Ok so just finished my first playthrough of dead space, and omg i loved every second, definately going through it a few more times.

Sir, you just blew my mind.

"Sir, you just blew my mind."

I thought we all knew this by now.

LOL  I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT!

Dude. GOOD find.

"Dude. GOOD find."

Well, it just means that now we have a pretty good confirmation that Nicole is in fact dead.  The big question now is whether the Nicole that we kept seeing in front of us was a manifestation of the Marker, or if it was actually Nicole infected by something from the Necromorphs...or whatever.

"Dude. GOOD find."

Nicole is probably a psychic image projected by the marker, as follows the lore of Dead Space: Downfall / Animated Comic Issue 1-6, that manipulates the humans into doing the Marker's will.

Taking the final vidlog in the game as "evidence" (really, what is evidence in a future where we got stasis slinging kinetic charging engineers? Photoshop; End) we do see her kill herself, in accordance to the inhabitents of the colony prior to the arrival of the Ishimura. 28 (?) or so suicides after the marker was recovered, and after it was transfered, some +20 unitologists commit mass suicide. The colony's doctor starts to have strange visions of his loved ones, along with the Rev. Abbot of the Unitologist group.

Most likely the Marker is a sentient being itself, which would account for it's glowing runes, or an eletronic device that can transmit frequencies that affect the human mind/psyché - However, I would argue that the first is more of a posibility because of the Marker's alternating motives through-out the lore.

We see in Downfall that the Marker repels the necromorphs (unlike in the game, atleast that we know of) and the Necropmorphs attempts to keep the Marker away from their planet. Another theory is that the Hivemind & The Marker both have some kind of psychic energy able to effect the human psyché, which would account for the mixed messeges of the "ghosts" of past loved-ones.

It might even be posible, knowing that the Marker was placed on Aegis 7 some +150 years ago, that it was a lush planet with organic life, hence why the Necromorphs would emerge and the Hivemind exists, as we can se they cannot be created out of nothing, but needs a host of some form, varying on the species. Thus it would hint that the Marker is a biological weapon developed by -insert future sequel evil company- as a means of controlling a viral organism that is pratically unbeatable and more adapt than human beings.


Anywho, some part time speculation. Still missing some logs so don't have a complete overview of it all yet.

Theorymachine rules all.

"Nicole is probably a psychic image projected by the marker, as follows the lore of Dead Space: Downfall / Animated Comic Issue 1-6, that manipulates the humans into doing the Marker's will.

Taking the final vidlog in the game as "evidence" (really, what is evidence in a future where we got stasis slinging kinetic charging engineers? Photoshop; End) we do see her kill herself, in accordance to the inhabitents of the colony prior to the arrival of the Ishimura. 28 (?) or so suicides after the marker was recovered, and after it was transfered, some +20 unitologists commit mass suicide. The colony's doctor starts to have strange visions of his loved ones, along with the Rev. Abbot of the Unitologist group.

Most likely the Marker is a sentient being itself, which would account for it's glowing runes, or an eletronic device that can transmit frequencies that affect the human mind/psyché - However, I would argue that the first is more of a posibility because of the Marker's alternating motives through-out the lore.

We see in Downfall that the Marker repels the necromorphs (unlike in the game, atleast that we know of) and the Necropmorphs attempts to keep the Marker away from their planet. Another theory is that the Hivemind & The Marker both have some kind of psychic energy able to effect the human psyché, which would account for the mixed messeges of the "ghosts" of past loved-ones.

It might even be posible, knowing that the Marker was placed on Aegis 7 some +150 years ago, that it was a lush planet with organic life, hence why the Necromorphs would emerge and the Hivemind exists, as we can se they cannot be created out of nothing, but needs a host of some form, varying on the species. Thus it would hint that the Marker is a biological weapon developed by -insert future sequel evil company- as a means of controlling a viral organism that is pratically unbeatable and more adapt than human beings.


Anywho, some part time speculation. Still missing some logs so don't have a complete overview of it all yet.

Theorymachine rules all."

Great find. But we do see Nicole kill herself. What we see is a halucination caused by the marker and the Hive Mind, from what I get they are somewhat connected. What least that's what I got from Nicole saying "make as whole again". It was to return the Marker to the Hive Mind (talking to you through Nicole) so it could be at peace again, or something of the kind.

That ending... It could be just Nicole's corpse turned into a Necromorph that just happened to suddenly be into the shutter... I don't know, honestly I think it's mostly likely the ends of all those cliché horror movies... everyone has to die in the end (you know the drill, everything seems fine and in the last 10 seconds they die. I hate this kind of ending). It doesn't rally have an explanation, just BOO!, the end.

I find it insulting to think that Nicole's corpse just happened to be the only one to have specific human resemblance, and just happened to be waiting in or around or near the shuttle.  It does ring nicely with that whole "I wish I could see you again, at least once more..." line, but come on...

More likely Issac went insane from what he had seen.  I mean, if we're going to imply even the smallest amount of reason here, seeing what Issac saw, and feeling that kind of fear would drive any human being totally insane, no ifs ands or buts.

I think you guys look too far anyway.

Anyone alove on that ship have seen ghosts at one point or another, someone close to them.

Nicole is clearly Isaac's ghost. And the ending is probably just a metaphor to say he just snapped or somethin.

But that find is awesome man, i loled.

"I find it insulting to think that Nicole's corpse just happened to be the only one to have specific human resemblance, and just happened to be waiting in or around or near the shuttle.  It does ring nicely with that whole "I wish I could see you again, at least once more..." line, but come on...

More likely Issac went insane from what he had seen.  I mean, if we're going to imply even the smallest amount of reason here, seeing what Issac saw, and feeling that kind of fear would drive any human being totally insane, no ifs ands or buts.

"

I assume someone on board the ship edited his video from Nicole so that he would ...  have motivation throughout the game?  Now that you mention it I can't think of a good reason why it was cut short.  He wasn't insane before they got there.

The thing that makes the most sense to me is that the marker survived the collision and had a hallucination of Nicole attack Issac.  We see near the end of the game as the marker implies it's power over Issac's mind that computer monitors etc are emitting strange feedback with runes*apparently from the marker* appearing in all the screens, implying the marker is deeply mucking with your mind.

If you watch the video just after Nicole attacks clearly the screen is filled with those same reddish looking runes.  You have to imagine the monolith would be PO'd at Issac.   

"I assume someone on board the ship edited his video from Nicole so that he would ...  have motivation throughout the game?  Now that you mention it I can't think of a good reason why it was cut short.  He wasn't insane before they got there.

The thing that makes the most sense to me is that the marker survived the collision and had a hallucination of Nicole attack Issac.  We see near the end of the game as the marker implies it's power over Issac's mind that computer monitors etc are emitting strange feedback with runes*apparently from the marker* appearing in all the screens, implying the marker is deeply mucking with your mind.

If you watch the video just after Nicole attacks clearly the screen is filled with those same reddish looking runes.  You have to imagine the monolith would be PO'd at Issac.   "

The way I see it...

Frankly it seems like the marker is a being with a will of it's own, and it's the marker that wants you to bring it back, not the necromorphs.    The last thing they want is for you to replace the marker, as evident by the massive assaults.  If the hivemind wanted you to bring the marker back, it wouldn't attack you in the colony.  The marker kept you safe in those moments you had it in place, but sadly that didn't last long, and the hivemind escaped.  The marker might just be a goodish alien being completely seperate of the necromorphs who wants to keep them under control.  Think Forerunners and The Flood.

ahh this is fustrating..hmm.... What we learn so far:

Nicole is dead....and from what i believe,she cant be a necro,due to the fact that she has so much human resemblance aend her eye is red? i  have to say a manifestation of the marker....but now the question is. Is Issac still alive? And oh yea,can anyone explain to me what is the hivemind ,im confuse..

The Hive minds origins are debatable.  It's either

A) A result of the infection, and is a bunch of bodies fused together by Necromorphic mutation. 

B) A pet of the Earth Government?  Perhaps patient Zero, the original source of the infection once the marker was removed and the beast was free.

Long story short the Hive Mind is the "queen" of the necromorphs, it controls the actions of all necromorphs because they are all one big consciousness.  Imagine if you and I were the exact same person with the exact same thoughts, but we both had our own bodies.  It's the general Patton of the Necromorph forces.  


EDIT:  Apparently the Hive Mind is the result of human researchers from about 200 years ago who accidentally created and unleashed the necro virus.  I'm assuming there was a colony on that planet hundreds of years before hand that was wiped out by Necros?  It makes you wonder how the Hive mind got controlled by the marker...

"Dude. GOOD find."

Unitologists have a bizarre sense of religion.  They want to bring the marker to earth, but at the same time they want to mass suicide and ascend.

"Unitologists have a bizarre sense of religion.  They want to bring the marker to earth, but at the same time they want to mass suicide and ascend.

"

To be honest Unitology was just too damn similar to another religion for me.  When they mentioned powerful members of the church, and being required to pay money to the church to move up in it's ranks I was rolling my eyes.

Unitology is a lie. They've been sent by the marker to get the marker.

"To be honest Unitology was just too damn similar to another religion for me.  When they mentioned powerful members of the church, and being required to pay money to the church to move up in it's ranks I was rolling my eyes."

k....so was the big boss at the end of the game the hivemind?

I was referring to Scientology, the obvious inspiration for Unitology.

Yup, the big creature was the Hive Mind.

I think the next game will only get better. There are hints of what could be in the story logs. For instance, we know the church has another marker. We know the Unitologists have known about the Necromorphs. We know they have a massive fleet of "Mausoleum ships" where they are keeping the bodies of church members. We know that Issac's father is missing and was a ship builder and his mom was deep into the church. Lots of lingering questions about the game remain, but I think the story has a lot of room to evolve into a great trilogy.
I think the next game will have Issac (probably survived) or a new character investigate the "mausoleum ship" fleet where we will find a whole ship of church controlled necromorphs. They are building an army for something, that something could lead into third game.

"I was referring to Scientology, the obvious inspiration for Unitology.

Yup, the big creature was the Hive Mind.

"

"I think the next game will only get better. There are hints of what could be in the story logs. For instance, we know the church has another marker. We know the Unitologists have known about the Necromorphs. We know they have a massive fleet of "Mausoleum ships" where they are keeping the bodies of church members. We know that Issac's father is missing and was a ship builder and his mom was deep into the church. Lots of lingering questions about the game remain, but I think the story has a lot of room to evolve into a great trilogy.
I think the next game will have Issac (probably survived) or a new character investigate the "mausoleum ship" fleet where we will find a whole ship of church controlled necromorphs. They are building an army for something, that something could lead into third game."

"I think the next game will only get better. There are hints of what could be in the story logs. For instance, we know the church has another marker. We know the Unitologists have known about the Necromorphs. We know they have a massive fleet of "Mausoleum ships" where they are keeping the bodies of church members. We know that Issac's father is missing and was a ship builder and his mom was deep into the church. Lots of lingering questions about the game remain, but I think the story has a lot of room to evolve into a great trilogy.
I think the next game will have Issac (probably survived) or a new character investigate the "mausoleum ship" fleet where we will find a whole ship of church controlled necromorphs. They are building an army for something, that something could lead into third game."

"super_machine said:

"I think the next game will only get better. There are hints of what could be in the story logs. For instance, we know the church has another marker. We know the Unitologists have known about the Necromorphs. We know they have a massive fleet of "Mausoleum ships" where they are keeping the bodies of church members. We know that Issac's father is missing and was a ship builder and his mom was deep into the church. Lots of lingering questions about the game remain, but I think the story has a lot of room to evolve into a great trilogy.
I think the next game will have Issac (probably survived) or a new character investigate the "mausoleum ship" fleet where we will find a whole ship of church controlled necromorphs. They are building an army for something, that something could lead into third game."

Don't forget they have a movie planned to bridge the first and second game. They're just looking for a director apparently."

"get2sammyb said:

"super_machine said:

"I think the next game will only get better. There are hints of what could be in the story logs. For instance, we know the church has another marker. We know the Unitologists have known about the Necromorphs. We know they have a massive fleet of "Mausoleum ships" where they are keeping the bodies of church members. We know that Issac's father is missing and was a ship builder and his mom was deep into the church. Lots of lingering questions about the game remain, but I think the story has a lot of room to evolve into a great trilogy.
I think the next game will have Issac (probably survived) or a new character investigate the "mausoleum ship" fleet where we will find a whole ship of church controlled necromorphs. They are building an army for something, that something could lead into third game."

Don't forget they have a movie planned to bridge the first and second game. They're just looking for a director apparently."

If its uwe bolle then we owe it to Isaac to hunt Uwe down and kill him"

I bet now is the point that a member of EA Redwood releases a press release saying that the sentence the Chapter titles make just happens to be coincidence ^_^;

So you have not been listening at all?Nicole was a HALLUCINATION remember kendra saying she seen her brother but he was dead for ages and he waved at her?At the end i dont know though,what I think is it was also a hallucination.I don't know.

Also about the point of issac stopping the vid,there was alot of static when he stopped it remember?Naturally you end it or change it when ther static on the radio or tv right?

holy shit nicole is dead, hahahahaha blew me away never seen that (but i wasnt exactly ever talking about or looking up information on the game, just played it loved and that was it)

"holy shit nicole is dead, hahahahaha blew me away never seen that (but i wasnt exactly ever talking about or looking up information on the game, just played it loved and that was it)"

sweet

Yeh I heard about the chapter naming thing. I never noticed when I played it myself though. Good pick up.