Dropped Ryu Design

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#1 Edited by Linkyshinks (9881 posts) -
#2 Posted by TheGremp (2064 posts) -

Eh, I'm glad they passed on it.  The version they went with is much easier on the eyes.

#3 Posted by trophyhunter (5800 posts) -

I wish they would completely redesign all the characters.

#4 Posted by JJOR64 (18907 posts) -

That Ryu is fucking ugly.

#5 Posted by ScrappyDoo (49 posts) -
#6 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -
@TheGremp said:
" Eh, I'm glad they passed on it.  The version they went with is much easier on the eyes. "
thanks for pointing out your subconsious bias against Asians to tthe rest of us.
#7 Posted by GunnBjorn (2911 posts) -

Correct. 
Pretty much all the charachters in SFIV they nailed perfectly. 
I was/still am disappointed with Ryu's design. 
He's japanese, make him look like one, dammit!
#8 Posted by Rayfield (2097 posts) -

THE ANSWER LIES IN THE HEART OF BATTLE BRAH
#9 Posted by gla55jAw (2686 posts) -

I like that a lot. I absolutley hate the Ken and Ryu designs.
#10 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -

Ken looks weirder to me than Ryu.

#11 Posted by TheGremp (2064 posts) -
@StaticFalconar said:
" @TheGremp said:
" Eh, I'm glad they passed on it.  The version they went with is much easier on the eyes. "
thanks for pointing out your subconsious bias against Asians to tthe rest of us. "
Dude, what?  That's not Asian...  Just straight up terrifying.  If they were going for the look of an Asian man with this Ryu, they did a horrible job.  If they were going for a caricatured, angry cartoon man, then they hit the target perfectly. 
#12 Posted by Rayfield (2097 posts) -
@TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "

What the...
#13 Posted by Driadon (2995 posts) -

I wish they would have opted for that other design. Reminds me of the style they had for the animated Street Fighter 2 movie, which I liked a lot.

#14 Posted by Themanohall (397 posts) -

I don't know, I guess I'm in the minority when I say I love the Ryu design they have now, Ken is the one that really messes with me.

#15 Posted by Rayfield (2097 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "

The 1950s - the time when 'oriental' was last used to describe people who come from Asia.
#16 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -
@Themanohall said:
" I don't know, I guess I'm in the minority when I say I love the Ryu design they have now, Ken is the one that really messes with me. "
Ken's isn't so bad if he's just posing and stuff right before a srk, but his winning animation of kissy faces shadow boxing just gets under my skin
#17 Posted by Themanohall (397 posts) -
@Rayfield said:
" @Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
The 1950s - the time when 'oriental' was last used to describe people who come from Asia. "
Ramen begs to differ.
 Yum.
#18 Posted by demontium (4707 posts) -
@Linkyshinks: You kinda chose a bad photo, but I see your point.
#19 Edited by funcmode (138 posts) -

none of them look asian.  
 
also, no-one should care about this.

#20 Posted by Symphony (1912 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" I personally prefer Japanese characters, to look Japanese. The current Ryu looks like he's of Eastern European origin.  "
I'm guessing you don't like most anime then ;P Japanese high-school students looking Japanese? Perish the thought!
 
But yeah, Ryu does look a bit off... but so do many of the characters... Sakura looks about as Japanese as Ryu does, too.
#21 Posted by xyzygy (9892 posts) -

I actually prefer that Ryu. Looks less like a meathead.

#22 Posted by Apathylad (3066 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" Game director Toshiyuki Kamei has revealed a Ryu design that never made it, over on the official Super Street Fighter 4 Blog. I think it looks far better than the Westernised character model(s) they did opt for in the end. It has a distinctly Japanese look about it, It reminds me of his Tatsunoko version:  
 

Yeah, it does remind me a lot of the Tatsunoko vs. Capcom model. I do find the chin larger then normal in the bottom right drawing, but I do like the more Japanese look Ryu has.
#23 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:

" @Linkyshinks said:

" @Rayfield said:

" @TinaWood said:

" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
The 1950s - the time when 'oriental' was last used to describe people who come from Asia. "
 
She was perfectly right in her usage of the word - the word primarily relates to Eastern Asia, a place where people have such eyes. If she said "Asian eyes"  that would be the wrong word to use, given the fact Asia is vast and has many peoples who don't have such distinctive eyes.  The word's age has no bearing on it's usage today, it's still used by many around the world, especially those of Latin extraction, which she is. Just because it's not a word you choose to use, doesn't make it a word isn't often used by others around the world. 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient     
 
 

"
And in the current US census, under the category of race there is still the option for identifying yourself as Negro, even though that term is way overdue.
#24 Posted by HandsomeDead (11863 posts) -

I really do think that Street Fighter IV is one of the ugliest games ever produced. That art style is rancid.

#25 Edited by lordofultima (6208 posts) -

As the blog says, those designs just look awful with 3d models. They made the right choice, exaggerated everything makes sense to me. Ryu has never looked Japanese, I think this is what people fail to realize. No one has looked like their origin country in Street Fighter. Tatsunoko version doesn't look Asian either, you're mad.

#26 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @HandsomeDead said:
" I really do think that Street Fighter IV is one of the ugliest games ever produced. That art style is rancid. "

Same here, it doesn't mean I don't like the game though.  
 
Capcom thought they could get more take up in the West if they depicted characters in a slightly more Western style. Who can know if it had that effect when there was no other option given. 
  
Capcom are wrong to think Western gamers prefer a more Western styled game, they fail to realise that the majority of Capcom fighting fans really appreciate the Japanese style a great deal. "
Eh, I think SF4 looks fantastic, and will probably stand the test of time because of the direction they went. They explained why they went with the style, bulkier over-exaggerated characters suited the 3D models better.
#27 Edited by Linkyshinks (9881 posts) -
@lordofultima:  
  
That's what the company line was, in light of Japanese reaction, but everyone knows the real reason behind the decision - it was thought that it would appeal more Western users, which it may well have done in the US.  
 
The size of models would have made little to no difference, why should they?. How do bulkier 3D models look better within a 2.5D environment, than a thinner ones?.  If it relates to being able to see expressions, then that's rubbish given the ability of a sweeping camera to zoom in at will.  
 
When the first images of the game hit, (- and people around the world were shocked and horrified) 1UP magazine naturally asked about the games shift in style, Ono told them that Capcom were looking to appeal to wider audience with the new game, hence the merging of art styles which saw a more western focused style appear. 1UP staff said it reminded them of the US Street Fighter 2 Super Nintendo box art, and asked if there was as any connection. 
 

Street Fighter 2 NA Box Art
On the evidence of a recent thread of mine on Capcom Unity, the majority of Capcom fans appreciate the Japanese style more to the Western style, and to Udon's.  
 
Capcom won't be pulling that same line when Darkstalkers 4 hits. with svelte 3D models high in Japanese style akin to Juri's model in Super.      
#28 Posted by Lestater (394 posts) -

Looks like he had stroke and his muscles never fully recovered.

#29 Edited by lordofultima (6208 posts) -
@Linkyshinks: It just sounds like you don't like the models, and I do. That elongated post doesn't really change this. It's like World of Warcraft, the models are exaggerated and cartoony, it makes the game look better. Udon art almost ALWAYS looks like shit to be honest, let's not even bring that ass up. Street Fighter has always been Americanized, it's not Arcana Heart. PREASE MOVE TO JAPAN
#30 Posted by Jeffsekai (7026 posts) -

Like Ultima said, Street Fighter has always had Americanized characters I do not see where this backlash is coming from. This isnt somthing new Ryu has always looked like an American/Someone from the west, complaining about something like that at this stage just seems silly. I also think Street Fighter 4 looks amazing, one of the best looking games of 09. 2.5D is here to stay to ya'll better get used to it.  

#31 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

I really like the art style of SFIV. Think it looks great! The characters look crazy and exagerated which makes it better, to be honest.

#32 Posted by MikkaQ (10268 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" I personally prefer Japanese characters, to look Japanese. The current Ryu looks like he's of Eastern European origin.  "
 
Yeah but how many anime styled characters even LOOK like Japs? Basically none. 
 
Also I can't even tell the difference, other than wider eyes, which just makes it look more cartooney, not necessarily western.
#33 Posted by Linkyshinks (9881 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @Linkyshinks: It just sounds like you don't like the models, and I do. That elongated post doesn't really change this. It's like World of Warcraft, the models are exaggerated and cartoony, it makes the game look better. Udon art almost ALWAYS looks like shit to be honest, let's not even bring that ass up. Street Fighter has always been Americanized, it's not Arcana Heart. PREASE MOVE TO JAPAN "
 
You mean to say my opinion, that opinion wasn't clear in the OP already?. I hate the majority of SF4's character models, but that's not to say I dislike the game at all. Out of the lot, Ryu and Ken are the two character models I have particular dislike for. 
#34 Posted by lordofultima (6208 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @lordofultima said:
" @Linkyshinks: It just sounds like you don't like the models, and I do. That elongated post doesn't really change this. It's like World of Warcraft, the models are exaggerated and cartoony, it makes the game look better. Udon art almost ALWAYS looks like shit to be honest, let's not even bring that ass up. Street Fighter has always been Americanized, it's not Arcana Heart. PREASE MOVE TO JAPAN "
 You mean to say my opinion, that opinion wasn't clear in the OP already?. I hate the majority of SF4's character models, but that's not to say I dislike the game at all. Out of the lot, Ryu and Ken are the two character models I have particular dislike for.  "
Fair enough. I will say that 3rd Strike art was pretty darn good, but also that that sort of style just wouldn't translate into 3D models, I think the SFIV style is a product of the 2.5D nature of the game.
#35 Posted by Dolphin_Butter (1913 posts) -
@lordofultima said:
" @Linkyshinks: PREASE MOVE TO JAPAN "
Dear God, I hope that was sarcastic/ironic or a typo.
#36 Posted by Linkyshinks (9881 posts) -
@XII_Sniper: 
 
I meant in style, Japanese style. 
 
I would avoid using that term on this site, we have a few Japanese members that might take offence to it.  
  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap
#37 Edited by MikkaQ (10268 posts) -
@Linkyshinks:  
 
From the same article:  
 
" English speaking countries differ in the degree they consider the term offensive"  
 
Also if someone offended by a abbreviation... they're probably not a shining example of their race's intelligence, anyway. 
 
But japanese style? Bigger eyes=anime.. that's japanese enough, right? 
 
 And other than that... I can't tell the difference between those designs, unless you want him to look ethnically japanese, but hell he never really has.
#38 Posted by kmdrkul (3476 posts) -
@Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
Usually (at least where I'm from) you only refer to Asian things as Oriental... Asian people are just, well, Asian. 
#39 Posted by Snail (8579 posts) -
@Rayfield said:
" @Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
The 1950s - the time when 'oriental' was last used to describe people who come from Asia. "
Are you serious? 
 
On topic, I actually don't know which one I prefer, they both look strange.
#40 Posted by carlthenimrod (1588 posts) -

Ryu in SF4 looks more like a savage fighter. The guy travels the world and beats people up, he's not a male model.

#41 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@TheGremp said:
" @StaticFalconar said:
" @TheGremp said:
" Eh, I'm glad they passed on it.  The version they went with is much easier on the eyes. "
thanks for pointing out your subconsious bias against Asians to tthe rest of us. "
Dude, what?  That's not Asian...  Just straight up terrifying.  If they were going for the look of an Asian man with this Ryu, they did a horrible job.  If they were going for a caricatured, angry cartoon man, then they hit the target perfectly.  "
If you hate that first dumb looking design you hate asian people, confirmed.
#42 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -
@kmdrkul said:
" @Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
Usually (at least where I'm from) you only refer to Asian things as Oriental... Asian people are just, well, Asian.  "
Russia and most of the middle east fall into Asia. Do you call them Asian? If you're going to be lazy, at least qualify it with east. East Asian. 
#43 Edited by kmdrkul (3476 posts) -
@ryanwho said:

" @kmdrkul said:

" @Linkyshinks said:
" @Rayfield said:
" @TinaWood said:
" oriental eyes!. "
What the... "
  What the F don't you understand ?   Orient - something of Eastern origin  Eyes - organs that detect light  "
Usually (at least where I'm from) you only refer to Asian things as Oriental... Asian people are just, well, Asian.  "
Russia and most of the middle east fall into Asia. Do you call them Asian? If you're going to be lazy, at least qualify it with east. East Asian.  "
*Shrugs*
 
I'm only suggesting why the other dude quoted the original statement.  But just to displease you, I am going to continue calling everyone with even remotely slanted eyes Asian.  For the record though, it's classified by how you look, not your geographical location...
#44 Posted by Linkyshinks (9881 posts) -
@XII_Sniper:  
 
It matters not that it's an abbreviation, there happen to be many racial slurs which are exactly that, and exactly that for a reason, that reason being so racist cunts can offend at will in a undercover manner.  Those that use such words with offensive intent are the ones that are deficient in mind.     
#45 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

This is Asia for people who are misinformed.
 

If you say someone looks "Asian" then that's not really describing what they look like at all. An Iranian doesn't look at all like an Indian who doesn't look at all like someone from Japan, who doesn't look like someone from Mongolia. If you're thinking "asian" means "those Chinese dudes with the eyes" then you are ignorant. Now, calling someone "Oriental" is perfectaly fine as it specifically is talking about the people who come from the far east of Asia and everyone (I sincerely hope) would know what "look" you are talking about.
 
Anyways, what? Oh yeah. I prefer Japanese Tatsunoko Ryu for 2D fighter but I really like his look in SFIV. I think a 3D version of a Tatsunoko Ryu would (and does, if you look at the pictures in OP) not work in SFIV. Maybe another 3D fighter with Ryu in it could have Oriental Ryu and it would look great, but the art style in SFIV wouldn't really suit it, in my opinion.
#46 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -

Yo I'm Asian.

#47 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -
@AniMoney: You no scare?
#48 Posted by Gargantuan (1881 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" This is Asia for people who are misinformed.
 

If you say someone looks "Asian" then that's not really describing what they look like at all. An Iranian doesn't look at all like an Indian who doesn't look at all like someone from Japan, who doesn't look like someone from Mongolia. If you're thinking "asian" means "those Chinese dudes with the eyes" then you are ignorant. Now, calling someone "Oriental" is perfectaly fine as it specifically is talking about the people who come from the far east of Asia and everyone (I sincerely hope) would know what "look" you are talking about.  Anyways, what? Oh yeah. I prefer Japanese Tatsunoko Ryu for 2D fighter but I really like his look in SFIV. I think a 3D version of a Tatsunoko Ryu would (and does, if you look at the pictures in OP) not work in SFIV. Maybe another 3D fighter with Ryu in it could have Oriental Ryu and it would look great, but the art style in SFIV wouldn't really suit it, in my opinion. "
Last time I checked the majority of Russia was in Asia.
#49 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -
@Gargantuan: Boom.
 

#50 Posted by AniMoney (957 posts) -
@Scooper said:
" @AniMoney: You no scare? "
I sometimes scare. 
 
@Scooper said:
" @Gargantuan: Boom.
 

"
Ah, the ever changing continent of Asia.

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