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Quick Look: Dragon Age II

Dragons? Check. Blood? Check. Keeping your cool while surrounded by dragons and covered in blood? Check.

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Mar. 9 2011

Cast: Dave, Ryan, Vinny

Posted by: Vinny

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Dragon Age II

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Well I didn't know that Merrill's looks were randomly generated - or maybe all the characters are? In my game only Merrill looks different (besides the main character).

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Dragon age 1 quicklook: This looks sweet 
 
Dragon age 2 quicklook: are they serious?

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The last 3 mins of this quick look are so awesome

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The first game featured performances from both Kate Mulgrew and Tim Russ.  Do any cast members from Voyager show up in this sequel?

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an hour, wow

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So I played the first DA on my friends ps3 and It did not seem to interest me much but i did only play maybe and hour or so. Would getting DA2 be worth it since number 1 never got me hooked? If i did buy it would be for computer and not console.

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Do Americans really have that much trouble telling Scottish and Irish accents apart? Them there elves are meant to sound Irish and Welsh.

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@Teclo said:
" @Jazz said:
" wait..so the Dalish are welsh? Does that mean Tom Jones is going to be making a cameo? Anyway, that....makes no sense. Shouldn't they, if anything, be Irish? The Welsh are hardly known for being Elfin. That's like making a Scottish pixie. It's just..odd.  Perhaps i'm over thinking this. "
Actually, if I remember correctly, the elven names and language in Middle Earth were all based on Welsh. Think of all the "th" and "w" sounds in there. Leprechauns are the famous Irish "elves" and they're nothing like the Tolkien take on elves that has become the standard in fantasy stuff ever since (before him, they were just little fairies that lives in toadstools etc). "
That's not entirely true. If you want an Irish elf equivalent, you'll want the Tuatha de Danann, who were pretty much Tolkienesque elves.  Leprechauns are meant to nothing more than the degenerate descendants of some of the  Tuatha de Danann, mere lone shadows of their ancestors. Those whose descendants didn't become  leprechauns faded away much like Tolkien's elves eventually did, or mixed with the newer settlers who'd defeated them.  Leabhar Gabhála na hÉireann (the best known text on the mytho-historical invasions of Ireland) disagrees with a few things I've written, but that's primarily because it tries (awkwardly, frankly) to fit Irish mythology in with the Judeo-Christian mythos.

In folklore, elfs were originally more like Tolkien's conception of them; it's only in modern and early-modern times that they degenerated to being little more than mere pixies.
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@kunoh said:
" Well I didn't know that Merrill's looks were randomly generated - or maybe all the characters are? In my game only Merrill looks different (besides the main character). "
Their looks are derived based on how you design your hawke.
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@talideon said:
" Do Americans really have that much trouble telling Scottish and Irish accents apart? Them there elves are meant to sound Irish and Welsh. "
Maybe we do, but how easily can you distinguish a Texas accent from a Southern drawl?  You probably can identify them when they're exaggerated, but take an accent like Brad's - he has a fairly mild Southern accent, and could pass for a Texan to most people who aren't from either area.  But, he would get the, "yer not from 'round here, are ya, boy?" look before he finished his first sentence in my hometown (for the record, everyone would be friendly, but he would still get the look).  
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I was surprised to see that the shadows looked terrible on both versions, a rather low res shadowmap and the real time shadow stuff getting drawn on top of it in a really odd unnatural way, I didn't expect to see that in a game so 'late' in this generation.

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@pavakah:  I could, as a general rule, because we get exposed to an awful lot of American TV here, and the accents can be quite distinct. I can tell somebody from Oklahoma from somebody from Texas because their accents are quite similar, but I could, with reasonable accuracy, tell somebody from the South from somebody from Texas, or from southern Louisiana, or from southern Florida. Of course, there's no way to be totally accurate as accents have a tendency to blend into one another. I do have an advantage over most in this regard though: linguistics is a long-time hobby of mine, but even then they're distinct enough accents that I'd be surprised if most people from this neck of the woods couldn't tell them apart if they thought about it for a bit. 
  
General Welsh, Scottish and Irish accents are quite distinct from one another, even without requiring any kind of exaggeration. What can be difficult is that some Welsh people sound pretty much English if they're from east Wales. Without going back to watch the quick look, I can tell you that of the Dalish Elves whose voices I can remember, Merrill has a strong south Wales accent, and thus sounds almost stereotypically Welsh, and she   would given Eve Myles is using her own accent. The Dalish Keeper has a general Irish accent similar to my own, and the Dalish elf who they party meet when they leave the camp has a very strong East Leinster (Dublin and Wickow) accent, which is likely why one of the earlier commenter thought he sounded like Atlas[1] from Bioshock, who'd the same accent. It was quite nice to hear voice acting where the accents were done properly by people who know them, and it wasn't just somebody from North American mangling it badly as usually happens. Accent mangling is a particular sore point for Irish people! 
 
If I was to give a comparison, a Scottish accent is about as close to and Irish accent as the South Boston accent is to the stereotypical New York accent - there's certain similarities (such as non-rhotacism), but they're difficult to confuse.
 
Sorry for the ramble! 

[1] Atlas' accent was pretty decent, not perfect, but pretty close to the real thing. The most jarring things (such as the use of certain americanisms an Irish person would never use, and the use of 'boyo') were mainly, intentionally or unintentionally, down to the writing.
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@Mezmero: As you probably know by now, Kate Mulgrew still voices Flemeth in DA2 - I'm still hoping to find Russ or Picardo or even Wang! 
 -- 

And while the Elves in this game might resemble the Na'vi, the Na'vi were a rip off of elves in the first place.
Heck the Dalish look more like a high-res and (slightly) prettified Dunmer from TES: Morrowind.
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@talideon:  Thats the thing we don't hear such accents very often here  so we have no real ability to tell the difference or any realistic expectation to do so. 
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Late to the party, but Dave Snider is my new hero.
 
The sole purpose being that he brought up Farscape during this quick look.  FUCK YES DAVE!!!  Farscape was the greatest TV show in the history of everything.  EVERYTHING!!!!!

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I'm a wizard and this shit looks watered down.

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Reeeeeeal Busy ;)

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@TrueEnglishGent said:
"Still unsure about getting this.   The voice actress for the young Elf sounds very very familiar put can't put a name to it.  "

Gwen from Torchwood/Doctor Who. Apparantly.
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@Shirogane: You're absolutely correct. The elf is the actress who plays Gwen in Torchwood, which is set in Cardiff.
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I used to live in Wales, and those character voices are effed up.

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You've got red on you

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I fucking hate the conversation wheel/voiced: your character always says something-mildly-similar-to-but-not-quite what you select. In DA1, it was much more classic-RPG style, and I loved it. It seems kind of like they turned Dragon Age into Mass Effect because they realized how many people loved ME2. ME2 is a great game, but it's not what I come to Dragon Age for. 
 
Of course, I haven't played it yet, these are just my observations of the quick look.

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@Skillface said:
"I fucking hate the conversation wheel/voiced: your character always says something-mildly-similar-to-but-not-quite what you select. In DA1, it was much more classic-RPG style, and I loved it. It seems kind of like they turned Dragon Age into Mass Effect because they realized how many people loved ME2. ME2 is a great game, but it's not what I come to Dragon Age for.  Of course, I haven't played it yet, these are just my observations of the quick look. "

DAO outsold ME2.
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  She is Welsh, the rest of the Elves are Irish. Why there is one Elf with a Welsh accent in a community full of Irish accents I am yet to determine.  Then again the Irish Elves have accents from all over the freaking country.

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@RVonE said:
" @Skillface said:
"I fucking hate the conversation wheel/voiced: your character always says something-mildly-similar-to-but-not-quite what you select. In DA1, it was much more classic-RPG style, and I loved it. It seems kind of like they turned Dragon Age into Mass Effect because they realized how many people loved ME2. ME2 is a great game, but it's not what I come to Dragon Age for.  Of course, I haven't played it yet, these are just my observations of the quick look. "
DAO outsold ME2. "
Wow, is that true? Everyone has been treating DA:O as something of a fringe traditional CRPG that is of little interest to anybody who didn't love the Infinity engine era of PC-RPG's, and sold accordingly, while Mass Effect are BioWare's magnum opuses and smash hit that everybody and their grandma have been playing.
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@fisk0 said:
" @RVonE said:
" @Skillface said:
"I fucking hate the conversation wheel/voiced: your character always says something-mildly-similar-to-but-not-quite what you select. In DA1, it was much more classic-RPG style, and I loved it. It seems kind of like they turned Dragon Age into Mass Effect because they realized how many people loved ME2. ME2 is a great game, but it's not what I come to Dragon Age for.  Of course, I haven't played it yet, these are just my observations of the quick look. "
DAO outsold ME2. "
Wow, is that true? Everyone has been treating DA:O as something of a fringe traditional CRPG that is of little interest to anybody who didn't love the Infinity engine era of PC-RPG's, and sold accordingly, while Mass Effect are BioWare's magnum opuses and smash hit that everybody and their grandma have been playing. "

I can't pull the original article I read that in right now, but vgchartz.com gives at least a very good indication. 
DAO sold 2.06 million on x360 and 1.18 million on PS3. 
ME2 sold 2.38 million on x360 and 0.28 million on PS3 (of course, this number is still climbing). 
PC sales aren't mentioned on that site, but DAO was developed with the pc as lead platform. Also, this IGN article from early 2010 mentions that total shipped copies for DAO are 3.2 million. This was before the DAO Ultimate Edition was released. 
Whatever the exact numbers, despite popular perception portraying DAO as a niche game, it really isn't. It goes toe-to-toe with ME2.
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As with the last Dragon Age game, I can still use the same comment. 
 
You got red on you.

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Really enjoying the game so far. But the engine is really, really showing its age.

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@Branthog said:

" So is the PC version in this quick look actually using the PC high res textures? (That you have to login to their website and then download and then install, in order to use.) "

Vinny says he downloaded it.
 
Also, that Deep Mushroom talk made me laugh, great stuff.
"What if you are the mushroom". Heh.
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They have taken dumbing down to a new level. Congrats, BioWare... and also... WHY, GODDAMN, WHY!?

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@MarkDarkness:  What, you mean your teammates having their own unique armor? You think DA2 is the first game to do that?
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Why is there an elf with a Jamaican accent?

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@InternetDetective said:
" Why is there an elf with a Jamaican accent? "
If you're talking about the Dalish, it's meant to be Welsh.
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WHERE THE EFF IS MY REVIEW!!??

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Rewatching old QLs. Is this normal?

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@ThatDuckGuy: It certainly is, at least for cool people.

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Still haven't had the chance to play this game!

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@ThatDuckGuy: It is when you are looking to buy DA1/2 :D

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@ThatDuckGuy: yes

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@silock: have you had the chance yet