won't deny that I have enjoyed arguing with you. Really enjoyed it, actually. I enjoy imagining the sweat building up on your keyboard and your eyes bulging out as you have to restrain yourself from screaming at the monitor, I like imagining that you're stewing in your own contemptuous rage behind a desk in your bedroom or cubicle because you don't have more important things in your life to distract you from this insignificant tete-a-tete, and most of all I love knowing that for all your hatred of my pretentious and opulent verbosity you've poured over every word I've written in response. It's the little things. 

So now that we've both devalued this conversation by hurling personal insults at each other, I shall 'kindly fuck off'. I surrender, cowboy, and promise to allow whatever slanderous and stinging barbs you hurl at me go unquestioned forever in the annals of internet history. Happy weekend!

"

It took you two pages of egomanical rambling where you said the same thing over and over in more and more florid language at each turn for you finally walk away.  You're not interested in having a conversation, your only interest in this has been to joust and win with someone who you perceive to be of threat.  You're a fool as well as being an egotist while at the same time you're an admitted troll.  I haven't enjoyed dialoguing with you one bit; I find it particularly difficult to enjoy conversation and/or discussion with people who continually condescend as they speak to me.  This is of special annoyance when that condescension has no basis at all in reality and is merely a device of that person's wounded and fragile ego, as is the case in this contrivance of conversation with you.  At least you finally fucked off.  There's that. "

" Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong. "

I will take that as a no then. 

Anyone else on here that can read and type care to explain to me if this game only has "lag" when you are stationary or traveling at a speed the game was not balanced around you driving at?

"

" @xyzygy said:

" Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong. "

How come Jeff and Ryan didn't use cockpit view?  How come Jeff's driving was terrible? "

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @xyzygy said:

" Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong. "

How come Jeff and Ryan didn't use cockpit view?  How come Jeff's driving was terrible? "

I honestly think they only played this on the 360 and i don't think jeff is a very good driver for racing games anyway >.> But who knows, I wont buy this and will hope for GT5 to someday get a magical patch for realistic damage and more then a simple carwash as customization on looks. "

now that video is awesome, but only that >.>

" @xyzygy said:

" Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong. "

How come Jeff and Ryan didn't use cockpit view?  How come Jeff's driving was terrible? "

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @xyzygy said:

" Howcome the quicklook didn't mention anything about this so called lag? The videos in this thread make it look terrible but the GB guys play as if nothing is wrong. "

How come Jeff and Ryan didn't use cockpit view?  How come Jeff's driving was terrible? "

Don't really understand what that has to do with the lag and them noticing it or not... 
But 1. Bumper cam is far superior and 2. Jeff might not be the best at driving games. Just because he's a journalist doesn't mean he has to be awesome at them.
"

"
But, I don't really think it would take a field expert to notice lag. Input lag is usually pretty easy to notice, especially when it's as bad as it is in those videos you posted.

"

Its what you get for per-orders or day of purchase, sites like GB aren't only here for marketing. Research before purchase next time, you've learned your lesson. Also wasn't this game marketed as a arcade/very little sim blend?

" Its what you get for per-orders or day of purchase, sites like GB aren't only here for marketing. Research before purchase next time, you've learned your lesson. Also wasn't this game marketed as a arcade/very little sim blend? "

" @Atramentous said:

I will take that as a no then. 

Anyone else on here that can read and type care to explain to me if this game only has "lag" when you are stationary or traveling at a speed the game was not balanced around you driving at?

"

I highly recommend you buy this game.  You deserve it. "

I think the game feels fine. The AI is a bit zombie-ish though.

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

" @Atramentous said:

I will take that as a no then. 
Anyone else on here that can read and type care to explain to me if this game only has "lag" when you are stationary or traveling at a speed the game was not balanced around you driving at?
"

I highly recommend you buy this game.  You deserve it. "

Do you have a video of what was requested? It shouldn't be hard for you to find one, so bring it here. I find it odd that you're being so evasive. "