Ok this may be a pretty repeated forum topic but I only just signed up to the big G-Bomb yesterday, and missed all the E3 forum topic discussions...
Is Nintendo still serious about business?
Considering it's raking in the profits i'd say it can take itself as seriously as it likes. They clearly have more business sense than most 'hardcore' gamers will have you believe, they saw a golden opportunity and went for it, and it payed out better than the golden goose. So yeah, they still care about business.
Edit: And they obviously still care about us hobbyist gamers because Metroid + Team Ninja is fucking WIN.
I don't know any unfit soccer moms (more's the pity), but the Wii has been a huge success in my household. SMG is probably my favourite game of this gen. Obviously some people haven't had such a good time with the Wii, which is a pity, but don't spoil the fun for the rest of us :).
Nintendo's bank roll thinks that they're business model is doing just fine. The fact that they aren't catering to the same market (IE, us) is the exact reason why they're doing as well as they are. They realized at some point that they were losing the race against Microsoft and Sony when it came to the traditional game audience, and they weren't interested in trying to keep up with the technology arms race, mainly because it was going to cost so much R&D money. (Nintendo's bottom line always been number one priority.)
So no, Nintendo hasn't lost the plot. If anything, they redefined who can be moved from the "MAYBE" to the "ACTIVE," and yes, those people in your picture? They are actives, because they're playing a Nintendo product.
On a sidenote, as much as we all are amused by the "NEVER" thing, doesn't it make sense to not sweat over ever appealing to people who under no circumstances will ever be interested in interactive entertainment? This is business 101: knowing your market and knowing your possible growth market. Nintendo just went out of their way to point out that there is a third group that most people don't discuss...
This does seem like an random attack on Nintendo, I was once a proud Wii owner but then once I was done with Super Smash Bros Brawl (a lot quicker than I thought thanks to fluffed up online) I realized there was nothing left to look forward to.
Then you're just oblivious.
Top 50 Wii games
Top 50 Wii announcements
Nintendo as a game manufacturer has taken a completely different path, one that many people have every right to dislike. But that is no excuse not to inform yourself / try out what others do now that the Big N is not overshadowing traditional sales anymore. The Wii is now in it's third year, arguably it's best.
Even the blockheads in the slum of video game boards, the System Wars of gamespot, have come to realize that. That amazes even me.
Is Nintendo still serious about business?
Nintendo is Japan’s second largest company by market capitalisation behind Toyota...
Nintendo now resort to milking franchises? Wat? I think you remember a different Nintendo than I do if you really think they've changed so much. It's always been about their major franchises and a few oddities here and there, and that's what they continue to do. And what Meo said.
Don't be surprised if you see more games shown later this year at a Nintendo held event sometime around September or October. There are more great games coming form them, you just have to be patient.
Aside from their games, their are some awesome looking third party games coming out this year, games like Muramasa. They should be enough to keep most fans happy until we see evidence of Kid Icarus and Pikmin 3 and the likes.
I don't have any problem with what Nintendo has done. Yes, they've put out games like Wii Fit and the like which don't really appeal to me (or many of us here), but they've also put out plenty of great first party games, too. It's not really an either/or type situation. If they can put out Wii Fit and Brawl within two months of each other (which they did), then they're essentially getting the best of both worlds.
And with 3rd party support really ramping up this year, it seems like the Wii's potential is being more and more utilized each day.
It always makes me sad when people try to say that Nintendo is only putting out casual games and franchise-milkers. Yes, they have both of those, but Nintendo uses them so much because no one ever pays attention to the ORIGINAL games and properties they put out.
Wait, how does openly (key word) catering to the casual crowd indicate a lack of serious business motivation? If anything, it indicates a greater business motivation.
"It always makes me sad when people try to say that Nintendo is only putting out casual games and franchise-milkers. Yes, they have both of those, but Nintendo uses them so much because no one ever pays attention to the ORIGINAL games and properties they put out.Excitebots? Legend of Starfy? Elite Beat Agents? Pikmin? ASH? Battalion Wars? Chibi Robo? Custom Robo? Disaster Day of Crisis? Drill Dozer? Electroplankton? Endless Ocean? Eternal Darkness? Advance Wars? Fire Emblem? Geist? Golden Sun? Hotel Dusk? Odama? Professor Layton? Rhythm Heaven? Trace Memory?"Each of those are original Nintendo IP's from the last two generatoins. Saying that Nintendo just makes casual games and entries in their big franchises is just wrong.
I'm down with the sentiment, but most of them are not Nintendo's creation, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Hotel Dusk, Starfy, and I don't know for definite but i'd wager a fair share of the others. In fact, the only one I know from that list that is definately Nintendo's doing (aside from Pikmin) is Fire Emblem and Advance Wars by Intelligent Systems which is a developer formed from members of Nintendos R and D division.
You're mistaking publisher for developer, they are not the same thing.
Also, anyone who ever mentions Disaster: Day of Crisis positively, is utterly insane, that game is beyond atrocious, it's bordering unplayable.
"I'm down with the sentiment, but most of them are not Nintendo's creation, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Hotel Dusk, Starfy, and I don't know for definite but i'd wager a fair share of the others. In fact, the only one I know from that list that is definately Nintendo's doing (aside from Pikmin) is Fire Emblem and Advance Wars by Intelligent Systems which is a developer formed from members of Nintendos R and D division.You're mistaking publisher for developer, they are not the same thing.Also, anyone who ever mentions Disaster: Day of Crisis positively, is utterly insane, that game is beyond atrocious, it's bordering unplayable. "
Well, define "serious about business." Are they seriously interested in making money? Of course. I'd say that was there primary motivator in going the Wii direction. But they definately aren't trying to cater to the "hardcore" demographic. Personally, I find their strategy to be rather alienating to the people who grew up with their games.
Some, but not all, was my point. And often, a developer will pitch their own IP, and the terms of the contract in order to secure funding dictate that Nintendo gain the rights to the IP, so while Nintendo might own a lot of the IPs, that doesn't for a second mean all of them were Nintendo's ideas, they just happened to put up the funding. I'm just trying to make a clear distinction here so that people understand what often happens, people claim responsibility for something they did not do. Nintendo put out a great deal of quality products themselves, but the majority of that list posted does not contain products created by Nintendo, maybe paid for and owned by, but that just means they secured a nice dealio in the negotiations, doesn't mean they came up with the idea.
" @Bigandtasty: ok i take the fact i worded my title EXTREMELY poorly i was kinda more or less aiming for whether they were serious about games, sorry I am hated extremely right now but kinda meant more about the games.i am hated so much right now haha"
"@AgentJ said:"It always makes me sad when people try to say that Nintendo is only putting out casual games and franchise-milkers. Yes, they have both of those, but Nintendo uses them so much because no one ever pays attention to the ORIGINAL games and properties they put out.Excitebots? Legend of Starfy? Elite Beat Agents? Pikmin? ASH? Battalion Wars? Chibi Robo? Custom Robo? Disaster Day of Crisis? Drill Dozer? Electroplankton? Endless Ocean? Eternal Darkness? Advance Wars? Fire Emblem? Geist? Golden Sun? Hotel Dusk? Odama? Professor Layton? Rhythm Heaven? Trace Memory?"Each of those are original Nintendo IP's from the last two generatoins. Saying that Nintendo just makes casual games and entries in their big franchises is just wrong.
I'm down with the sentiment, but most of them are not Nintendo's creation, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Hotel Dusk, Starfy, and I don't know for definite but i'd wager a fair share of the others. In fact, the only one I know from that list that is definately Nintendo's doing (aside from Pikmin) is Fire Emblem and Advance Wars by Intelligent Systems which is a developer formed from members of Nintendos R and D division.You're mistaking publisher for developer, they are not the same thing.Also, anyone who ever mentions Disaster: Day of Crisis positively, is utterly insane, that game is beyond atrocious, it's bordering unplayable. "
So because you don't understand their marketing and direction suddenly you've concluded they aren't serious. The people that 'rebel' against motion controls also fail to see anything past their initial unwillingness to jump on the bandwagon, yes the original Wii mote wasn't what Nintendo promised but from all accounts it seems the motion plus basically is what they initially promised. If all you want though is the latest in high tech graphics and Ai then well it shouldn't surprise you that the Wii is just not going to be capable of that. I personally believe the games on the Wii will just get better from here as developers start to realize that the Wii is not just the place for a quickly slapped together social experience and some real meaty games that both use the motion plus well and have some serious polish start coming out. Remember by all accounts the Wii wasn't expected to succeed, and when it did developers basically scrambled trying to deliver some half assed games to make a quick buck, now that more focus is shown to the Wii and entire divisions of game developers are focussed on delivering games to the Wii and it's giant consumer base things should get better for the Wii gamer.
It's pretty obvious that Nintendo is dead serious about business. They are doing exactly what they have to do to make a boatload of money, and they don't care who they hurt in the process. What they are doing is happening specifically because they are serious about doing business. By appealing to a previously untapped market, Nintendo is doing more business than ever, and if that means they have to put less concentration into the "core" gamer, then that is absolutely what they will do.
"@The_A_Drain said:So then surely Metroid Prime doesnt count., since that was Retro Studios. Metroid Other M wont count since that's Team Ninja. None of the star fox games will count since that's been intellegent systems, rare, and namco. F-Zero GX doesn't count since that was Sega, many of the mario sports games wont count, and so on. ""@AgentJ said:"It always makes me sad when people try to say that Nintendo is only putting out casual games and franchise-milkers. Yes, they have both of those, but Nintendo uses them so much because no one ever pays attention to the ORIGINAL games and properties they put out.Excitebots? Legend of Starfy? Elite Beat Agents? Pikmin? ASH? Battalion Wars? Chibi Robo? Custom Robo? Disaster Day of Crisis? Drill Dozer? Electroplankton? Endless Ocean? Eternal Darkness? Advance Wars? Fire Emblem? Geist? Golden Sun? Hotel Dusk? Odama? Professor Layton? Rhythm Heaven? Trace Memory?"Each of those are original Nintendo IP's from the last two generatoins. Saying that Nintendo just makes casual games and entries in their big franchises is just wrong.
I'm down with the sentiment, but most of them are not Nintendo's creation, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Hotel Dusk, Starfy, and I don't know for definite but i'd wager a fair share of the others. In fact, the only one I know from that list that is definately Nintendo's doing (aside from Pikmin) is Fire Emblem and Advance Wars by Intelligent Systems which is a developer formed from members of Nintendos R and D division.You're mistaking publisher for developer, they are not the same thing.Also, anyone who ever mentions Disaster: Day of Crisis positively, is utterly insane, that game is beyond atrocious, it's bordering unplayable. "
See no you're just being ridiculous.
Companies outsource stuff and enter into joint projects all the time.
But equally as often, studios will approach a console manufacturer for funding in exchange for IP rights and exclusivity. Metroid, F-Zero and Mario sports games etc are Nintendo IPs that have been outsourced, the ones I called you out on are the opposite. Companies have approached Nintendo with those, not the other way around.
Edit: Here you go if you don't believe me, an article providing concrete evidence for one example, Starfy, the IP belongs to Tose and is simply funded and published by Nintendo. (And is actually a long running series in Japan, we are only seeing it for the first time in the west now)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23614
" So because you don't understand their marketing and direction suddenly you've concluded they aren't serious. The people that 'rebel' against motion controls also fail to see anything past their initial unwillingness to jump on the bandwagon, yes the original Wii mote wasn't what Nintendo promised but from all accounts it seems the motion plus basically is what they initially promised. "
@Drain: Ok so they fund those games. Isn't that great? It still shows their interest in and acceptance of such titles, going the opposite of people claiming they don't care for the "hardcore" (lol) anymore. And for other titles they were the ones to approach the developers. Nobody said they made those games, but their involvement with many is undeniably a good thing...
"@freakin said:Um, the remote is everything they promised and the motion plus is everything they promised for that. The concept of 1:1 motion was never advertised prior, the technology wasn't available, and nobody in his right mind could have been "fooled" into buying the Wii with false expectations considering all the hands-on sessions months before launch. The existing pointer function did revolutionise console controls, while the limited motion sensors can add their own touch when implemented properly, as they are in Wii Sports and other titles." So because you don't understand their marketing and direction suddenly you've concluded they aren't serious. The people that 'rebel' against motion controls also fail to see anything past their initial unwillingness to jump on the bandwagon, yes the original Wii mote wasn't what Nintendo promised but from all accounts it seems the motion plus basically is what they initially promised. "
@Drain: Ok so they fund those games. Isn't that great? It still shows their interest in and acceptance of such titles, going the opposite of people claiming they don't care for the "hardcore" (lol) anymore. And for other titles they were the ones to approach the developers. Nobody said they made those games, but their involvement with many is undeniably a good thing... "
congrats, you found one little tiny sentence to disagree with. You completely missed the point I was making around that sentence though. I'm stating what people's complaints are about the Wii and that they aren't willing to let go of those same points even after Nintendo makes efforts to make those points moot. It sounds like you like the Wii, so much so that you aren't willing to even say for a second there isn't anything they might've done wrong.
"@AgentJ said:"@The_A_Drain said:So then surely Metroid Prime doesnt count., since that was Retro Studios. Metroid Other M wont count since that's Team Ninja. None of the star fox games will count since that's been intellegent systems, rare, and namco. F-Zero GX doesn't count since that was Sega, many of the mario sports games wont count, and so on. ""@AgentJ said:"It always makes me sad when people try to say that Nintendo is only putting out casual games and franchise-milkers. Yes, they have both of those, but Nintendo uses them so much because no one ever pays attention to the ORIGINAL games and properties they put out.Excitebots? Legend of Starfy? Elite Beat Agents? Pikmin? ASH? Battalion Wars? Chibi Robo? Custom Robo? Disaster Day of Crisis? Drill Dozer? Electroplankton? Endless Ocean? Eternal Darkness? Advance Wars? Fire Emblem? Geist? Golden Sun? Hotel Dusk? Odama? Professor Layton? Rhythm Heaven? Trace Memory?"Each of those are original Nintendo IP's from the last two generatoins. Saying that Nintendo just makes casual games and entries in their big franchises is just wrong.
I'm down with the sentiment, but most of them are not Nintendo's creation, Geist, Eternal Darkness, Hotel Dusk, Starfy, and I don't know for definite but i'd wager a fair share of the others. In fact, the only one I know from that list that is definately Nintendo's doing (aside from Pikmin) is Fire Emblem and Advance Wars by Intelligent Systems which is a developer formed from members of Nintendos R and D division.You're mistaking publisher for developer, they are not the same thing.Also, anyone who ever mentions Disaster: Day of Crisis positively, is utterly insane, that game is beyond atrocious, it's bordering unplayable. "
See no you're just being ridiculous.
Companies outsource stuff and enter into joint projects all the time.
But equally as often, studios will approach a console manufacturer for funding in exchange for IP rights and exclusivity. Metroid, F-Zero and Mario sports games etc are Nintendo IPs that have been outsourced, the ones I called you out on are the opposite. Companies have approached Nintendo with those, not the other way around.
Edit: Here you go if you don't believe me, an article providing concrete evidence for one example, Starfy, the IP belongs to Tose and is simply funded and published by Nintendo. (And is actually a long running series in Japan, we are only seeing it for the first time in the west now)
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23614 "
Guys we are what, three years into the Wii and there's still people complaining about the Wii's "target" demographic? Surely by now you can come to terms that yes the majority of software out for the Wii is for a demographic that is probably different from you, but you can't say they aren't catering to the "hardcores," that's just a retarded blind statement. I can think of an enormous amount of games that cater to traditional gamer tastes, and they're good games to boot. Plus you've got great looking games like the new Silent Hill (which looks amazing) and Other M coming up. Both of these games are made by battle-hardened developers, are you saying they're not up to the challenge and their games are a lost hope?
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