Meh, I don't care. They had me laughing quite a bit throughout these conferences so GB is still cool.

No, but to be fair i have pretty much polar opposite views on all game to Jeff so if he dislikes something i will probably like it, armed with that knowledge his input can be valuable in helping me chose the games i want to play next. I think having them talk over the conferences helped me enjoy them more, does Jeff's dislike for Yoshi make me want to play that new game any less? No, but hearing them react to that "oh the feels" comment last night cracked me up so its all good. E3 is about having a good time and although i watched it with friends, it was fun to have the GB crew there commenting too.

Where's the fun in stomping off if you can't slam the door?

I don't want to be associated with this community anymore. It's not about stomping off. It has become toxic here overall and I'm just sick of it. Now I need to disable notifications so I don't see these responses anymore. :-)

@wewantsthering: Hey, I'm not judging. I just can't imagine what you're looking for in a forum if this one is too toxic for you. Yeah, we have our assholes (I can be one myself at times, I admit), but disassociating yourself from this community to attach yourself to one of the most notoriously unfriendly game forums on the internet seems a wee bit odd.

Don't get me wrong, Gamespot's pretty alright these days, and more power to ya if you can stomach the community there. I just don't see the point in wiping your account because Jeff has a cynical sense of humor and the forum here is like a forum.

Oh, I dunno, asking to delete your account and calling the community "toxic" is pretty much stomping off and saying "Screw you guys, I'm going home" Not that you aren't allowed to do that, though if I were you I'd commit account suicide in a far more spectacular fashion.

Wow, you're a fucking scumbag. I hope the mods grow a pair and ban your ass for this comment.

Jeff almost never rubs me the wrong way, because it comes from a very real place I feel. Patrick though is a bit hit or miss, sometimes it feels like he's just searching for something snarky or negative to say (it might not be the case, it's just how it comes across to me. also, I like Patrick so I'm not hatin'")

Oh right, internet. Forgot people don't understand lightheartedness.

@arbitrarywater: It's people like you that make me want to leave.

@shagge: Oh I am not joining the GameSpot community. Haha. I just meant watching their videos. I guess I'm just over internet communities in general now. There are people like you that are nice, but when there are like thirty other people shitting in the pool, I want out.

@wewantsthering: We definitely all go through periods where we get too frustrated with the difficulties of being a part of communities.

I don't think asking to be deleted is the wisest answer though. Our feelings do change, and it's best to just leave it and not come back for a while.

Maybe then you'll already have a little foundation if you feel like coming back, perhaps when things are better by your estimation. There are plenty of folks here trying to make it better. So, see you later, duder. <>

It's a commentary over a presser. I think it's reasonable to expect them to inject some jokeyness to it all to try and make it more entertaining.

I find it annoying hearing someone trying to be funny over every moment, at least when it's the first time I'm seeing things. So I just watched the conferences without commentary and then loaded up the GB stream after to get their post-presser thoughts, which was the closest to past E3s where I'd watch the presser and then GB would put out a video of them leaving the event and talking about what they saw.

But for the moments I thought were dumb or good I'd scrub through their commentary in the downtime between conferences to see their reactions, which was cool to see. Not entirely sure I like this new E3 format, though I understand how much easier it is for them.

@milkman said:

See, this is the thing that I can't quite come to terms with. When did we come to a place in video games where disinterest in something has to be done in a snarky fashion, and why does snark equate proper human emotion and response? Is there no way to voice disinterest in a game other than being halfheartedly douchey?

Characterizing people who tire of this attitude as simply wanting "YEAH FUCK YEAH BRO VIDEO GAMES" is also one hell of a twisting of words.

(Your comment is only one of many in this thread all echoing this sentiment, so don't take the bulk of this personally.)

"God, are we going to E3 again. Do we have to ?"

Giant Bomb is the aristocracy of game journalism. They don't know how good they have it, so they can't help the snarkiness.

They are spoiled by years of being around and never being in question. They get to do all the questioning, so that's a comfortable situation and a distant one at the same time. In the end it comes down to what Mozart said: "Critics are like Eunuchs, in theory they know how to do it." They don't produce themselves, they don't invent, they just criticise. In the end they are hardly more than shopping advisors and they do it their way. Like it or not - it doesn't matter.

What I am super tired of is complaint threads about the site and staff that are just clones of previous threads.

Not saying people don't have legitimate issues from time to time with either (lord knows I miss a lot of the pre-seaserpent functionality the site had) but

Can't we just have one master thread for these kinds of things instead of a new one everytime someone gets upset?

It's draining to rehash this same thing over and over and watch it drown out every other video game discussion going on.

They openly take and answer questions in Jar videos, twitter, and tumblr.

They openly admit this.

They openly admit this.

I can't attest to the contrary other than the points I've listed, but I'm sure they could.

Snarky-ness is just opinion so that hasn't bothered me, but it's Jeff feeling the need to be louder than anyone with an opposing opinion on podcasts. Even if he can justify his opinion, he doesn't have to belittle someone for having one of their own; IT'S ALMOST AS IF HE'S VIEWING OPINIONS OBJECTIVELY (debate and discussions are great but not when they're a shouting match).

This is why I enjoy "Bombin the AM," they respect each other's opinions like grown men do (and they still manage to get their own points across.. imagine that).

@wewantsthering: Well you gotta do what's right for you.

And I will say I do feel this community has gotten chippier and less friendly over the last couple years as it's grown. I've seen a more than a few people I really liked leave because it's not as welcoming as it once was.

But I'll ask you this, how can you expect a place to be better if you don't try to make it better? If everybody just leaves when they encounter something they don't like aren't they also making the problem worse?

whatever you decide I hope you find happiness duder.

I don't know about that, perhaps you are just focusing on the negatives too much, I remember both Patrick and Alex being shamelessly excited for what Nintendo was talking about, and everyone seemed interested enough in Splatoons.

It is the human condition that stuff we find to be negative or unappealing to us dominates more of our thought than feelings of happiness or positivity. However, and I am trying to be honest and helpful here, if you find that that is such a bother for you, I would recommend just leaving this GB scene altogether for a while, get a new perspective on it, and come back refreshed, or not come back at all. The actions of GB staff, whose actions don't practically affect you in any way at all, should not be bothering you like this.

Sorry if I came off condescending at the end there.

@turambar: I'm not sure what was so "snarky" about Giant Bomb's coverage of E3. Yes, they make jokes during the press conferences. They're putting on a live show. They're there to be entertaining. EA aside, they seemed generally excited about a whole lot of stuff. Snark seems to be shorthand for "they made fun of a thing I like." I keep hearing about this supposed overwhelming cynicism that ruining the games industry and to me, it just seems like a whole lot of people seeing what they want to see.

No, not tired of it. In fact, it is the reason I chose to watch them talk over all the press conferences. If I wanted super serious game discussion, I'd go to one of the 15 other sites that do that.

Snark is simply using snide remarks and sarcasm to represent one's reaction to something. When that all there is, it grows stale for many. This whole 'Snark seems to be shorthand for "they made fun of a thing I like."' feels unnecessarily defensive, dismissive, and is you seeing what you want to see, I'd say.

http://www.gamesradar.com/goriest-nastiest-moments-e3-2014/

Yeah, E3 totally doesn't deserve to made fun of.

I mean the giant bomb crew is just being realistic about their expectations and refusing to get excited over a bunch of BS cg traliers and idealized in engine footage, They acknowledge how superficial e3 actually is, which is something almost no other games outlet does.

Most of the snark for comedic affect anyway, most the time they all went back and said stuff like "oh, but battlefield hardline actually looks fun" jeff even said that despite his misgivings he still had fun with the game.

The press conferences are by and large ridiculous, cynical spectacles used to pitch products for enormous corporations. That this opens them up to frequent riffing doesn't mean people who engage in said riffing hate everything about them, it just means shit's funny and absurd. I look forward to them every year because they're such great fodder for jokes and awkward moments, and there's nothing I love more about video games coverage than seeing the duders soaking in the madness in realtime.

Video games are silly and weird. Embrace it! ONE OF US ONE OF US

Yeah, Giant Bomb have become a bit too cynical for my tastes lately, and so I mostly enjoy when they're not talking about videogames (or those times when they're talking about something that does actually excite them) that's not to demand that they change their ways or anything, just yeah...I didn't really pay much attention to their commentary of the press conferences (and completely skipped their commentary of the Nintendo event). Here's hoping the stuff coming out the rest of the year leaves them a little more positive, and failing that 2015 is shaping up pretty awesome.

I THINK WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS~!

Wow what is even going on in this thread? Anime girls? Okay I'm back in.

No. I like it when people can make fun of something even if they enjoy it. Video games are dumb, embrace it. I feel like GB and Jeff in particular is pretty good at making fun of marketing stuff while remaining excited for the games itself. He's just not a "HOT DAMN EVERY GAME IS AWESOME" kinda guy and I appreciate that. Even though he hates Yoshi and can't pronounce my username :D

I disagree. I thought the GB staff (yes even the great cynical Navarro) were pretty positive on this E3. The only parts they were really skeptical were Mario Maker (because of how Nintendo butchered Remix) and the EA stuff that was just concept art. All of that deserves some skepticism. In general though they were hyped for stuff. Even that shitty Nintendo Paint. Sorry Nintendo, but MS paint's been out for years, you're not innovating.

Pretty Sure all the GB staff freaked out when the guy from the Witcher III demo said just that. Just sayin'

Yeah I'm not sure I get this @spraynardtatum I don't think this is cold-blooded comment, and I think there might be some truth in it. I think when Ryan was here, he and Jeff were the de facto leaders of the group and Ryans more positive and less discriminating voice balanced Jeff out to an extent. I think they were a team on their own, and now, sadly, it is just Jeff on his own which makes his more critical voice stand out more. I don't think this is cruel thing to point out. Ryan was good at making Jeff look on the stupid side rather than the critical side.

I am not sure what you think 'pulling the Ryan card' is. We are allowed to talk about the guy, and I don't think @wewantsthering was being disrespectful in anyway.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with Jeff's attitude or viewpoint, it reflects mine in his overall attitude to the industry, and although we have different taste in games (and to be honest I think Jeff's is a bit limited) I can respect his point of view and want him to call it as he sees it.

That's who they are. Isn't that why you're here?

Don't we get these sort of questions every E3?

@sweep: Oi. Take your logic out of here!

The comments directed and wooly yoshi were the highlight!

The highlight!

You dont want to be associate with this community anymore so.......you go on the forum and make a thread about leaving said community? I am sorry, maybe it was not your intention but this has drama queen written all over it and you know if you can't stand certain communities you might want to NOT engage them. Go spend your time on something you enjoy more than bitching about things you no longer likes on the forum you apparently hates. I mean what? or you just loves forum drama, in which case more power to you.

I enjoyed that the guys did full commentary over the press conferences this year. There's no way in hell I'd sit through all those boring marketing presentations without commentary, just to see the 10% of game trailers that were actually cool.

I feel your thoughts on Scoops is a little harsh, but then again you are entitled to them.

Furthermore, they've already explained before many times that they realize that making games is difficult and that no one WANTS to make a bad game. However, in the end, they have to have the best interests of their clients in mind when doing what they do, and ultimately that's the consumer. If the game is bad or falling into age-old tropes or cliches, they're obliged to point it out. They're good friends with many developers but are still willing to point out flaws in the games of those people despite their relation because they're professional.

They're entitled to their own opinion and again, it's their opinion. Just because they have an open venue to state said opinion doesn't mean they can't have it; if anything, it should fall to the people listening to use that to inform their own opinions, after doing research and such on their own, instead of mimicking the GB staff. Yes, they can be overly cynical about things at times, but who isn't?! They can still get super into games as well, just look at the love of games like Saints Row The Third, Dark Souls, Windjammers, et al. They're not super jaded all the time, they just might be jaded about things that you (in a general sense) like and that should be fine. Why people get upset about this is beyond me..

Shit, this thread escalated. I wasn't sure it was worth the deep dive but I guess I was wrong!

I still love Giant Bomb and all of the crew and I don't care who knows it!

@leebmx: I think it is disrespectful to tell someone, or point out publicly on their website, that they're now an unfunny ass because their best friend isn't around to keep them in line. That's not something you're supposed to say. I believe you'd get your ass kicked saying something like that in real life. Regardless of how it was intended.

Think about if your best friend died and then people on the internet started pointing out that you're starting to suck because they aren't there to balance you out. I imagine that would crush anyone. No one needs or deserves to read stuff like that.

I get what you mean, Ryan was a funny funny guy and he had an incredible ability to keep things light but so does Jeff! Of course we're allowed to talk about Ryan, I just think using him to say that Jeff has been shitty lately is super insensitive and so I called it how I saw it.

This.

I thought Jeff was on top form with snarky-ness during these conferences, everything he said was hilarious and I like when the crew laugh at how dumb these type of conferences can be, but I also got a little tired of Jeff being too quick to diss certain things the second they were revealed. Overall though I prefer him to be grumpy and disillusioned than pretend to be excited about stuff, like that idiot Tim Gettys from IGN

I almost feel like starting a thread about TIm Gettys but I don't want to be a bully, plus there's obviously someone behind the scenes telling him to act the way he does...

I am fine with it.

The guys had the right balance of funny and enthusiastic these conferences. I was genuinely thrilled to see how overjoyed Patrick and Alex got just seeing the new Yoshi and Kirby games.

I've definitely noticed that Jeff seems to hate everything lately (how can one not notice that?), but it doesn't get to me in any shape or form. Honestly, his and my tastes are completely different, so I don't give a fat shit if he doesn't like a game I find interesting. He seems like a cool dude regardless.

I felt it before when I heard them talk about games on their podcasts, but no, not really. I kind of agreed and laughed at it.