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The Kid Who Created Team Fortress 2's Controversial Anti-Free-to-Play Mod

Asher Baker created the mod getting headlines, but he's not even against free-to-play.

Moving Team Fortress 2 free-to-play follows Valve enabling other F2P games on Steam.
Moving Team Fortress 2 free-to-play follows Valve enabling other F2P games on Steam.

When Valve turned Team Fortress 2 into a free-to-play experience, it opened the floodgates. It's not like Team Fortress 2 hasn't been ridiculously cheap in the past--once, it was just a few dollars on Steam--but the difference between any amount of money and free is a big one.

The people who have been playing Team Fortress 2 since its launch in 2007, however, are a dedicated bunch. You don't play a game for this many years without forming expectations about the people you play with.

As such, not everyone responded to the decision with open arms.

Asher Baker, known in the Steam community for his various Valve-related plugins and workarounds, created "Free2BeKicked (Anti-F2P)," a plugin that detects whether a player has a Team Fortress 2 premium account. Getting bumped to premium after downloading the game for free is simple; you only have to purchase an item from the in-game store. If you don't have one, you're kicked out.

It's worth remembering this is happening exclusively on private servers, not on Valve's, and anyone who purchased Team Fortress 2 in the past automatically became a premium member when the switch was pulled.

Baker and others in the community got the sense Team Fortress 2 was heading towards free-to-play before Valve ever announced it, as some backend changes rolled out. As this happened, then followed by the official announcement, there was chatter about a plugin to kick free-to-play users. Baker was first asked by a friend in the Team Fortress 2 trading community.

To provide a better sense of the mindset, Baker provided me with a transcript of an IRC dialogue between himself and "dvander," the founder of Alliedmodders, where Baker's plugin is hosted.

<dvander> personally i put it in the same category as banning high ping people which i hate
<dvander> but valve has created a problem
<dvander> a community needs a barrier to entry and it needs a way to heal itself if there is a misbehaving member
<dvander> if there is no barrier to entry - and no recourse against those people - it could be bad
<dvander> but its too early to tell
<asherkin> there are also a large number of tf2 servers aimed specifically at trading, the non-premium players can't start trades and therefore just end up in these servers taking up a slot and begging for items
<asherkin> (it's a trade server owner that originally asked me for the plugin)
<asherkin> and yeah, I also dislike high ping kickers, that silly cross-game vac ban detector, and even this one
<asherkin> but I figured it was better to do it myself properly before someone released something that did something silly like parse their backpack page to see how many slots they had etc.

Between some public requests for a plugin and other private conversations, Baker relented.

"Basically it just boils down to there being a demand for it," explained Baker over email recently, "yet there being very few developers who had the necessary background knowledge to do it without 'hacks.' I was in a unique position due to my work on Open Steamworks."

Team Fortress 2 quickly overtook Counter-Strike as the most popular game on Steam.
Team Fortress 2 quickly overtook Counter-Strike as the most popular game on Steam.

Open Steamworks, as Baker puts it, is "a series of scrounged, leaked and reverse engineered headers that allow the usage of the client-side portions of Valve's Steamworks API [application programming interface]." It allows people like Baker to create things that are not necessarily kosher.

According to Source Mod (and Baker), there are 16 servers running his mod. He can't be sure, since the ability to query servers running on Linux for their rulesets is broken at the moment, and from what he can tell, the majority of Team Fortress 2 servers are hosted on Linux machines.

To get a sense of how the community is hashing this out, read this rather contentious thread. Hostilities are definitely abound.

I've contacted Valve about whether the company's okay with Baker's mod, but haven't heard back. Baker expects it's not, though less because of what the plugin does, more that it's possible.

"I would doubt Valve are okay with [this] method," he said.

To explain how Baker's plugin works would get unnecessarily technical, but when asked whether Valve would have an easy way to get rid of it, Baker launched into a lengthy breakdown of how the plugin detects free-to-play users. In summary, it comes down to the way Steam authenticates.

"While Valve may wish to prevent the plugin from operating," he said, "it would only end up with a large amount of work and worse methods being used to the same effect. As long as there is demand a version of the plugin will exist, although probably not written by myself."

It wouldn't be surprising if Team Fortress 2 moving free-to-play is a signal for future Valve products.
It wouldn't be surprising if Team Fortress 2 moving free-to-play is a signal for future Valve products.

And while you might expect that Baker is one of the many outraged at the influx of newcomers to the Team Fortress 2 userbase, it's not true. Baker's loyalty, as he puts it, "is to the server operators."

"I anticipated a negative response from the general player base and a positive response from the server operators," he said. "I hadn't anticipated it to be this strong either way, even including receiving death threats. [...] I don't really have a personal opinion about TF2 going free to play, it's brought in lots of new players, but I'm not sure it's worth the long-term cost. I think that once the droves of inexperienced players dies down, we're going to be left with a (slow) steady stream of new players (good), but primarily just cheaters and people evading server bans."

It's understandable there's issues within the community, as Team Fortress 2 was not free-to-play on day one. Were Valve to release a game with a free-to-play model on day one, the fervor would be less.

DOTA 2, anyone?

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i find it strange that we as a society have to put emphasis on paying monthly into a game which entertains us for a couple hours at a time. especially anything that has an online aspect to it. when it comes to technology and games. There will always be people trying to play a game for free. And heaven forbid that people do not make money on games, I guess that would mean people would end up going outside to play or maybe read a book. GASP! If people want to play then let them. what he made was something of his own choice, cause he chose to boot people who did not pay. There is always going to be players others do not like at all so what good will it do to cut down on the quality of the players. You will always get that kid who is 9 years old using their parents card who has access to online play and just kill someones buzz.

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@BitterAlmond Those items that don't alter the game at all sure are ruining it, hey?

I just don't get this sort of comment at all
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Server owners can do what they do.

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Games are ... fun?

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Good for him. Kick those mouth-breathing xboxLive scrubs who ditched their gold memberships so they could mooch off steam's generosity. F2P doesn't have to mean a lower caliber of game quality, but it always means a lower caliber of human quality.

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I don't mind that it's free-to-play, I mind the in-game Mann Co. store. I uninstalled that shit the day they tried to sell me a fucking hat. I was disgusted the day they turned a game I always saw as the perfect example of how to run a fun, functional online game into another korean-style microtransaction-powered cash cow. There ought to be a mod that kicks anyone who HAS purchased something from the TF2 store.

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@Shinobiolium said:

I'd say it's up to the private server owners. They pay for their own servers, so they get to do what they want on them. It's not like it'll have a huge impact seeing as how there are literally thousands of servers available for the public. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it is to have to continuously ban dozens people for item begging if I were an admin.

I don't particularly care about TF2, but I'd have to say that if I had to play tons of noobs in a game I had invested hundreds if not thousands of hours into I'd get pissed as well. Not sure that warrants essentially banning them all but I can kind of see where they're coming from.

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Never really cared about TF2 anyway.

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I'd say it's up to the private server owners. They pay for their own servers, so they get to do what they want on them. It's not like it'll have a huge impact seeing as how there are literally thousands of servers available for the public. I couldn't imagine how frustrating it is to have to continuously ban dozens people for item begging if I were an admin.

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What a douche... I play on official servers anyways ^__^

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Great article!
I dont mind F2P on Team Fortress, I've bought the game less than a year ago, I spent 13 euros on it and I haven't even played that much since. Its a great game, and Valve knows it and they like us to be pleased! It's the best company for pc gamers and we shouldn't complain, we should support them because they're the one of the few who still fully support us!

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Decided to edit since not all pc users are elitest pricks. 
 
Ahhh PC gaming creating elitest pricks since the 80's. 
How dare they not have instant god like skill with this game like I did I shall make it so they cannot play on my servers. 
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Meh, I bought it years ago. the $20 I paid for it doesn't matter to me now, and the influx of noobs that don't know ho to play can be fun, eh? :P
 
Also. I Was Here.

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when i heard that tf2 was going to be free, i was a little disappointed with that. i bought it for when it was on sale one time, but i also had it for xbox 360. the good it brings more players around.

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@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts.

You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice.

Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue.

There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. 

Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void.

Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
           


I freakin love this post. Well done, sir, and thanks for the laughs. No offence to Dooky or anything, but yeah... 
 
Anyway yes: F2P TF2 is a wonderful thing and I love it. The more the merrier, right? Although I do believe that a server owner can run his/her sever however the crap he/she pleases unless Valve says otherwise (such as if they put a stop to this mod, which I don't think they'll do). It's weird how this can almost be taken as a metaphor for politics and how one views government...The server owners are business owners and Valve are the powers that be! 
 
EDIT: Didn't mean for all that to be italicized at the top but it acts weird on my screen. Tried to remove it...I'll see if it works when I post. 
EDIT: Yeah nothing doing...
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@Dookysharpgun said:
@Tim_the_Corsair said:
@Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts. You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice. Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue. There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void. Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
And by the extension of your logic, shouldn't everyone have the same excuse for the way they talk? Again, totally and absolutely contradictory on your part, but I can see that arguing the point with you won't let you see that.  Also, if you're going to overuse words to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are, do so in manner that doesn't show that fact so transparently.    I actually admitted to playing a persona to get a rise out of a single individual who was blindly shooting down other people's opinions, without actually giving an opinion of their own, simply put, I may have been, perhaps, 'trolling' a single, ignorant individual, but where I come from, we do that to put a stop to them. And I did so. Mission accomplished.   But I digress, if I was to put this in a simple to read post, for chaps such as yourself, it would be this: People who support this, are petulant children, who corrupted a perfectly nice outreach action by a developer, something the industry needs right now, to bring more people into their fold. The only solace I take from this situation, is that PC gaming is a bubble that is fairly close to bursting, and when that happens, these people will be lucky if they can act like such greedy, pathetic individuals, as their worlds crash around their ankles, and the rest of us can get back to our lives of dealing with pricks who argue over what FPS is better. Intelligent adults? Seriously, isn't that a matter of perspective...and  I would say that it is an opinion. A poor opinion. That sentence simply seeks to get a rise out of me, in some way, shape or form, to prove the accuser, you,  right, in your own little way. It benefits no one else but you. And therefore, if I put your logic forward once again: does that not make you, the 'troll'? Btw I hate that term, it's thrown around way too much by kids these days! "Oh look, someone with a somewhat more radical opinion than my own, they must be a troll, or a lunatic!" The funny thing is, 'trolls' come along to piss a lot of people off. I just aim to piss the ignorant off so the rest of us can get back to debating the topic at hand. Because, you know....forums tend to be about that!  The truth be told, arguing with the likes of you is a lot of fun, you accuse and insult, because in some manner, my very existence has offended you in some way. I have no issue with that, but when you overlook underlying ideas that people could be raising, no matter what form they may take, you're actually just judging them and spitting on them from a moral high-horse. And to make matters even worse, the opinions I hold are the same as your own...so are you really saying that you dislike yourself? Or that someone has the nerve to share your opinions, but put them forward in a more vocal way? Besides, I've seen plenty of people of forums be shunned for making points everyone else might have had, but only because they said it in such a manner as to make the high-strung of said individuals dislike them, because they sullied their opinions.   You are clearly opinionated, with your own deeply rooted beliefs, and if you really thought I was so bad, that I am so ignorant and childish...why waste your time reading my posts, and replying to me, if you are so much better as a person,  because really, who describes themselves in a manner to people they don't think are worth a shit? Why did you feel the need to join in where other people just didn't give a shit, and left after they posted their opinions? What does that say about you, as a person? Someone like myself, we simply don't care, we argue the points, we get things done, and we move on. And I don't usually want or like saying this...but seriously dude, grow up, the picture you've painted of yourself cannot be taken seriously. I couldn't care less if you were the most polite man in the world, you're still not able to accept that people can, and always will have, different methods of getting their points across. Non-issue or not, this happened. IT HAPPENED. In this realm of reality, some people were so elitist, that they actually did this. For a videogame. Now that right there, complete and utter, sickening insanity. That is what I was talking about. You don't think it's a big issue, well good for you, you must feel so good about things then. But guess what? Other people, who actually back their opinions with more than 'kind' words and spineless talk, believe that this is disgusting, small matter or not. Maybe you are don't play consoles, and don't really keep up with the times, but to a lover of all consoles, hearing about something like this is still wrong, and deserves nothing less than a funny, well-structured, and entertaining insight of the world these people are coming from.  Why is that such a bad thing? But again, I digress, begin aging procedures, and realize that not everyone shares your old-school world view. Some of us are far too old for such a bobble-headedly optimistic world view.
...I think this wins for longest response post ever. I mean dear god why don't you both write a book on how much you hate each other
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@Tim_the_Corsair said:
@Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts. You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice. Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue. There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll. Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void. Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
And by the extension of your logic, shouldn't everyone have the same excuse for the way they talk? Again, totally and absolutely contradictory on your part, but I can see that arguing the point with you won't let you see that.
 
Also, if you're going to overuse words to make yourself seem more intelligent than you actually are, do so in manner that doesn't show that fact so transparently. 
 
I actually admitted to playing a persona to get a rise out of a single individual who was blindly shooting down other people's opinions, without actually giving an opinion of their own, simply put, I may have been, perhaps, 'trolling' a single, ignorant individual, but where I come from, we do that to put a stop to them. And I did so. Mission accomplished. 
 
But I digress, if I was to put this in a simple to read post, for chaps such as yourself, it would be this: People who support this, are petulant children, who corrupted a perfectly nice outreach action by a developer, something the industry needs right now, to bring more people into their fold. The only solace I take from this situation, is that PC gaming is a bubble that is fairly close to bursting, and when that happens, these people will be lucky if they can act like such greedy, pathetic individuals, as their worlds crash around their ankles, and the rest of us can get back to our lives of dealing with pricks who argue over what FPS is better.
 
Intelligent adults? Seriously, isn't that a matter of perspective...and  I would say that it is an opinion. A poor opinion. That sentence simply seeks to get a rise out of me, in some way, shape or form, to prove the accuser, you,  right, in your own little way. It benefits no one else but you. And therefore, if I put your logic forward once again: does that not make you, the 'troll'? Btw I hate that term, it's thrown around way too much by kids these days! "Oh look, someone with a somewhat more radical opinion than my own, they must be a troll, or a lunatic!" The funny thing is, 'trolls' come along to piss a lot of people off. I just aim to piss the ignorant off so the rest of us can get back to debating the topic at hand. Because, you know....forums tend to be about that!
 
The truth be told, arguing with the likes of you is a lot of fun, you accuse and insult, because in some manner, my very existence has offended you in some way. I have no issue with that, but when you overlook underlying ideas that people could be raising, no matter what form they may take, you're actually just judging them and spitting on them from a moral high-horse. And to make matters even worse, the opinions I hold are the same as your own...so are you really saying that you dislike yourself? Or that someone has the nerve to share your opinions, but put them forward in a more vocal way? Besides, I've seen plenty of people of forums be shunned for making points everyone else might have had, but only because they said it in such a manner as to make the high-strung of said individuals dislike them, because they sullied their opinions. 
 
You are clearly opinionated, with your own deeply rooted beliefs, and if you really thought I was so bad, that I am so ignorant and childish...why waste your time reading my posts, and replying to me, if you are so much better as a person,  because really, who describes themselves in a manner to people they don't think are worth a shit? Why did you feel the need to join in where other people just didn't give a shit, and left after they posted their opinions? What does that say about you, as a person? Someone like myself, we simply don't care, we argue the points, we get things done, and we move on. And I don't usually want or like saying this...but seriously dude, grow up, the picture you've painted of yourself cannot be taken seriously. I couldn't care less if you were the most polite man in the world, you're still not able to accept that people can, and always will have, different methods of getting their points across. Non-issue or not, this happened. IT HAPPENED. In this realm of reality, some people were so elitist, that they actually did this. For a videogame. Now that right there, complete and utter, sickening insanity. That is what I was talking about. You don't think it's a big issue, well good for you, you must feel so good about things then. But guess what? Other people, who actually back their opinions with more than 'kind' words and spineless talk, believe that this is disgusting, small matter or not. Maybe you are don't play consoles, and don't really keep up with the times, but to a lover of all consoles, hearing about something like this is still wrong, and deserves nothing less than a funny, well-structured, and entertaining insight of the world these people are coming from.  Why is that such a bad thing? But again, I digress, begin aging procedures, and realize that not everyone shares your old-school world view. Some of us are far too old for such a bobble-headedly optimistic world view.
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... I really, really dislike elitists.

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Wow, awesome story get Patrick!

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At first I couldn't understand why people were so butthurt over the whole F2P aspect. But after reading what the creator has to say I kind of understand. It's not like it's hard to become a premium player anyways. It's your own prerogative whether you want to or not. 
 
But it's not like the whole mod affects me in any way. I bought TF2 long ago.

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The elitist jerk in me fucking loves this.

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Asher Baker sounds like someone who will die a virgin lol

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I love the pretentious assholes who just act like the F2P has caused a noticeable decline in the skill and quality of the game. There have always been bad players of TF2 and there have always been many of them.
 
Some people just want to be special.

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I still think us former TF2 buyers should of got more besides a hat to prove our support for Valve and the Orange Box. I've been on Steam for six years now and I've got not much of a loyalty discount or anything despite that.

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As someone who has been playing Team Fortress 2 for years, I am very happy with Valve's decision to make the game free to play.
 
New, fresh meat coming in is the best thing that has happened to the game in a long, long time. Especially as dedicated servers have been running dry here in my home country. It's an absolute pleasure to help new people get into the game, and on the flip side, to be able to frag someone other than the same bunch of oaks I've been playing with for ages.

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And they wonder why there will never be world peace.

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In my honest opinion, TF2 going free to play is something pretty good. I've been playing since January 2008, and I had a lot of fun with the game itself. I do not wish though, to have beggars, cheaters or farmers. This wasn't meant to be a MMO and it should never be. I don't think the idea of putting a plug-in that bans free players should be bad, as long as is not widely expanded. Before they came out with the Mann Co. store, a friend of mine did a Hat plug-in that allowed everyone to wear whatever they pleased from the selection of official hats, or even custom ones by the community. However, Valve was quick to tell him to stop putting "official" hats in there. Because they wanted to sell them afterwards. So if this guy puts out this plug-in and it has success, more power to him.

People have the choice to join many, many servers today. You have from the most vanilla experience you could ever have through server plug-ins, to trading servers and even silly game modes like Saxton Hale mod. Valve should, however, release a pack of items for F2Pers, and sort of call it "upgrade to premium" instead of expecting everyone to acknowledge the fact that people know they can just use 5 bucks on the steam wallet and upgrade their accounts to non-Free to play. Because there's still a lot of people that think you cannot buy TF2 anymore and therefore, you're forced to be a F2Per.

More players, more fun, but the thing gets more saturated, has more scammers, more cheaters and overall creates a different ambient. At the point that people have to make plug-ins like this one just to avoid having their servers full 24/7 and the veterans going in like "hey, do I have to donate now to get a reserved slot because I can never join in anymore since 80 people were added to this community in a matter of days?". Not to mention most of us veterans didn't even have a training mode before, but now that F2Pers have it, they don't use it and instead ask how to do things all the time, or just think this is Counter-Strike: Source or some sort of deathmatch game where the only thing that matters is to have a high K/D ratio.

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Guess I'm a premium player since I got the game with the Orange Box years ago, not that I plan to play it anyway. I just wanted Episode 2 and Portal out of that box.

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Baker really does have a point. If not for just the basic conception of banning free players, I can only imagine others who would want to take it a lot further than that.

But it's sad to see a community to be so exclusive. I would be disappointed for any game to have a community like League of Legends.

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@kagekage said:
@monte said:
The people who started playing Team Fortress when it went free to play are just a bunch of little kids and teenagers who have no access to a credit card and can't buy stuff on line.
Wow, stereotyping much? That's honestly a pathetic and downright stupid generalization. You're probably a big fan of the game, why not support your opinion with a comment that has a hint of intelligence?  I'm with supporting this mod, I just hate stupid and bigoted comments like these, makes the whole cause seem stupid.
Yeah, I agree.    I mean possibly they didn't wanna sink  $20 into what  from its internet cred is a pretty hardcore shooter.   I see people all over still scared to play even with F2P just because they are nervous about being ostracized  by their peers for sucking or being a noob.   I'm not honestly opposed to this mod because as others have stated with the F2P model stopping cheaters could  become a issue if  Valve doesn't keep its eyes on  the ball here as there are no repercussions for cheating with a F2P model.
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@Gregomasta said:
I'm all for new players, playing for free.  I also think its fine for private servers to run whatever mods they want.
its rather fun playing with and helping the new players, it kind of brings fresh air into the game.  but im glad that some servers have this mod so when you want to play with more experience players
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I'm not upset at TF2 going F2P but I was worried about the burden on server operators. This plugin is a necessary evil.

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@zaglis said:
@Styl3s:   Hats, store, farming and new weapons are completely optional. Do you UNDERSTAND that? How can TF2 suddenly turn into garbage if its essentially the same game if you ignore the things you just listed. Seems to me like you are living in some sort of weird denial. You don't hate new content, but you do.  
This, pretty much.  As long as Valve doesn't turn TF2 into a pay-to-win thing and approaches it like Id/Bethesda with Quake Live, I don't get how this would effect even a single person.
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I'm all for new players, playing for free.  I also think its fine for private servers to run whatever mods they want.

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As stupid as it is to discriminate against the "freeloaders" I agree with allowing and ignoring the mod. It's a big sign that people can hang on their server saying "Douchebag alert" so you won't have to deal with as much discrimination and asshattery if you are F2P.  
 
The F2P thing is a positive thing as most smart players realize. It breathes new life into TF2. One of my all time favorite FPS' was F2P. I put so many goddamn hours in Wolfenstien Enemy Territiory.

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Good lord, its Heroes of Newerth all over again

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@Dookysharpgun Nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual" about my post. This is how I speak, whether it is in person or online, and I am generally polite even in situations where perhaps I shouldn't be. Furthermore, I read every comment in the thread upto the point where I posted, and have since caught up on everything posted since. I quoted that particular post as the one that highlighted what I was saying: your post was childish, as were your earlier and subsequent posts.

You are correct that I don't know Ygg - indeed, I don't know whether I've even posted in the same thread as him/her before. That is immaterial to the fact that absolutely nothing he said was out of line or even really contentious, even if we might have differed on a few points. You, however, were so forceful and willfully antagonistic in your rambling diatribes that it caught my notice.

Whether you and I share multiple beliefs on this topic or could even grow to be BFFs is completely immaterial to the matter at hand. You are freely admitting that you are playing a persona to get a rise out of people while simultaneously overreacting - and yes, you are overreacting enough that you are coming off as a raving lunatic - almost comically to well thought out, decent posts on a topic that is essentially a non-issue.

There is a name for people who play personas on the Internet while manipulating people into getting angry: Troll.

Now while I feel that word is tossed around too freely whenever someone has a differing point of view, the fact is that by playing a character for the purpose of causing anger, anything you have to say on this matter is rendered null and void.

Your method is not how intelligent adults argue a point; it's how ignorant ones do it.
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@MrKlorox said:

Fuck those guys in their rectums. Such people are why I don't play TF2.

They literally make up less than half of one percent of TF2.

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Fuck those guys in their rectums. Such people are why I don't play TF2.

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@Bummey said:

There are servers solely dedicated to trading items? That's some shit right there. The hats are becoming more important than playing the game itself.

Items are more than hats. And no, the hats are really not more important than playing the game, despite what people say.

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There are servers solely dedicated to trading items? That's some shit right there. The hats are becoming more important than playing the game itself.

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@Tim_the_Corsair: ....wow....this is really a case of the pot calling the kettle black isn't it? Taking a tone of a pseudo-intellectual who chastises others for coming off as 'standoffish' and 'childish', and you pull a quote clean out of context of the entire topic, and to top it all off, come off as defensive towards someone I'll assume you don't know, who let's just forget for one second was a total dick to multiple people, who really did have a 'holier than thou' attitude, believing that everyone was wrong in their opinions...which are opinions, but never forming any of his own. Now if you were to look at that in context, you'd see that calling me out on such things, actually seems a bit contradictory, given the situation I was debating in. But then again, that would require actually reading the entire thing. So I'm so very sorry that i didn't give you a manuscript of events that transpired here before you came along, I'll get right on that.
 
This is all very sad, because if you had continued to read my posts, you would have seen that I was, in fact, working a persona, which I usually do, to see people's reactions to certain views, radical or not, baiting that chap into submission, as he was actually high and mighty, and coming off as more of an impudent child than I've ever seen on forums before. I also began a discussion with a fella who was taking me far too seriously, when I was only joking. Not his fault, I'm just that good at what I do. I mean, people can post opinions yes? So why the hate towards people who form opinions? You have yours, and for the most part, I agree with you, although I think this kind of situation warrants closer observation of copies of games. It may be a far stretch, but a situation like this has never really come up. Strange times and all that jazz. How far are we willing to let people go with this type of business? And where exactly is the line? The ramifications for this may lead to better server management for all, but until then, this type of crap will happen, and I do think that this behavior should warrant a shunning from the community. It only seems fair. 
 
And your final point goes back to my first post. Do we really need this type of shit coming up at all? However it is elitism, pure and simple, by a group of individuals who are getting media coverage. Now despite your knowledge of TF2 and all it entails, when has the media ever given a rats ass about anything other than the story where a small group of individuals have caused trouble? As I mentioned, gaming has hit a stagnation, and overall we're looking at a desert wasteland in terms of games, new IPs and original thought. But people who pervert a rather lovely situation, whereby a developer makes a game free to play, given that nintendo are killing the Wii in the american market, and barely supporting it europe wise, and microsoft pushing for kinect in every game possible to recoup losses, along with a rather weak exclusive line, this is a nice thing for a company to do, to show it cares for its gamers. Whether you like it or not though, people know about this now, and they are pissed. This sullies what should have been a wondrous landmark in gaming, as a few bad eggs simply couldn't take a hit to their perfect world view. Surely, you can't deny that even with everything you know, looking from the outside perspective, this seems pretty damn bad. This will only add to the harsh views people have of PC gaming, and alienate those who were already a little skittish about entering the fray. I still have to say though, that when it all comes down to it, this entire situation, as I've said before, is silly. TF2 is a videogame. It's 4 years old and won't be getting any younger. I was never a fan, but I can see the appeal. But as far as this goes, all I can say is that this is a sad, sad situation, something that never should have come up. Despite how small it may be in scale, it still happened, there can be no denying that. That is why people are up-in-arms about this. The venom the F2P situation was met with was localized, but it was still a pretty nasty scenario. There are different perspectives for this, an for the average joe, this is just wrong. I will say though, that server mods have been known to abuse power, rules and the like, and that maybe we need to consolidate servers within the companies providing the experience. It isn't ideal, but until we can stomp out the last of this entitlement issues and power fantasy bullshit, it might be necessary. 
 
See, you actually have opinions, so I addressed them, in what can only be described as a nice manner, given the circumstances. Aren't I just that nice? Still, I will say that I did have a few more posts before and after that one, I'd advise you to look at them and see just how similar some of our opinions are. But again, don't forget, you know things about TF2, and that is grand, but to people who aren't familiar with PC gaming, they view this as more than a little dickish on a small group of individuals part. They don't know just what that means, so be gentle, they don't deserve a reply of pure bile. That is the type of person I am defending, and the type of person I'm trying to relate to others through my posts.
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All of you can just have fun eating it.  I want no part in buffet brimming with BS.
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@monte said:
The people who started playing Team Fortress when it went free to play are just a bunch of little kids and teenagers who have no access to a credit card and can't buy stuff on line.
Wow, stereotyping much? That's honestly a pathetic and downright stupid generalization. 
You're probably a big fan of the game, why not support your opinion with a comment that has a hint of intelligence?  
I'm with supporting this mod, I just hate stupid and bigoted comments like these, makes the whole cause seem stupid.
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I don't care that it is free, that is just cool. I hate that there is a store in it that u can buy weapons from. Been saying it since they put the store on the main page when u start the game.

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Interesting to hear his side, but I doubt it'll be widely used in the first place.

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these articles are awesome!

I bought some hats since I got the game for free. Need to support the community

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There are perfectly good servers, frequented by perfectly nice people that don't run the Free2BeKicked Mod.... This includes the Giantbomb/Tested TF2 server. 
 
Yeah sure it can be frustrating losing because you have a few newbies on your team, but that's just going to happen when you play in public servers with random people. It's just going to happen more frequently because it's now F2P.

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This guy is a complete idiot. TF2 going F2P is the best thing that could happen to TF2 in a long time.

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Feh. F2P players usually aren't in it for the long haul anyway. They're there to check things out, play a few games...and then they'll leave. They'll probably only be back in "spurts", to see what's changed every couple of months. You TF2 players are making too big a sh** out of this. Just ask most Quake Live or Battlefield Heroes players.