those super mutants look like the same as in fallout 3 in this image, are they reusing character models? 

Obsidian dude.  Of course they are.

They're are sticking with the same engine that Bethesda used. I liked it then and like it now.

Its the same universe, just in a different location in the same country. I mean, things can't be that radically different right?? I'm sure they're holding out on us.

could have sworn we had this thread already...
 
and yeah whatever man. Bethesda isn't really about the graphics anyway. 's why I can still enjoy Morrowind more than any of their other stuff.

The more I see of this game, the less I want it. I feel like I've had enough F3 for a lifetime.

It's just going to be a glorified expansion pack. Same engine. Mostly the same models. New missions, locations, characters, story. Honestly, Fallout 3 looked great, and the console hardware hasn't changed. I loved Fallout 3 and played it to death, so I don't mind that they're reusing most of it. They're basically cashing in on all the work that was done on the first game, yes, but I'm not too concerned. There are some new features, and probably some gameplay tweaks. As long as the content runs 20-30 hours, I'll be happy even if it looks and plays identically to Fallout 3.

Think of KOTOR and KOTOR2, the graphics weren't anything wildly better - it was just a new story and more gameplay.  Obsidian have a history of doing expansions to other company's IP this way and I welcome it.  I enjoyed KOTOR2, the story wasn't as solid as KOTOR1, but Bioware were always going to do that better.  Obsidian refines gameplay and gives a new story, that'll be what is happening here.

w/e fallout 3 looked good enough to get me through 100+ hours of it, i'm fine with it looking the same again.

First, it's not done. 
 
Second, it's a sequel the same way Crysis Warhead was to Crysis.

If you're playing Fallout for the graphics you're doing it wrong.

" If you're playing Fallout for the graphics you're doing it wrong. "

" Second, it's a sequel the same way Crysis Warhead was to Crysis. "

Dude, Fallout 3 is beautiful, and actually, I don't see what all the negative fuss is about. Graphically, New Vegas is looking even better than Fallout 3, although similar.

As long as it has good atmosphere and interesting ideas and characters, I'll be happy.

i kind of am actually. i really wish they upgraded the engine so it looked at least a decent amount better.    but it looks almost exactly the same. 
 
but i figure once it comes out i will forget about the slightly disappointing graphics and fall in love with the game all over again

I'm cool with the sketchy graphics. I am just hoping for some balance and gameplay improvements.

" The more I see of this game, the less I want it. I feel like I've had enough F3 for a lifetime. "

" @AnimZero said:

" Second, it's a sequel the same way Crysis Warhead was to Crysis. "

Umm no.  Crysis and Crysis Warhead were both done by Crytek and they both happen on the same island at the same time.  FO : New Vegas is an entirely separate game made an entirely different developer (Obsidian vs Bethesda in this case). Fallout NV will use new art assets as well as many of those from FO3 because that's what Obsidian does and many of the same enemies (Super Mutants and so forth) and landscape contexts (irradiated post nuclear landscape) will be the same. "

I just hate the animations.  Either way, it will probably be a great game as was Fallout 3.

as long as its fun to play i couldnt care less about the graphics

I wonder if the bugs have been fixed since Fallout 3. Probably not. 
 
Honestly though, wasn't the fallout 3 engine basically the oblivion engine? Which was pretty early in this generation honestly, you have to admit, it hasn't aged well. I'll be way more interested if they bring out a new engine for all this shit, one that feels a lot more modern than the old one. 
 
Edit: Oh! Also Rage. They could use Rage. Forgot about that engine for a second. Well, more like 6 months.

I'm thinking Fallout New Vegas is to Fallout what GTA Vice City and San Andreas were to GTA III.

" @AnimZero said:

" Second, it's a sequel the same way Crysis Warhead was to Crysis. "

Umm no.  Crysis and Crysis Warhead were both done by Crytek and they both happen on the same island at the same time.  FO : New Vegas is an entirely separate game made an entirely different developer (Obsidian vs Bethesda in this case). Fallout NV will use new art assets as well as many of those from FO3 because that's what Obsidian does and many of the same enemies (Super Mutants and so forth) and landscape contexts (irradiated post nuclear landscape) will be the same. "

" The more I see of this game, the less I want it. I feel like I've had enough F3 for a lifetime. "

" I'm thinking Fallout New Vegas is to Fallout what GTA Vice City and San Andreas were to GTA III. "

As much as I loved F3 (S RANK!), I'll probably pass on F:NV.  Maybe if VATS can be done faster I will think about it because without VATS it is the worst FPS ever made and with VATS I have to watch a slow, SLOW motion playback of what I selected to shoot.  The first time through F3 it was fine, but by the second, third, and DLC times through the game I just wanted it to play in real time or faster.  Oooooh, his head blows up real nice in slow motion, I GET IT.

Gamebryo is a pretty aging engine, which is something that Bethesda will have to deal with for their next game. However I still feel that it will do for at least New Vegas. I do also feel that NV is in good hands since Obsidian is staffed by some of the same guys who made the first two games so they know what to do with the ip. 
But who knows, them reusing the engine might be a good thing since historically Obsidian has made some horribly buggy games.

It may not look pretty but at least we're getting a new environment- thats enough for me.

It just looks like more fallout 3 and that is exactly what I want. Come fallout 4 they can innovate all they want with the graphics but I'm more than happy with what I've gotten accustomed to for my next wasteland fix.

the games not out so no.

I don't care graphics that much when i'm playing fallout.

I'm sort of glad it looks the same, I think it looks a little crisper and smoother though. I don't see the need to reinvent the wheel every time a sequel comes out.

Graphics? Who gives a fuck? It's fallout

Remember KOTOR 2? Seems to be the exact same deal here - visually and mechanically identical games, aside for a new story/setting, and slight gameplay refinements.

yeah, i am kinda pissed they are using the same engine

Back in 1998 Fallout 2 was one of the best RPGs I've ever played and I have faith in this cause its at the hands of the original developers back in Black Isle studios that made the Fallout franchise one of the best PC RPGs of the decade.  I mean of course since Bethesda is publishing it they are likely to use the same Gamebryo engine but this time hopefully Obsidian should hopefully make this more than what Fallout 3 was now that their old baby is back at their hands. In fact I would prefer that Bethesda assigns all development of the Fallout franchise to Obsidian instead as I believe they will bring the franchise in right direction better.

It's the same fucked up broken engine. I cincerely hope Bethesda uses id Tech 5 for Elder Scrolls V and all of their upcoming games.

Hey, Fallout 3 still looks pretty good today. I don't see much of a problem with New Vegas looking the same. 
 
I'm more concerned about the gameplay. Fallout 3 had awful combat, especially with firearms.

All I want is better shooting mechanics and hit physics, everything in Fallout 3 seemed like chunks of damp clay.

" @mshaw006 said:

" I'm thinking Fallout New Vegas is to Fallout what GTA Vice City and San Andreas were to GTA III. "

Hmm, I'm not sure the comparison holds, those games were drastic improvements over GTA III, nobody realized they weren't "real" sequels until they decided to build hype by calling the seventh game GTA IV instead of a subtitle. "

Im hoping for some animation improvements, the graphics all look good. 
 
I do wish they would support dx11 on the PC though...

I play games for their story and/or gameplay so no.

Yes so far every thing iv seen makes me feel like im going to be playing a game that i plaid over 2 years ago.

Hey the graphics engine is already done so they they probably are saving a lot of time not worrying about it and focusing more on the actual gameplay. Even then it looks a bit better. So I'm super excited to see more.

I don't really have all that much of a problem with the graphics from Fallout 3 so just a little polish on those is fine by me. I just want improvement in areas like the main story, dialogue and some of the missions structures. This game remains a straight up buy for me and probably a CE purchase.

The game doesn't need to look better, it needs to run better and be more reliable.