No More Heroes was Suda's most succesful title yet, and it obviously sold enough for a sequel. No More Heroes was clearly low budget with little advertising and it sold great considering that. Other titles people thought bombed also later proved to have sold great for their budgets, including EA's Boom Blox (Also getting a sequel) and THQ's De Blob. Not every game needs to be a multi million seller to be considered a success, you know. If Halo 3 sold that much it wouldn't only not spawn a sequel, it wouldn't have even covered its expenses, but when we're talking of a low budget and VERY niche title Like No More Heroes, it's a very different story, one that surpasses expectations and warrants a sequel.

Assuming No More Heroes is good because it's niche, low budget and on the Wii is missing the mark. I feel its Wii success was more due to it being an actual game rather than a minigame collection or a brand new decades old Nintendo franchise and while not every game needs multi million sales to be successful, putting it on a platform where the target audience is people who play games and therefore more likely to understand the parody nature of it could have given the game a larger, if still niche, audience.

Nobody assumed it's good because of those reasons, they know it's good cos they played it? Your theories can go both ways as on the 360 (or PS3) it would have more "non mini game" competition, and it also wouldn't look nearly as good as other 360 titles with a low budget like this. I can vividly imagine the average GTAIV fan (ie, quite a large portion of gamers according to its sales and rentals) ridiculing the game for its sub par open world sections, completely missing the mark. Owning a system other than a Wii doesn't instantly make the average user more knowledgable or with a better sense of humour, you know. You know, most of the Wii users you often try to argue with DO own other systems also.

If you didn't sit on Wii threads like a hawk, i'd have had time to edit it so I could change good to successful or a good seller or something more contextually apt, but no Al3x, you were there. As always.

Well in that case, still, nobody assumes it's successful, they know it's succesful because its creators consider it succesful and enough so to make a sequel that is also Wii exclusive, clearly being ignorant of your all-knowing logic that dictates it would do soooo much better on a different system. These people must hate money. And yes, I'm aware they have other projects for other systems, but not NMH.

Successful in a Wii sense is completely different from successful in a Xbox or Playstation sense. Being an actual game that sells well on the Wii deserves commendation.

I don't know if you'd heard, but the Conduit is actually a giant mass relay into Dead Space.

So yeah.

I don't know if you'd heard, but the Conduit is actually a giant mass relay into Dead Space.

So yeah.

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Grasshopper came in with No More Heroes."

I know **** only one **** 360 game ****that is **** a bigger hit *** than his Wii games."

"HandsomeDead said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Grasshopper came in with No More Heroes."

I know **** only one **** 360 game ****that is **** a bigger hit *** than his Wii games."

Why is it lame to quote things out of context?"

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Grasshopper came in with No More Heroes."

I know **** only one **** 360 game ****that is **** a bigger hit *** than his Wii games."

Why is it lame to quote things out of context?"

Learn what context means then get back to trying to be funny."

"HandsomeDead said:

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Grasshopper came in with No More Heroes."

I know **** only one **** 360 game ****that is **** a bigger hit *** than his Wii games."

Why is it lame to quote things out of context?"

Learn what context means then get back to trying to be funny."

Learn what jokes are then get back to being a troll no one likes."

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Grasshopper came in with No More Heroes."

I know **** only one **** 360 game ****that is **** a bigger hit *** than his Wii games."

Why is it lame to quote things out of context?"

Learn what context means then get back to trying to be funny."

Learn what jokes are then get back to being a troll no one likes."

Learn what makes a joke funny then please never go back to being the sensitive brown noser who cares about internet popularity."

This is the internet. If you care so much, that is definitely sensitivity, that seems pretty obvious with some of the more personal things you've posted. And being all 'But, but, but Mr. Snide sir, there's a typo on one of the pages when I use IE7. I'll report it right after I complain to the mods about some nasty users. Please respect me as a member of the community.' Yeah, you're a regular rebel without a cause.

Wasn't there Wii Fit and Wii Music also last year? Nintendo is moving there 1st party efforts to the more casual crowd.

. . . and it just got personal. Lovely. Because that is what we love to see on Giant Bomb.

I regret nothing!

"This is the internet. If you care so much, that is definitely sensitivity, that seems pretty obvious with some of the more personal things you've posted. And being all 'But, but, but Mr. Snide sir, there's a typo on one of the pages when I use IE7. I'll report it right after I complain to the mods about some nasty users. Please respect me as a member of the community.' Yeah, you're a regular rebel without a cause."

One of the biggest errors in my life has to be buying the god-damn Wii. I can see how some people could enjoy it, but....

.....I could have used that money for an electric guitar or as extra money to get me through disemployment. Currently, I'm not enjoying my Wii........ And I'm 100% sure its cause I hate it sooo much I don't even turn it on anymore.

I can't believe I thought the online on the Wii would be decent. BAH! >_<

So, I have no interest on whats next for the Wii......
I am however, interested on whats next for MY wii.... Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the DAMN 'brick' in my room!? Hope its the former! :D

"One of the biggest errors in my life has to be buying the god-damn Wii. I can see how some people could enjoy it, but.........I could have used that money for an electric guitar or as extra money to get me through disemployment. Currently, I'm not enjoying my Wii........ And I'm 100% sure its cause I hate it sooo much I don't even turn it on anymore.I can't believe I thought the online on the Wii would be decent. BAH! >_<So, I have no interest on whats next for the Wii...... I am however, interested on whats next for MY wii.... Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the 'brick' in my room!? Hope its the former! :D"

SELL SELL SELL

"HandsomeDead said:

"This is the internet. If you care so much, that is definitely sensitivity, that seems pretty obvious with some of the more personal things you've posted. And being all 'But, but, but Mr. Snide sir, there's a typo on one of the pages when I use IE7. I'll report it right after I complain to the mods about some nasty users. Please respect me as a member of the community.' Yeah, you're a regular rebel without a cause."

On one hand, you call me a little emo who fights everyone in prepubescent fits of tearry eyed rage; yet, you also attempt to label me as someone who kisses everyone's ass. That's a bit incongruous, don't you think? Then again, you are both a shrewd troll and an idiot. That's pretty paradoxical, too. And if we are going to do impressions, I'll do you:

"B-b-but all I care about is shopping and Zack Efron's abs. That doesn't mean anything, right? RIGHT?! Well, jeez, I try to cover up my immense insecurities with feminine make up and salon-styled hair, under the guise of confidence in my own masculinity, but for the life of me I can't understand how nothing seems to convince people that my tendency to make fun of everyone isn't an attempt to overcompensate for my inability to function in a normal society. M-m-mmmaybe if I can show off that I'm a non-conformist, who doesn't care about societal values, no one will notice that I project my own emotional instability onto the people I mock, calling them emos in attempt to link them to the homsexuality I am so afraid of admitting to. A-annd I-I rrr-r-r-r-reeee-r-real-eally -h-h-ho-pe th-that by insisting fervently that I am not gay will lead to everyone believing this farse of my own creation! HEY DAD, MAYBE IF YOU HUGGED ME FOR ONCE, I WOULDN''T BE COWERING IN THE CLOSET!!!!!"

Wow. You're right, HandsomeDead. This IS fun!

"

"One of the biggest errors in my life has to be buying the god-damn Wii. I can see how some people could enjoy it, but.....

....I could have used that money for an electric guitar or as extra money to get me through disemployment. Currently, I'm not enjoying my Wii........ And I'm 100% sure its cause I hate it sooo much I don't even turn it on anymore.

I can't believe I thought the online on the Wii would be decent. BAH! >_<

So, I have no interest on whats next for the Wii...... I am however, interested on whats next for MY wii.... Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the DAMN 'brick' in my room!? Hope its the former! :D"

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"This is the internet. If you care so much, that is definitely sensitivity, that seems pretty obvious with some of the more personal things you've posted. And being all 'But, but, but Mr. Snide sir, there's a typo on one of the pages when I use IE7. I'll report it right after I complain to the mods about some nasty users. Please respect me as a member of the community.' Yeah, you're a regular rebel without a cause."

On one hand, you call me a little emo who fights everyone in prepubescent fits of tearry eyed rage; yet, you also attempt to label me as someone who kisses everyone's ass. That's a bit incongruous, don't you think? Then again, you are both a shrewd troll and an idiot. That's pretty paradoxical, too. And if we are going to do impressions, I'll do you:

"B-b-but all I care about is shopping and Zack Efron's abs. That doesn't mean anything, right? RIGHT?! Well, jeez, I try to cover up my immense insecurities with feminine make up and salon-styled hair, under the guise of confidence in my own masculinity, but for the life of me I can't understand how nothing seems to convince people that my tendency to make fun of everyone isn't an attempt to overcompensate for my inability to function in a normal society. M-m-mmmaybe if I can show off that I'm a non-conformist, who doesn't care about societal values, no one will notice that I project my own emotional instability onto the people I mock, calling them emos in attempt to link them to the homsexuality I am so afraid of admitting to. A-annd I-I rrr-r-r-r-reeee-r-real-eally -h-h-ho-pe th-that by insisting fervently that I am not gay will lead to everyone believing this farse of my own creation! HEY DAD, MAYBE IF YOU HUGGED ME FOR ONCE, I WOULDN''T BE COWERING IN THE CLOSET!!!!!"

Wow. You're right, HandsomeDead. This IS fun!

"

Nope. I just say you're touchy, i've never said anything about you fighting anyone besides me and trying to be overly passive aggressive to MB, but whatever. For the effortp ut inthere, you're no cigar. i've never once called anyone else emo or anything like that and i've already said I was bi like a million times so it's not like i'm cowering in the closet as you put it so you're way off target. Oh, and i've sent a message to the mods about you abusing me.

GnaTSoL said:

"Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the DAMN 'brick' in my room!?"

Same. And the worst thing is, no one I know wants one either. I've tried selling it and everyone seems to be in the same boat of having one and not enjoying it. Seems like we've both missed the boat."

"Too tired to give another one of your witty responses? Please, HandsomeDead, say something funny! You want to send a message to the mods about me? Go ahead. In fact, send it to MB. I'm sure it would make his day.

Considering the fact that you have been reported on numerous occasions by numerous posters, citing your not-so-subtle attempts at trolling, I'm not very concerned. Having been warned and moderated on the basis of some of your more crass anti-Semitic remarks and distasteful mockings of 9/11, I'd say the thin ice you stand on puts you at a rather significant disadvantage. And let's be perfectly honest, everyone knows you're a douche. As hypocritical as it is for you to mock me for reporting you, and then to report me in the same breath, I find it too pathetic for me to waste anymore of my time addressing you. So basically, long story-short:"lol""

"You guys had how long where you could've recouped the entire price of the Wii by selling it?  It's only been recently that supply has finally starting to meet demand.  Hell, you probably could've sold it during Christmas and nearly broke even.  Even now they're still going for a fair price on e-Bay.  So really, what's motivating you to keep it?  Is it simply so you can come in to Wii topics and talk about how the only use you get out of your Wii is as a paper-weight?

Used Wii + WiiFit sold for $300
Wii only sold for $219
Another sold for  $244.17
Sure, people aren't getting a whole lot more out of consoles with games.  But, you can always do a GameSpot trade on the games.

If you're not using it, then isn't getting any money out of it a good deal?  Being able to sell something at 80% (or more) of it's original value, provided you don't want or don't use it, is a pretty good return."

Smart bunch you are, so he played Wii Sports for a bit and therefor got tired of the whole system. You have to love how people judge the Wii these days, but I guess it's expected if they're around people like yourself. Also, funny how much time people who apparently despise it spend on the Wii forums and manage to turn a discussion about its 2009 lineup into wild stories of Wii dust collecting (clean your homes dudes) and the journey to selling them (I wouldn't buy electronics from someone who doesn't even clean). Attention seeking much? Or is forum posting here so much more fun than playing games on the consoles you find so much better than the Wii or talking about things you actually enjoy? Also, having to explain which part of what you said was witty? It's not a very good sign for your wit... No, it's really not the readers' fault.

"HandsomeDead said:

GnaTSoL said:

"Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the DAMN 'brick' in my room!?"

Same. And the worst thing is, no one I know wants one either. I've tried selling it and everyone seems to be in the same boat of having one and not enjoying it. Seems like we've both missed the boat."

You guys had how long where you could've recouped the entire price of the Wii by selling it?  It's only been recently that supply has finally starting to meet demand.  Hell, you probably could've sold it during Christmas and nearly broke even.  Even now they're still going for a fair price on e-Bay.  So really, what's motivating you to keep it?  Is it simply so you can come in to Wii topics and talk about how the only use you get out of your Wii is as a paper-weight?Used Wii + WiiFit sold for $300Wii only sold for $219Another sold for  $244.17Sure, people aren't getting a whole lot more out of consoles with games.  But, you can always do a GameSpot trade on the games.If you're not using it, then isn't getting any money out of it a good deal?  Being able to sell something at 80% (or more) of it's original value, provided you don't want or don't use it, is a pretty good return."

"Thanks, your family tree was useful and on topic. If they're rich, they can always buy it new regardless of being overpriced anyway.

As for people not liking criticism, they're fine with it when it's valid, and when trolls don't just repeat the same crap over and over in every thread while saying nothing about the actual topic. You can always make your own threads or blogs you know, you don't have to go in every other thread and attempt (and fail) to annoy people as much as the Wii seemingly annoys you. Also, seek professional help if a little white box in your house can honestly have that kind of emotional impact on you, and yet you don't get rid of it all this time because you wait for the best possible deal, even though it's common knowledge things like this lose value with time.
"

Your post was longer than mine and I'm the one with lots of time? If you re-read what you quote, it's a perfect response to what you say above.

"Smart bunch you are, so he played Wii Sports for a bit and therefor got tired of the whole system. You have to love how people judge the Wii these days, but I guess it's expected if they're around people like yourself. Also, funny how much time people who apparently despise it spend on the Wii forums and manage to turn a discussion about its 2009 lineup into wild stories of Wii dust collecting (clean your homes dudes) and the journey to selling them (I wouldn't buy electronics from someone who doesn't even clean). Attention seeking much? Or is forum posting here so much more fun than playing games on the consoles you find so much better than the Wii or talking about things you actually enjoy? Also, having to explain which part of what you said was witty? It's not a very good sign for your wit... No, it's really not the readers' fault."

Back on topic, what we know of so far for third party support isn't nearly enough. There needs to be more in order for the Wii to continue to be a viable system, and they can't all be rail-spinoffs (you heard that term here first folks). They need a few new IPs from important companies like what Square Enix did with TWEWY and Sigma Harmonics on the DS, and would probably be smart to push more 2D games like Klonoa and Muramasa. The consoles strengths need to be played to. 

They do have such IPs, ie Square's Crystal Bearers and Dragon Quest X, Namco's Tales of (Whatever they call it in the end), Capcom's Monster Hunter 3. 2D isn't the only thing playing to the system's strengths, lots of companies are doing creative efforts in 3D, ie Konami's CRAZY platformer The Munchables. But yeah, Cave Story, Night Game, Swords & Soldiers, Bubble Bobble, Boy and his Blob, Muramasa, all 2D. And there's nothin wrong with on rails, I can't wait for Sin & Punishment 2. Why's that kind of thing any worse than a side scrolling shooter or platformer? And despite being happy for those IPs I mentioned, I like the fact it gets more creative efforts with new IPs for the most part, and how Nintendo promotes that attitude with their second parties like Endless Ocean and Cosmic Walker, but at the same time without forgetting their and even others' legacy, and thus also offering the likes of Excitebots, Punch-Out!! and Sin & Punsihment 2.

"You know what, lets play a little game Handsome Dead. list all of the games that you currently own for the wii, and then list all of the games that you have played for the wii. make sure you list each group clearly."

Huh?! Second half of my post. New IPs is what the Wii gets for the most part, that's why I didn't post examples. It's the bigger part of its library, so I found it more natural that you'd fault it for not having as many established IPs, rather than new ones. SEGA, THQ, EA, Konami, Capcom, Marvelous, XSEED, Hudson, Jaleco, they all play their part in that, and more keep jumping aboard. Even Square I guess, Crystal Bearers may use FF and CC to make it more marketable but it's pretty much a brand new effort by all accounts. I can't mention all the publishers and devs.

We've had some new IPs, but I dont see all that many on the horizon. Conduit, Muramasa, and Arc Rise Fantasia(though even that is related to Luminous Arc). 

Meh. Really, the Wii's library is new IPs for the most part, as well as exclusives, or the first appearances of IPs that spawned on portables, but still very new ones, like from DS (Trace Memory, Spectrobes) or even PSP (Valhalla Knights). Again, this is a good starting place. I don't think the Wii's library looks very conventional and playing it safe from those examples, even if some of those are portable games making the jump, or PC sequels like Anno, or if they use brand names to be made more popular when they're clearly all new efforts (again, Crystal Bearers). Yeah, some of the games in the list should be removed as unlikely to get here (ie Sky Crawlers) but most are good to go.

"HandsomeDead said:

"AgentJ said:

"You know what, lets play a little game Handsome Dead. list all of the games that you currently own for the wii, and then list all of the games that you have played for the wii. make sure you list each group clearly."

Own: Wii Sports, Wii Play, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight PrincessGames Played: Wii Sports, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Wii Music, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Kart, that Scuba game and Red Steel.What was achieved there?"

Well, what i was going to do was then ask you to take a picture of all the games you own for the Wii, but there is obviously no need. You've only played 5 worthwhile games for the system, and 4 of those are Nintendo properties. Really, if you are going to say the Wii sucks, at least play some decent games for the thing."

You need to have at least played Zack&Wiki, definatly deBlob as well as Smooth Moves OR one of the Rabbids. Also Trauma Center.

I played Wario Ware and Trauma Centre on the DS. Is there really that much of a difference?

WarioWare is better on the DS, so don't bother, but Trauma Center is handled much better in its Wii entries. The games that you've played are good games, but there are many more to try before you give up on the thing. you may still dislike the console, but then at least you tried right?

"VaultBoy said:

"HandsomeDead said:

GnaTSoL said:

"Will I be able to sell it in the coming months or will it continue to annoy the shit out of me when looking at the DAMN 'brick' in my room!?"

Same. And the worst thing is, no one I know wants one either. I've tried selling it and everyone seems to be in the same boat of having one and not enjoying it. Seems like we've both missed the boat."

So really, what's motivating you to keep it?  Is it simply so you can come in to Wii topics and talk about how the only use you get out of your Wii is as a paper-weight?

I hate the Wii and want to get rid of it but I won't let that sway me. I will wait for the best offer. Of course if my plan screws up I will sadly make a trip to my local gamestop.

I get the feeling you hate us expressing our personal resentment over the Wii.  Sadly though, the Wii is annoying the hell out of me cause I bought into the hype and it didn't live up to my expectation. Thus I come to this one Wii topic and "talk about how the only use you get out of your Wii is as a paper-weight.'I have my reasons for criticism."

Dead guy, will you promise to never come into a Wii thread when you sell your Wii?

I'd rather that "dead guy" gave his Wii another chance, though i doubt that there are any games on it that he'll enjoy over his efpeess.

"Dead guy, will you promise to never come into a Wii thread when you sell your Wii?"

"I'd rather that "dead guy" gave his Wii another chance, though i doubt that there are any games on it that he'll enjoy over his efpeess."