#1201 Edited by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

Tourney was pretty lame aside from Nail, but no exhibitions is super duper lame especially after last week. I guess we can always cherish Yuri di AAAAAAAAAAA x2 vs himself x2.

#1202 Posted by bidooof (2 posts) -

so I saw some people on neogaf request a gif of this when it happened. I never knew being able to post on their forum was such a stupid pain, so since giantbomb is cooler..here you go:

#1203 Edited by Flappy (2034 posts) -

@bidooof: My inner Tsukihime/Melty Blood fan just died. Thanks for the gif of the, uh, action that I missed out on.

#1204 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

Fuck it, I'm never betting on Alien Queen again.

Though given how unstable the site has been for the last week basically, it's barely even alluring to try to get back to where I was. I don't understand how people get the money they have. It took me days of grinding just to get to $4500. How the fuck do non-illuminati people get in the millions and then still make crazy bets?

#1205 Posted by maskedarcstrike (700 posts) -

@yummytreesap: upsets I'm guessing and then just betting sparingly on upsets from there on.

#1206 Posted by bidooof (2 posts) -

It keeps happening!

#1207 Edited by Brake (1050 posts) -

It's weird, but this thing is actually the most fun when you're in the mines. I play way too conservative when I actually have money. In the mines you just always bet the upset, and when it happens it's the best thing ever.

Edit: Also, sometimes this seems like a horrific waste of time and then the entire chat sings Snake Eater and it's all worth it.

#1208 Posted by rachelepithet (1252 posts) -

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

In my first week with Saltybet, I ended up getting lucky and digging out of the mines with major upsets of about $10,000-25,000. But I ended up losing them on all-in bets on characters that were like 15-1 but had one weakness.

Anyway, I almost quit Saltybet altogether because no matter what I couldn't get above like $2,000 the past week. But this morning, cause my name is Andy, and my jersey number as a kid was 13, my lucky number basically, I went all in on Andy_Xiii, without looking up that he was 0-4, and won $84,000. So suddenly I'm top 200. Never going all in again, even for Rare Akuma vs Winnie the Pooh, in case a glitch happens or some shit. Once I'm top 100 players in the word I think I'll let it rest.

Amazing how PSXSQUAL dumps millions intentionally, down to like $2 mill yet climbs right back to $7 everytime.

#1209 Edited by FlipperDesert (2069 posts) -

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in.

In my first week with Saltybet, I ended up getting lucky and digging out of the mines with major upsets of about $10,000-25,000. But I ended up losing them on all-in bets on characters that were like 15-1 but had one weakness.

Anyway, I almost quit Saltybet altogether because no matter what I couldn't get above like $2,000 the past week. But this morning, cause my name is Andy, and my jersey number as a kid was 13, my lucky number basically, I went all in on Andy_Xiii, without looking up that he was 0-4, and won $84,000. So suddenly I'm top 200. Never going all in again, even for Rare Akuma vs Winnie the Pooh, in case a glitch happens or some shit. Once I'm top 100 players in the word I think I'll let it rest.

Amazing how PSXSQUAL dumps millions intentionally, down to like $2 mill yet climbs right back to $7 everytime.

I was reading this and then the next bet that came up was Andy_xiii vs Mystia and I have never been so weirded out in my life.

He won, too. YA GOTTA BELIEVE!

#1210 Posted by StaticFalconar (4849 posts) -

maybe its just me, but i realized that there actually is big tournaments happening this weekend and saltybet is deciding to keep doing its own mugen thing. I guess betting on real people in a tournament was just the stepping stone and they decided to not to do that anymore.

#1211 Edited by Gerhabio (1969 posts) -

Does anyone know why they call DBZ one-hit KO super attacks "mexibeams"?

IT'S KILLING ME NOT KNOWING!!

#1212 Posted by OllyOxenFree (4969 posts) -

@gerhabio said:

Does anyone know why they call DBZ one-hit KO super attacks "mexibeams"?

IT'S KILLING ME NOT KNOWING!!

Supposedly because most DBZ characters are made by Mexicans (Mexicans love DBZ) and they do not properly adjust the damage scaling.

#1213 Edited by Toxin066 (3197 posts) -

I heard they removed a couple of DBZ characters. Is Radish SSJ4 still in the system?

#1214 Edited by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

@gerhabio said:

Does anyone know why they call DBZ one-hit KO super attacks "mexibeams"?

IT'S KILLING ME NOT KNOWING!!

I think it's one of the many racist stereotypes within the fighting game community (or at least stream monsters). I know the crouching punches that can be used as uppercut anti-airs are often referred to as "mexican uppercuts" due to some idiotic stereotype that Mexicans don't have the execution ability to perform DP commands (never mind that KoF is big in Mexico and that game requires BRUTAL execution).

Following that line, I've always took it to mean supposedly Mexican-created DBZ characters (truthful or not—I know at least one of them is Brazilian) that have overpowered/one-hit KO-ing charge beams, because Mexicans would rather have something like that than characters who take skill to play. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems the case, as this stream and others in the FGC are no strangers to being kind of shitty. I love when the chat gets stupid and embraces the stupidity of MUGEN—the eruption of AAAAAAAs when Yuri di AAAAAAA is fighting, or what have you, but all the 'retard' and 'faggot' and 'nigga' and rape talk and shit is pretty embarrassing.

#1215 Edited by FLStyle (4396 posts) -

Hobgoblin, some Mickey Mouse tentacle thing and Dark Bolt Chun Li are pulling me out of the Salt Mines for the first time ever! $1176 strong!

#1216 Edited by Roomrunner (743 posts) -
#1217 Posted by Warp (102 posts) -

I made $17000 on the sephiroth v tyson fight. That is easily in the top five greatest things in my life ever. This is practically taking over my life and I love it. God help me.

#1218 Posted by FlipperDesert (2069 posts) -

I present the greatest moment in saltybet history

http://i.imgur.com/yuBkYWC.jpg

That's a hell of a win, nice job.

Is anyone any good at finding the characters used? I've been trying to find Overlord and Yuri di AAAAAAAAA for days, but Yuri only brings up Saltybet in Google and the only DL link for Overlord I can find is dead.

#1219 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

Does anyone have problems with the stream? Mine is consistently awful on the site. Every once in a while it'll run smoothly, but more often than not 480+ is unwatchable and 240 looks like shit (and sometimes even that is bad). It's just fine if I stream it from Twitch, but there's no convenient way of using the Twitch stream and having all the betting info at once.

#1220 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

I have the weirdest boner watching Hinata vs. Saba.

#1221 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

LIKE WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT THROW HOLY SHIT MY DICK IS CONFUSED RIGHT NOW

#1222 Edited by worsteverNA (3 posts) -

Saltybet is a lot of fun. I just wish there was an effort to improve it more. The rich keep getting richer and you'll have to wait for real matches to even get a chance to get double what you have. Such a great concept for a game could be better if they pruned the characters to an extent. The metagame has been near solved right now especially if you have access to stats. You'll have your sephiroth beating a mike tyson or a patchouli losing to a hotaru, and even a pocketfighter winning a crazy match against characters with tough kits to deal with. Over time, everything will be damn near solved. I would say there was some skill to this, but it will be more about stats than A.I. scouting--maybe it's already there. There should be seasons implemented or some type of league system, otherwise we'll see guys like psxsquall bet $1111111 on matches he's sure to win for a very long time.

Prune the characters because things are one sided. On FGC majors or Salty Classics, there should be a win bonus on the house to actually make the bets more meaningful. Hopefully salty is doing something, because to me the fun is running out fast. It feels like one of those older mmorpgs right now: much of a grind of useless trash mobs (lopsided, obvious fights) to get to a raid boss you may not even beat (real matches like Dragon Claw vs Soujirou which might go 1:1. And the high rollers leave when they see an actual match) . Saltybet has the feel of these old mmos which were just grindfests right now, and it is a grindfest right now. Mugen does have a team 2v2 simultaneous mode. Perhaps this mode will help in the future?

edit: i wrote that mugen had a TOURNAMENT mode, it does not to my knowledge, and what i meant was "2v2 simultaneous mode"

#1223 Posted by Flappy (2034 posts) -

@worsteverna: First off, lemme welcome you to Giantbomb! Hope you enjoy your stay here, homie!

Anyway, I totally agree with you. I was really big on SaltyBets about a week ago, but between the technical issues and life, my interest has kinda waned. The rich are still rich, I rarely get to see decent fights (It's either a one-sided matchup or both characters are ass), and I know just about every song on Salty's playlist. As others have mentioned in this thread, there are ways that Salty can improve this little thing he has going on, but he has to be willing to go through with it.

- Trim some of the fat around the roster. I have nothing against DBZ, but there's nothing fun about watching two charge characters with broken AI going at it. It wouldn't hurt to remove a couple of the Touhou, either. There's no need for every other fight to feature a busted DBZ character/Bullet Hell-focused Zoner.

- Try to sort out the technical issues.

- Do something about the rich folk punking out when the real matches take place. I don't know about the rest of you, but the best matches are the ones that include good AI, a chance for either party to win, and some flashiness for the hype (Choujin-characters, Caveman, most 71113s, the good Meltys etc...). I understand that some people are more conservative than others, but what's the point of getting all the Salty Bucks if you're just gonna hoard it all until you see another one-sided matchup? This is an area that could definitely use some improvement.

As a person that used to dabble with MUGEN back in Middle School, I love the fact that Salty has made it relevant again. I just hope that he manages to make necessary tweaks and adjustments so that this thing doesn't die waaaaaaay before its time. Have 2v2 Tuesdays/Thursdays, perhaps?

#1224 Edited by Roomrunner (743 posts) -
#1225 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

Fuck it, I'm never betting on Alien Queen again.

Though given how unstable the site has been for the last week basically, it's barely even alluring to try to get back to where I was. I don't understand how people get the money they have. It took me days of grinding just to get to $4500. How the fuck do non-illuminati people get in the millions and then still make crazy bets?

I got to $4500 in about 5 hours the 2nd day I joined. The trick is to bet big on close-odds matches and win. I think one of my big money makers was Gouken vs. Steel (everyone bet Steel because their first match was 5-3, but was mad close, 2nd one Gouken won 5-4) and then some match that Floren won with like 8:1 odds that I don't even remember exactly.

And then I lost it all on Sad Claps vs. Hulk. I was a little salty about that.

There's still upsets to be had, you just gotta sniff 'em out and then bet big on the right guy.

#1226 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

Like for instance this match I'm watching now. Who would be dumb enough to bet Tien over Basara? Well, enough people to triple my bet, that's for sure.

#1227 Edited by Mirado (948 posts) -

I went all in on Sakura without checking stats because I knew she was pretty busted, and was going up against a Naruto (most of which are usually trash). I was shocked to find the odds against me and started panicing when I checked and found his record at 22-1! Even though she won 3-0 I was sweating it the whole time.

Now that I'm in the top 100, I think I can get some sleep. :D

#1228 Edited by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

@mirado: Naruto Kun is the only legitimate naruto. He's really good. Honestly I was flabbergasted when I saw the odds, I put some change down on Naruto because I thought he was going to be the underdog. The salt miners are putting in work tonight, the odds on some of these matches have been fuuuuucked. If I had known Naruto was gonna be favored I woulda gone all-in on Sakura.

#1229 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

Haku -> $2521483 (Σ$2521483) on Squall

#1230 Posted by Mirado (948 posts) -

@example1013: I think part of that is due to some of the major upsets lately, giving people cash who never had it and then don't bother to change their betting habits. Shit like Sephiroth taking out Tyson distributed a lot of cash, and now you are just getting the other side of the swing.

But that Naruto match was a total shock to me. I've either avoided seeing him or just forgot that he was real, to the point that I expected to make perhaps a grand or two at best. Never did I expect to be sitting in six figures on THAT fight.

#1231 Posted by Example1013 (4749 posts) -

@mirado: there's like 15 million narutos and that's the only legitimate one, so you probably haven't seen him. But I think people just really thought he'd be able to handle a card captor.

#1232 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -
#1233 Posted by FlipperDesert (2069 posts) -

I found Yuri di AAAAAAA for download, you guys! This makes me so happy. Turns out it was a renamed, obscure version of a Saint Seiya character.

#1234 Posted by arch4non (428 posts) -

The new banner image thing displayed between matches is garbage. I liked the old one a lot more. This new one looks like a crappy Ed Hardy knockoff.

#1235 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

It's not very new; it's been that way for probably over a week now.

Anyway, I don't understand how I'm so bad at this still. I've bet well over 850 times by now, and yet I've never even made it to $5000.

#1236 Edited by rachelepithet (1252 posts) -

@yummytreesap: Pay $4 for one month, then make bigger risks on underdogs. Using the stats search, you can go all in on on characters that are 25/5 vs ones 3/15, and when someone is 9/13 against like a 14/9 win loss character, put about a third your money on the underdog.

#1237 Posted by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

@yummytreesap: Just make multiple accounts, no reason to pay for it.

#1238 Posted by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

Tourney is great this week, I'll probably keep tuning in just for tourneys for a while.

#1239 Posted by Roomrunner (743 posts) -

Shaker Classic 5 is mind blowingly intense!

#1240 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

Yeah, this tournament makes up for the mess that was last week's and I've only just tuned in.

#1241 Edited by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

@fluxwavez: You missed some pretty amazing matches: http://challonge.com/SC256P4 Might be worth a rewatch later. Esmerelda did the lay down boyfriend 1 hit super 3 times. Sakura beat the hell out of Shadow Gen who's a lot better than Shin Gouki so no clue what's with the odds; if she wins it all she had to take a hard route though.

#1242 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

I'm so sick of this site shitting the bed whenever traffic gets high. Right now I'm not even getting a smooth stream on 240p and the bets are laggy as hell. It's getting kind of ridiculous.

#1243 Edited by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

If only Ivy's supers were good she could have a shot at getting beaten in 5 seconds by Chaos Hiryu.

T.Kawk/Mexican Typhoon have to be the lamest non projectile characters in saltybet mugen, at least Dragonclaw didn't have to lose to him.

#1244 Posted by worsteverNA (3 posts) -

I've got word from the grapevine that they're making a twitch character for saltybet. Anyone know any more info?

#1245 Edited by FluxWaveZ (19155 posts) -

These exhibitions are the best. The current Sadclaps + Uppercut vs. Omega Tiger Woods + Ghetto Warmachine was beautiful.

#1246 Posted by Dalai (6877 posts) -

These exhibitions are the best. The current Sadclaps + Uppercut vs. Omega Tiger Woods + Ghetto Warmachine was beautiful.

That match proves that games are art.

#1247 Posted by YummyTreeSap (290 posts) -

These new colored names make an already unreadable typeface even worse. It's not like when you're betting you don't know who is who anyway.

#1248 Edited by Fredchuckdave (4479 posts) -

I've been purposely suicide betting to lose so I can just give up until next week's tourney but this happened :(

  • Last Bet $20129 on Player 2
  • Odds 8.4:1 ($169612)

Colored names are almost impossible to see on some backgrounds

#1249 Posted by DougCL (204 posts) -

is anyone else having the problem where the bets aren't working for you? no matter what this is all it looks like at the bottom of the screen, the names and odds and stuff never load in for me anymore.

please. as you can see im in them salt mines and i really need to start digging. i dont know who else to ask.

#1250 Posted by Roomrunner (743 posts) -

@gerhabio said:

Does anyone know why they call DBZ one-hit KO super attacks "mexibeams"?

IT'S KILLING ME NOT KNOWING!!

I think it's one of the many racist stereotypes within the fighting game community (or at least stream monsters). I know the crouching punches that can be used as uppercut anti-airs are often referred to as "mexican uppercuts" due to some idiotic stereotype that Mexicans don't have the execution ability to perform DP commands (never mind that KoF is big in Mexico and that game requires BRUTAL execution).

Following that line, I've always took it to mean supposedly Mexican-created DBZ characters (truthful or not—I know at least one of them is Brazilian) that have overpowered/one-hit KO-ing charge beams, because Mexicans would rather have something like that than characters who take skill to play. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems the case, as this stream and others in the FGC are no strangers to being kind of shitty. I love when the chat gets stupid and embraces the stupidity of MUGEN—the eruption of AAAAAAAs when Yuri di AAAAAAA is fighting, or what have you, but all the 'retard' and 'faggot' and 'nigga' and rape talk and shit is pretty embarrassing.

I always thought it was in reference to cheaply made Mexican products, not really about people. It only seems to be used on DBZ (which look super cheap!), not when like Cyclops or Ryu does a screen filling ray of light.