Adam Sessler: 3 out of 5

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#1 Edited by SagaciousJones (143 posts) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRyN6qUZ9Mc&list=WL28EFF34FD231AB0F

Likes:

-Fast dynamic combat

-More accessible than previous DMCs

Dislikes

-Story is inspid

-Writing is embarassing

-Later levels are lacking

Glad to see a proper honest critique from a respectable gaming journalist. Pretty much every other mainstream review site is blindly praising the "bold energetic" redesign.

Some choice quotes:

"A main character who, while original, is every bit an empty adolescent power fantasy. Hell may not be other people; it may be just spending 15 hours with him."

"To be fair, Ninja Theory has made this the most understandable DMC game, but it works to the game's disadvantage because it highlights how uninteresting it is."

"Nearly every line of dialog set my teeth on edge. It's adolescent, it's puerile, and it's nowhere near as sassy and clever as the game thinks it is."

"A good game lost in a juvenile tantrum. It may be acceptable to a unique demographic, but for many others, it's a game you might want to play when no-one else is around."

And since I've played the demo to see just how shallow the combat is (maybe it's impressive to people who play God of War or something), I've had pretty much every one of my biased expectations confirmed. Thanks Ninja Theory!

#2 Posted by psylah (2167 posts) -

FUCK YOU

#3 Posted by JJOR64 (18939 posts) -

SHIT ITS DMC 2 ALL OVER AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

#4 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

#5 Posted by drag (1223 posts) -

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

#6 Posted by CaptainTightPants (2834 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

See here for your answer:

@drag said:

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

#7 Posted by Fallen189 (4972 posts) -
@SagaciousJones said:


Glad to see a proper honest critique from a respectable gaming journalist. Pretty much every other mainstream review site is blindly praising the "bold energetic" redesign. 

 
What is that even meant to mean
#8 Edited by tyler1285 (175 posts) -
#9 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

@CaptainTightPants said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

See here for your answer:

@drag said:

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

Ahh that clears it up. Thank you both!

#10 Edited by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

@TheSouthernDandy said:

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

Because DmC is objectively a bad game, duh! Anyone who likes it is being slipped a little somin somin under the table. But seriously, though, this thread... now this is some adolescent, puerile nonsense right here.

It's not like I'm saying everybody must adhere to the changes and like the game, but the way certain individuals like the OP have gone about their comical distaste for this game is embarrassing, and somewhat hilarious, to watch. I also like how he deals in extremes calling the combat in this new one to be shallow, also judging solely by what he's played in the demo. It may not be as complex as DMC3/DMC4, but by not matching those heights that shouldn't automatically make it some shallow button masher instead.

As stated in the very OP, even Sessler himself, while not the biggest fan of some of its aspects, enjoyed the combat.

#11 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@CaptainTightPants said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

See here for your answer:

@drag said:

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

And with this post, the thread is over.

#12 Posted by Oldirtybearon (4664 posts) -

Sessler's a middle aged guy who is tired of juvenile stuff. This new DmC, the old DMC, both were pretty juvenile and youthful games that attempted to highlight and embiggen different aspects of youth. Sess-Money just doesn't give a shit about that at this point in his life. He's too busy trying to be a grown up.

That's not to disparage him or his opinion, mind. As far as Sess-Money is concerned, it's a matter of his tastes in fiction and feelings on the necessity of "maturity" just don't align with my own.

Also I watched the review and he never once said the gameplay was bad. His major sticking points were the juvenile writing. Fair enough.

#13 Posted by fox01313 (5069 posts) -

Always enjoyed reading/watching the reviews from Adam on G4 so thrilled to see this.

#14 Posted by Vashyron (199 posts) -

OMG, because everyone who doesn't like a game you don't like is an honest critiquer and doesn't let their own personal opinions influence how they respond to games and everyone who likes games you don't like are drinking the kool-aid!!!!!!!!

#15 Posted by RazielCuts (2943 posts) -

I'm all for games being considered art but I don't think you can hold every game under the same microscope if that's not what they're setting out to do.

#16 Posted by Abendlaender (2779 posts) -

3 out of 5 despite Dante having black hair right now? Shame on you Sessler, shame on you!

Should be more like -10 out of 5!!

#17 Posted by project343 (2816 posts) -

@SagaciousJones said:

Glad to see a proper honest critique from a respectable gaming journalist. Pretty much every other mainstream review site is blindly praising the "bold energetic" redesign.

You come off like a complete ass for saying something like that. Making assumptions about the intentions and motivations of game critics is such a forum-troll-y thing to do. You are disregarding other opinions (calling them 'blind' and questioning their 'respectability') so that you can reaffirm your own opinion.

Everything that I've seen in this video review (footage-wise) gives me the impression that this is more a Devil May Cry that I may actually enjoy--moving away from the overly-Japanese-anime meets metalhead-headbanging aesthetic (something that I've always found to be a complete put-off). It does look more energetic. Those environments are fucking beautiful looking, the colour palette is refreshingly varied, and the disorienting invasion of supernatural into reality seems so dynamic and fresh. Calling it 'bold and energetic' seems like one of the most obvious things to say about it.

Hopefully we won't see you slandering Brad as a paid-off herd-follower if he calls it the 'best-in-series.'

#18 Posted by august (3833 posts) -

My prediction: Brad gives the game 4 stars and we NEVER HEAR THE END OF THIS CRIME

#19 Posted by SagaciousJones (143 posts) -

I didn't mean to imply that other publications are being dishonest in their positive reviews, just that I admire Sessler for not being to afraid to honestly voice a strongly negative opinion.

Still, it's not surprising seeing all of the same sites that gave The Old Republic perfect scores giving out 9s and 8s to DMC. It's the reason I have to come to special sites like this or seek out the good voices like Sessler to get a real reflection of what a game will be like.

#20 Posted by TheSouthernDandy (3844 posts) -

I dunno after watching that review none of the dialogue they show as examples seems as eye rolling-ly terrible as Sess makes it out to be. Might not have been his thing but doesn't seem actively bad from what little I've seen.

#21 Posted by Pr1mus (3855 posts) -

@Video_Game_King said:

@CaptainTightPants said:

@TheSouthernDandy said:

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm just curious what makes Sess-money right and every other review who liked it wrong?

See here for your answer:

@drag said:

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

And with this post, the thread is over.

I would even consider the thread over after the first reply!

@psylah said:

FUCK YOU

#22 Posted by Video_Game_King (36272 posts) -

@SagaciousJones said:

I didn't mean to imply that other publications are being dishonest in their positive reviews, just that I admire Sessler for not being to afraid to honestly voice a strongly negative opinion.

Because it takes sooo much courage to have a strong negative opinion on a major video game release. I mean, it's not every day that you see somebody complain about Mass Effect 3 or Grand Theft Auto IV or Borderlands 2 or Assassin's Creed III or Far Cry 3 or anything like that. It takes true bravery to say nasty things about such games.

#23 Posted by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

@SagaciousJones said:

I didn't mean to imply that other publications are being dishonest in their positive reviews, just that I admire Sessler for not being to afraid to honestly voice a strongly negative opinion.

A 3 star game is ''strongly negative''?

@RazielCuts said:

I'm all for games being considered art but I don't think you can hold every game under the same microscope if that's not what they're setting out to do.

I agree. It's a good review, but that line was a bit unfair. If anything it's like he's taking the stance of the mainstream news press and how they'll cherry pick the dumber, more OTT examples to prove their point about how immature video games are. With that sort of mindset, I suppose film must also be completely exempt from being viewed as art because there's a film out there called Zombie Strippers about... well, zombie strippers.

#24 Posted by project343 (2816 posts) -

@SagaciousJones said:

I didn't mean to imply that other publications are being dishonest in their positive reviews, just that I admire Sessler for not being to afraid to honestly voice a strongly negative opinion.

Still, it's not surprising seeing all of the same sites that gave The Old Republic perfect scores giving out 9s and 8s to DMC. It's the reason I have to come to special sites like this or seek out the good voices like Sessler to get a real reflection of what a game will be like.

Most of those perfect scores reviewed the leveling experience of The Old Republic. That leveling experience is, by most accounts, spectacularly well-produced. The negativity comes in when we talk about the missing/buggy (at the time) end-game. Those reviews are not 'wrong.'

#25 Posted by RE_Player1 (7557 posts) -

I'm so done with giving specific reviews their own thread.

#26 Posted by SagaciousJones (143 posts) -

@Yummylee said:

A 3 star game is ''strongly negative''?

Sessler thinks the gameplay's good enough to justify that much, but there's aspects of the game he obviously loathes. You can't look at those quotes I picked and not say otherwise.

Also, Sessler is fair to make the complaint about the standards of art because that's how NT (Tameem, specifically) has been painting the game--as this big artistic statement about society wrapped up in an action game. Have you not seen any of his interviews?

#27 Posted by Gravier251 (217 posts) -

As someone who has played every Devil May Cry game to date, I was beginning to feel tired of Dante after 4. He had no redeeming qualities. That entire game was him handing a cult the sword Sparda so they can kill countless innocent people and give him a chance to show off and crack underwhelming one-liners.

The reboot has enjoyable combat, some really great, enjoyable visual design. And there are good character moments along with Dante growing as a character and having a few rather powerful "oh, wow, I actually care about these characters and what happens to them" moments. (Mission 12 for one) Which never really occured with Dante + interchangeable female sidekick 1-3.

I enjoyed the new take on Devil May Cry, it might be my favourite entry in the series even. I want to see Ninja Theory carry on with the license. But what do I know, i've only played the whole game through once on Nephilim difficulty and the first chapter on Dante Must Die beyond that thus far. Along with having heavily played the series over the years. I must be objectively wrong in my opinion though and Ninja Theory are bribing me.

#28 Posted by FourWude (2261 posts) -

HAI YOU GAIZ!! I FOUND A REVIEW THAT AGREES WITH MY OPINION. THIS IS THE ONE TRUE REVIEW ABOVE ALL OTHERS.

#29 Posted by Demoskinos (14722 posts) -

And what is wrong with liking juvenile things every once in awhile? I feel like some people are try-hards when it comes to trying to present themselves as an "adult"

#30 Posted by RobertOrri (1121 posts) -

Sessler tends to be a bit tougher on things than most reviewers, I'll give him that. I've never cared much about this series so I have no stake in it, only played the first game.

Looks like Ninja Theory might have managed to craft a good game after all. I liked Enslaved but it fell short in some parts, and Heavenly Sword I thought was... lacking.

I still think the new Dante is awful.

#31 Posted by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

@SagaciousJones said:

@Yummylee said:

A 3 star game is ''strongly negative''?

Sessler thinks the gameplay's good enough to justify that much, but there's aspects of the game he obviously loathes. You can't look at those quotes I picked and not say otherwise.

Also, Sessler is fair to make the complaint about the standards of art because that's how NT (Tameem, specifically) has been painting the game--as this big artistic statement about society wrapped up in an action game. Have you not seen any of his interviews?

No, but I wouldn't care. I've never went into a DMC game expecting artistic expression and I'm not going to start now. Tameem may have most likely failed with his attempts to tell a meaningful story, but the environments are still going to look fantastic and the combat is still looking to be fun so whatever.

#32 Posted by Lucifer (263 posts) -

I don't want to be the "score guy" here, but Adam gave DMC4 the same 3 star score while working at G4, the same score DmC got.

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/20131/devil-may-cry-4-review/

He probably finds them to be roughly the same quality, and I think he just isn't too high on this franchise period.

#33 Posted by Yummylee (21467 posts) -

Haha.

#34 Posted by Bocam (3705 posts) -

He also says in the review that DmC will be a polarizing game.

#35 Posted by SuperWristBands (2266 posts) -

In reference to the writing he says: "video game equivalent of a teenager saying "meh"". That's pretty funny to me.

There was a moment a few months ago where I thought I would buy this game new. The interest past pretty quickly so I'll probably pick it up at a later date if it goes down in price.

#36 Posted by frankfartmouth (1016 posts) -

I see what he's saying. I'm only a few years younger than Sessler, and I've found myself reacting similarly towards some of the same stuff. Sometimes the juvenile writing in certain games is kind of fun, and sometimes it's cringe-inducing. It just depends. A lot of gamers are crossing into their forties now, and there are tons in their late twenties and thirties, so I suppose it's a complaint you'll hear more and more.

I'm still gonna get this though. I've always liked DMC. And it's not like the writing was anything marvelous in any of the other ones.

#37 Posted by Cincaid (2955 posts) -

I think what I hate the most are people who write DmC, and not DMC.

I'll crawl back under my rock now.

#38 Posted by Pr1mus (3855 posts) -

@Cincaid said:

I think what I hate the most are people who write DmC, and not DMC.

I'll crawl back under my rock now.

Yeah but it says DmC on the box itself.

#39 Posted by Brodehouse (9770 posts) -

Devil May Cry gives Adam Sessler 3 out of 5.

#40 Posted by Cincaid (2955 posts) -

@Pr1mus said:

@Cincaid said:

I think what I hate the most are people who write DmC, and not DMC.

I'll crawl back under my rock now.

Yeah but it says DmC on the box itself.

Then I hate the box even more. :(

#41 Posted by falserelic (5394 posts) -

I'll forge my own opinion once I play the game.

#42 Posted by BlastProcessing (915 posts) -

@psylah said:

FUCK YOU

FUCK YOU

#43 Posted by mrfluke (5127 posts) -
#44 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4676 posts) -
#45 Posted by Morningstar (2148 posts) -

@drag said:

all reviews i agree with are great

all reviews i disagree with are written by awful people who were probably bought out and don't know a goddamn thing about anything

This sums it up.

#46 Posted by Nettacki (1317 posts) -

I think a lot of people are disappointed with DmC because of the devs essentially saying "fuck you and what you like" to the old fans of the series, as if to say every concern they have for the game, legit or not, isn't even worth the effort. Also, the story was a strong focus in the previews, and its supposed lack of quality makes it harder to judge since its supposed to be Ninja Theory's strong point.

#47 Posted by psylah (2167 posts) -

@BlastProcessing said:

@psylah said:

FUCK YOU

FUCK YOU

I guess I never really thought of it that way, it seems rather ironic when you think about it.

Thank you for opening my eyes to the trFUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

#48 Posted by granderojo (1778 posts) -

@mrfluke said:

https://twitter.com/bradshoemaker/status/290893503901364224

I'll buy it when it's on sale but yeah really looking forward to seeing what Brad has to say about this. I'm one of the weirdos that preferred Dante's Inferno and Bayonetta to God of War III.

That all said, man it's good hearing Sessler talk about games again. Wish Rev3 would update their twitter with all his videos, don't want to miss any of them.

#49 Posted by Brendan (7734 posts) -

Watch out folks, we got a thinker here.

#50 Posted by Turtlebird95 (2343 posts) -

Review threads are so 2011.

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