Well he does refer to 'you weak humans'.

I think the plant had taken control of him and turned him into that!
 
I really dont want to read much into a DP plot!

One thing I'm still confused about, what is the actual point of turning people into trees? It seems like they just die, and serve no further purpose. There has to be easier ways to kill people.

" @sixghost: I think that killing the "host" was the only way to get a sapling of the red tree. "

Hey Zach, remember that case we were on? The one where the college professor cut open those girls?
From the chest, right down to the crotch. And remember who he said told him to do it? That's right, Zach. Aliens.
 
Also I can't believe nobody really paid much attention to the fact that George had red trees growing in his front garden.

" Hey Zach, remember that case we were on? The one where the college professor cut open those girls? From the chest, right down to the crotch. And remember who he said told him to do it? That's right, Zach. Aliens.  Also I can't believe nobody really paid much attention to the fact that George had red trees growing in his front garden. "

Toward the end there, I can't believe it, but I actually forgot about F K being in the coffee.

Jason?

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" Well he does refer to 'you weak humans'. "

Yeah, that and the huge fucking plant that comes out of his head. "

Was anyone else thrown off that Michael had the same finger-waggin animation as the raincoat killer?

Also I made a connection for a sec between Zach's mum saying "Kill me" and all the zombies saying "Kill me". As if it was all in Zach's head, cobbled together from traumatizing memories.
But then I remembered that the zombies also say "Don't want to die". So I guess the zombies are just nothing to do with anything.

All the George stuff was pretty obvious. I was shocked that the guys didn't make a big deal of his license plate and the red trees on his house!
 
Aside from the initial Kaysen stuff - the red trees,FK in the coffee - I didn't think he was the main culprit. I had for a long time assumed he was just a pawn in all of this, possibly being used by the others for the seeds.etc. This idea was further supported by the dreams with Diane holding the Kaysen doll.
 
It wasn't until the Emily,Kaysen and Willie chase sequence that I really concluded that Kaysen was in fact the major player. While to some it just seemed like more of the elongated goofiness that we'd all come to expect from DP I felt that there was more to it. The scene was punctuated by conversations between Kaysen and Emily which surprisingly were not about finding York but about Kaysen himself. The game devoted quite a lot of exposition to Kaysen's backstory which didn't really seem necessary at the time but performed some important functions in the grand scheme of things.It hinted at Kaysen's greater involvement by developing him as a character and built a trust between Kaysen and Emily.During those conversations with the ridiculous music I couldn't help but feel that the developer was foreshadowing something. It was really a calm before the storm for their relationship,a really interesting device - establish scenes of happiness between the pair in order to add emphasis to the horror and betrayal of what was to come.
The awkward way Kaysen spoke to York when he was bringing Emily to the hospital confirmed this beyond all doubt. While on the surface it appeared to be goofy ol' Kaysen being goofy ol' Kaysen once again it really was Kaysen cajoling and mocking York in a way.He was saying ''sure you can go after George and take care of him but aggreeing to leave your beloved Emily with me will lead you to much greater trauma and torment.'' Is was as if he was insulting York's deductive skills and ultimately punishing him for his lack of awareness/foresight.

All those things were exactly what drew me away from suspecting Kaysen. Right at the start of the game, when he was in the coffee and he sold seeds n carried that little red tree around I thought OH WELL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE GUY BEHIND IT ALL, but then they went so so long without mentioning all the obvious Kaysen stuff that I just got used to it and thought of him as an obvious bluff.

there is a room for interpretation.
I'll give you clue, "kaysen doll/fat man, Washington building". 

" All those things were exactly what drew me away from suspecting Kaysen. Right at the start of the game, when he was in the coffee and he sold seeds n carried that little red tree around I thought OH WELL THAT'S OBVIOUSLY THE GUY BEHIND IT ALL, but then they went so so long without mentioning all the obvious Kaysen stuff that I just got used to it and thought of him as an obvious bluff. "

What the fuck Polly did you not notice how everyone in the town grew old except Kaysen??

" Hey Zach, remember that case we were on? The one where the college professor cut open those girls? From the chest, right down to the crotch. And remember who he said told him to do it? That's right, Zach. Aliens.  Also I can't believe nobody really paid much attention to the fact that George had red trees growing in his front garden. "

so this is a better version of the happening?

i called it would be kaysen when trophyhunter started a thread. 

I figured Kaysen was possessed by some kind of ancient Lovecraftian god-being that wanted nothing more than to sow death and destruction and perhaps used the seeds (or created the seeds) to help further it's goals. Kaysen is immortal only because he is just a shell for an Old One, essentially.
 
Also Zach was the only one who could beat him because he is already crazy and been sheltered in the "white room" for years.

" I figured Kaysen was possessed by some kind of ancient Lovecraftian god-being that wanted nothing more than to sow death and destruction and perhaps used the seeds (or created the seeds) to help further it's goals. Kaysen is immortal only because he is just a shell for an Old One, essentially.  Also Zach was the only one who could beat him because he is already crazy and been sheltered in the "white room" for years. "

So did all the other red seed cases end with invincible plant monsters or what? They clearly never caught anyone on the previous cases.

" Toward the end there, I can't believe it, but I actually forgot about F K being in the coffee. "

In the beginning of the game in the Red Room you have to examine dolls spread out on a map of the United States. All the dolls are of Kaysen in different suits.

" So did all the other red seed cases end with invincible plant monsters or what? They clearly never caught anyone on the previous cases. "

" @I_smell said:

" So did all the other red seed cases end with invincible plant monsters or what? They clearly never caught anyone on the previous cases. "

They caught the guys who performed the murders. They didn't catch Kaysen though, so he just kept going around the country telling people about the seeds. He convinced the others to perform the murders. "

" @LordAndrew said:

" @I_smell said:

" So did all the other red seed cases end with invincible plant monsters or what? They clearly never caught anyone on the previous cases. "

They caught the guys who performed the murders. They didn't catch Kaysen though, so he just kept going around the country telling people about the seeds. He convinced the others to perform the murders. "

Did they not think to question those guys?? "

It's not that hard to believe that the other murderers didn't have severe mommy-issues that caused them to break down and spill their guts while they were in their third nigh-invincible form...

...And knowing the effects the seeds have on people, it's pretty likely that they would have been shot when discovered...

That's great and all... but where is BR-40??