Or you know. Rape is not a joke. I hope for you it never affects your life.

People, less talking and more Youtube videos of the level. Goddamonit! 
Or as Duke would say: "Talking is for pussies"

@rebgav said:

@Wrighteous86 said:

I would find it easier to watch someone hang than I would to watch someone get their fingernails ripped out while they scream in pain. I'm sure you would too.

I don't know what is wrong with some of you guys but this seems like a good place to start. Let's try not listing abhorant acts of real-life violence in ranked lists*. *Unless it's a list of violent acts you'd rather endure than play DNF, I'd read that.

Fair enough. I was just trying to emphasize that empathy is where the moral outrage comes from.

This game looks like shit anyway. I ignored the Postal series and I'll probably ignore this too. I wouldn't call it a "rape scene" but I personally felt uncomfortable and dirty watching that part of the Quick Look. It was just distasteful.

@Daiphyer: The level is in the Quick Look, if you want to see it.

like many have said there is no Rape "Scene". It is implied the women were impregnated by the aliens - they even burst open with little alien babies that attack you. This thread title is fucking Libel.

People, less talking and more Youtube videos of the level. Goddamonit! Or as Duke would say: "Talking is for pussies"

Duke does not come across as cool, witty or likable in the least. He comes across as a vile, callous, thoroughly detestable psychopath.

Copy and paste this to any discussion of Duke Nukem's actions.

1. Game is bad.
2. There is no rape scene.
3. Jim Sterling is a controversy attention whore.

That was a rape scene?

What kind of sick mind do you need to have to see the above video as a rape scene, and what do these people think about the new My Little Pony series?

It was in the Giantbomb quick look, and I do not support or make light of the word rape, even used in dumb gamer context like "OHHHHHHH I JUST RAPED THAT GUY IN CoD". It was an unfunny joke, yeah, like the rest of the game, but it's not more offensive than anything else in the game. More amusing/of note to me is that the game makes fun of Mary Kate and Ashley, proving how fucking dated the game is.

The details of this game, whatever they may be, will be lost on the fact that the game took fourteen years to make and it's still looks fucking atrocious. 

Not having played the full game, I'd like to know how accurate this description actually is before I make any judgment.

We're all missing the point: There is no actual scene of rape. Yeah, it's kinda sorta implied, and yeah, rape is bad, but you people are eating right out of Jim Sterling's hand by making this a bigger issue than it really is. Is Duke Nukem crass, tasteless, and totally not funny? Certainly. But getting offended about a game where most of the content seems to have come from the mind of an especially perverted 13 year old boy in need of medication isn't worth it. Just let the game be and eventually everyone will forget about it, or at least remember it as "That game that took forever to come out and then totally sucked"

How someone can be okay with the violent killing of countless humans/aliens/creatures in all these games, but be offended by non-consensual sex is beyond me.  I know a couple girls who've been sexually abused, and they're a lot better off than anyone I met who got their head blown off with a chaingun

There was no on-screen rape but it was implied. Duke is and always has been a giant fucking asshole. That whole area of the game was really disturbing, frankly. However, it was nothing compared to the Silent Hill 2 scene.

Also, maybe Pyramid Head wouldn't have seen him in the closet if his flashlight was off...just saying. Anywho. This scene in SH2 was, in my eyes, much more disturbing. Granted that's what the game is going for but still, it was messed up. Great game though.

@SeriouslyNow said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Get over it. Didn't disturb me, why would it disturb anyone else? Oh wait, since they're pansies.

Not that it offends me, but why does being a woman make you the barometer of what offends and what doesn't?

Its Duke Nukem, its meant to be offending. If anyone finds anything in Duke Nukem offending, their own fault. Its like watching South Park and complaining its vulgar or gross.  Its the bloody point. Don't like it, don't watch/play/listen/read/whatever to it.  This has nothing to do with me being a woman, just insane that someone could get through most of DNF and then near the end see that scene and be offended.

It seemed clear to me that the women were being kept there to grow their babies and not actually being raped in that part of the game. The agony came from having aliens growing in their bellies. That's how I saw it anyway. I made it a little more dramatic by walking around killing all of them. Duke actually gets a little sad when you do that and says stuff like "Why do they always have to take the hot ones?" and something akin to "She's not human anymore". I thought it was the closest the game got to an emotional scene, since saving the babes is kind of Duke's only motivation. It certainly got me angry at the aliens.

@Meowshi said:

@Shady1992 said:

How someone can be okay with the violent killing of countless humans/aliens/creatures in all these games, but be offended by non-consensual sex is beyond me. I know a couple girls who've been sexually abused, and they're a lot better off than anyone I met who got their head blown off with a chaingun

So, to be perfectly clear, you're saying that non-consensual sex is not offensive?

That's not at all what he said.

There was no on-screen rape but it was implied. Duke is and always has been a giant fucking asshole. That whole area of the game was really disturbing, frankly. However, it was nothing compared to the Silent Hill 2 scene.

Also, maybe Pyramid Head wouldn't have seen him in the closet if his flashlight was off...just saying. Anywho. This scene in SH2 was, in my eyes, much more disturbing. Granted that's what the game is going for but still, it was messed up. Great game though.

@Meowshi said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

There was no on-screen rape but it was implied. Duke is and always has been a giant fucking asshole. That whole area of the game was really disturbing, frankly. However, it was nothing compared to the Silent Hill 2 scene.

Also, maybe Pyramid Head wouldn't have seen him in the closet if his flashlight was off...just saying. Anywho. This scene in SH2 was, in my eyes, much more disturbing. Granted that's what the game is going for but still, it was messed up. Great game though.

It's not played off as a joke here. Pyramid Head is pretty much synonymous with sexual violence if I remember his backstory correctly (I don't).

Exactly. Hence why I said that is what SH2 is going for.

Check the Quick Look if you haven't - it isn't just some debate over whether or not a crime is implied, and it has nothing to do with Silent Hill 2 (context, people, context). Rape isn't the only problem here (or throughout the game, for that matter) - when Duke talks to two of these women, they just apologize to him for gaining weight (aka being impregnated by the aliens) and are pretty apologetic for being "with an alien" in the first place - while being within this miserable stage. I know that everyone's a Duke fan in the game, but that isn't necessary. There's all kinds of awful fat/pregnant/female shaming here that I couldn't even write a list without going insane. Or how about saying a bunch of snide remarks while slapping (alien, sure, but whatever) "boobs" while all this crap is going on around you?  
 
I'd pay 60 bucks to not have DNF after seeing that, and luckily, I don't have to.  The Quick Look video treated this scene as it was - unbelievably disturbing, and not worth your time. I'd be embarrassed to have that on my TV screen - and in contrast to this, I'm a huge No More Heroes 2 fan, with all its blood-letting and hypersexualized imagery - where it makes sense contextually and doesn't make me want to throw optical discs in a toaster oven.

I thought it was weird and dragged on for a really long time. What kind of set me off is the fact that Duke kills the girls very coldly as though he doesn't care. It's not the act of the so called "rape" (since at no point does the game show you explicitly that there is being raped, just that they are captured) that shocked me but rather how Duke reacted to it.

@KaosAngel: I think a lot of people were disturbed by it, even Ryan kind of wanted it to end

The scene in the quicklook was just gross. You could hear them puking and crying while he smacked on the alien breasts. I get Duke is about getting his dick sucked and killing pig cops. But that scene was just... strange.

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

@SeriouslyNow said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Get over it. Didn't disturb me, why would it disturb anyone else? Oh wait, since they're pansies.

Not that it offends me, but why does being a woman make you the barometer of what offends and what doesn't?

Its Duke Nukem, its meant to be offending. If anyone finds anything in Duke Nukem offending, their own fault. Its like watching South Park and complaining its vulgar or gross.  Its the bloody point. Don't like it, don't watch/play/listen/read/whatever to it.  This has nothing to do with me being a woman, just insane that someone could get through most of DNF and then near the end see that scene and be offended.

Why is it insane?  Why are you so baffled by the fact that people are offended? 
 
According to you, that's the entire point of the game.  To offend.   
 
I'm confused as to why you seem so baffled (and judgmental) of the people who ended up offended by it, when you yourself claim that the game set out to do it.   
 
Also, how silly is it to point out that if you don't like something, you don't have to play it?  Everyone fucking knows that!  This is a message board where people have discussions.  This place would be boring if we sat around agreeing with each other and slapping each other on the back.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with commenting on something you don't like or something that upset you.   By the way, I love how fucking egotistical you are.  "If something doesn't bother me, then it absolutely shouldn't bother anyone else!  I'm the model for how all humans should react to things!  Truly I am an enlightened being!"  

Women are used as playthings, lust objects, throughout the game, which should be considered equally disgusting as implied rape or whatever (which isn't a new concept in Duke's series).    

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Women are used as playthings, lust objects, throughout the game, which should be considered equally disgusting as implied rape or whatever (which isn't a new concept in Duke's series).    

You don't seem very smart.  I apologize for attempting to engage you in conversation.

Pff that's hardly "rape" and they had the same thing in Duke Nukem 3D only difference is you couldn't really hear the moaning.  Making a big deal over fuck all, there's realistic rape, torture etc in films, they can be in games too, get over it.

Pff that's hardly "rape" and they had the same thing in Duke Nukem 3D only difference is you couldn't really hear the moaning.  Making a big deal over fuck all, there's realistic rape, torture etc in films, they can be in games too, get over it.

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Get over it. Didn't disturb me, why would it disturb anyone else? Oh wait, since they're pansies.

Wow flawless logic...

Isn't that part in the Quick Look? I've gotta say though, that whole level is a bit.. unsettling.

and I said "this game may not be the right one for me"

Oh, and to the guy who brought up the Penny Arcade Dickwolves controversy; this is nothing like that.  The people who got offended over that believe that rape should never be mentioned in any form of media, period.  They literally believe that just featuring a theme of rape in a movie is adding to a "rape culture" where men are being programmed to view rape positively.  Those people are nuts.  

I don't really get the comparisons to South Park. South Park offends, but it also has a fucking point and punchline. DNF has neither. Which means it's just offensive for the sake of being offensive at best, or some misguided thought that being offensive in itself is funny. Which might have been great when I was 14, but not so much now.

I wouldn't call that scene a prolonged rape joke necessarily, but it's not much better. And for a game that "doesn't take itself seriously" to have a scene like that with Duke's same random one-liners doesn't really make it better. It just makes Duke seem like a sociopath.

I have a rule about people who will not tolerate rape jokes.... 
 
Fuck em. 
 
Poor form Gearbox, poor form.

Why is this even an issue? We play games where we KILL PEOPLE. MURDER PEOPLE.  Have you played Uncharted? Congratulations, you've played as a scychopathic serial killer.
 
Games where we RUN DOWN PEDESTRIANS IN COLD BLOOD ON THE STREET AND GET AMUSEMENT FROM IT.
 
And we're supposed to care about implied alien rape? Are you fucking serious?

This is retarded. This section of the game can be seen in the QuickLook and it's nothing. It certainly isn't funny or tasteful, but it's not shocking either.  
 
It's just retarded, and the people who get worked up about it are retards.

Why is this even an issue? We play games where we KILL PEOPLE. MURDER PEOPLE.  Have you played Uncharted? Congratulations, you've played as a scychopathic serial killer.
 
Games where we RUN DOWN PEDESTRIANS IN COLD BLOOD ON THE STREET AND GET AMUSEMENT FROM IT.  And we're supposed to care about implied alien rape? Are you fucking serious?

We are desensitized to fictional violence.  We see it every day on television, in movies and videos games, and in literature.   
Fictional depictions of rape are far more rare, so we are not as desensitized to it.   
 
It's also probably worth noting that sexual violence is just so much more common than murder.  Most people don't know anyone who has been murdered, but if the statistics are to be believed, then many of the people you come into contact with on a daily basis have suffered some form of sexual violence.  That's part of why it feels more real, even when it is just a fictional video game characters having fictional sex with fictional aliens. 
 
Maybe these things shouldn't make a difference, but to a lot of people, I'd imagine they do.

I'm not sure what's more surprising to me; the fact that people are surprised that this kind of thing is in the game, or that people are actually willing to defend this shit. 
 
I just wonder what the fuck the developers were thinking. You have a game where the draw is a cartoonish level of sci-fi violence and cheesy mid-90s macho attitude, and then include a sequence where naked women are crying and moaning in pain while fused into the organic alien mass, and then you shoot them in the head to put them out of their misery.  Even if it's not overtly rape, it's at least torture and there's a significant of rape imagery going on there. 
 
I don't think the game should be banned or anything like that, and I wouldn't say that I'm even offended by it. On the other hand, I can't POSSIBLY see how someone thought it was a good idea. f I'm being generous, I'd say it's an incredibly awkward tonal shift. It's uncomfortable, and not in a good way like Silent Hill where it works into the setting and tone of the game. More like a "People actually fucking made this, and at least some of them thought it wasn't a terrible idea" kinda way. 

hrmph, i see nothing wrong with portraying rape victims as dumb, vapid sluts that should be apologetic for being stupid enough to get raped. mayhaps you people should be less sensitive. 
 
why yes i am a white, upper-middle class male. how did you know?

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Get over it. Didn't disturb me, why would it disturb anyone else? Oh wait, since they're pansies.

Wow flawless logic...

Murdering pigmen = women getting raped and apologizing for it?

Oh my god, a scene in a game somebody finds offensive.
 
I am going to agree with that person to show how much of a top guy I am on the Internet.
 
Seriously who fucking cares? It's not real and as already said people seem fine with mindless killing. Surely banging a hooker in GTA then proceeding to run her over and take your money back is far worse? No?
 
Dicks.

Can someone give me a link to said scene or a time stamp in the quicklook. I've made some comments already but still have not seen it.

@Napalm said:

Here, it just sounds tasteless and morbid, and I might skip out on DNF because making fun of rape in any fashion, or at least in such a morbid way as it seems, is downright offensive.

...but making fun of violence and murder is totally okay?

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

@DonPixel said:

@TaliciaDragonsong said:

Get over it. Didn't disturb me, why would it disturb anyone else? Oh wait, since they're pansies.

Wow flawless logic...

If you'd read on, you'd read me saying I mighta overstepped, but hey where's the fun in that right? I meant to say, wtf is wrong with people that they are so easily offended by one thing, while mindless killing otherwise is nothing to them (as said by many others in this topic). People just like to bitch and moan it seems.

Betwen the context of the common shooter and in the ¨Ethics of War¨ - 2 sides agree to kill each other under a set of rules and under the presumption of a cause. In Duke Nukem context women sexuality is objectified and victimized in the presumption of ¨humor¨. I think you basically comparing apples and oranges here.

Personally I think DNF is a sad piece of entreteiment and terrible product of cultural degradation. But hey I rather be a pansie than a retard.

@Pinworm45 said:

@Demoskinos said:

@Metal_Mills: Oh, so murder is less offensive to you than rape? Because if it is then you seriously need your mental health checked out.

Someones body being used for its purpose without your express consent is significantly less offensive to me than murdering someone, yes. One causes mental distress for a while but people move on, one is fucking killing someone. I'll skip out on the doctors this time though, because that seems rational to me.

Mental distress for a while then move on? Ugh. Fucking kids on these forums, man.

This whole thread is real bad.

hrmph, i see nothing wrong with portraying rape victims as dumb, vapid sluts that should be apologetic for being stupid enough to get raped. mayhaps you people should be less sensitive.  why yes i am a white, upper-middle class male. how did you know?