Otacon you, are the love of my life. How awkward does that sound. But ALas i am for it
Are you guy for or against same-sex marriage?
"If God hates homosexuals why did he create them? Also if church was truly separate from state, there would be no restrictions on homosexual marriage. Homosexuality isn't a choice for a lot of people, its who they are. Sure for some its a sexual preference, but to say that Homosexuality is immoral and sinful, is the equivalent to saying black people are sinful because they are black, which isn't the case. You can't hate someone for how they were born, and its wrong to.
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
"Crushmaster said:"If God hates homosexuals why did he create them? Also if church was truly separate from state, there would be no restrictions on homosexual marriage. Homosexuality isn't a choice for a lot of people, its who they are. Sure for some its a sexual preference, but to say that Homosexuality is immoral and sinful, is the equivalent to saying black people are sinful because they are black, which isn't the case. You can't hate someone for how they were born, and its wrong to.
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
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...No, homosexuality is a choice, as any other sin is a choice. You are not "naturally" a homosexual.
"DARKIDO07 said:so me thinking a guy is "attractive" when I was 7 means it was a choice? I didnt even know what gay even MEANT til I was like 12 because I thought it meant stupid the ways it is used when ur in grade school..."Crushmaster said:"If God hates homosexuals why did he create them? Also if church was truly separate from state, there would be no restrictions on homosexual marriage. Homosexuality isn't a choice for a lot of people, its who they are. Sure for some its a sexual preference, but to say that Homosexuality is immoral and sinful, is the equivalent to saying black people are sinful because they are black, which isn't the case. You can't hate someone for how they were born, and its wrong to.
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
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...No, homosexuality is a choice, as any other sin is a choice. You are not "naturally" a homosexual."
"Yeah...we're in the freaking 21st century, lets get this over with and move on to the next debate"
Aye. It is the 21st century. And what's right is usually not popular, in this case and in many others.
"Just_Insane said:no....its YOUR opinion of right and wrong...not mine....its not like im having sex every weekend like many other people i know my age...so dont tell me im wrong"Yeah...we're in the freaking 21st century, lets get this over with and move on to the next debate"
Aye. It is the 21st century. And what's right is usually not popular, in this case and in many others."
"Crushmaster said:And Crushmaster's opinion of right and wrong comes from a warped reading of weird-ass old book that he believes is real because someone else said so and his opinion of a virtue is to believe something for no reason at all, even when all evidence and studies contradict his view."Just_Insane said:no....its YOUR opinion of right and wrong...not mine....its not like im having sex every weekend like many other people i know my age...so dont tell me im wrong""Yeah...we're in the freaking 21st century, lets get this over with and move on to the next debate"
Aye. It is the 21st century. And what's right is usually not popular, in this case and in many others."
"Rex said:"SolemnOaf said:Yes, but it was part of religious ceremony. Hence the ring symbolizing the ring of Saturn, marriage (as we know it) was initally a ceremony that was celebrated by worshippers of Saturnalia.""Rex said:Marriage has been around since Ancient Greek and Roman times. ""Considering marriage pre-existed religion, I find it ridiculous how religion can dictate this practice based on someone's sexual orientation. If religion is completely taken out of the equation though, I can see no reason why anyone would be against same-sex marriage. I'm not against it, that's for sure.
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I demand proof of this pre-existance.
The problem I see is that historians agree that marriage has existed before recorded history. I imagine unions of some kind must have taken place prior to religion for social stability. I was under the impression that marriage had been more of a business arrangement in Ancient Greece and Rome, not particularly interested in romance or religion for that matter.
But ultimately, marriage did pre-exist Christianity, which dictates much of who can marry in today's world, as well as the other prominent religions of today. Same-sex unions were taking place as early as history has been recorded.
Ooh! We're taking on the big ethical issues already! (I'm all for same-sex marriage)
When will the abortion debate start I wonder? Not soon enough!
Because marriage itself is meaningless, I don't see why it makes a difference who you marry. As long as it doesn't harm anyone else, you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want in this country. My Libertarian is showing.
I feel like anyone who's against it is just trying to over-compensate.
Crushmaster said:
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I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
But isn't that a bit unfair? I mean, homosexuals aren't homosexual by choice. Shouldn't they have a right to be with who they want to be with instead of having to deny themselves that to fit with what some book says they should be? What kind of God would make a person a certain way and not allow them to be that way when other people he makes (straight people) do have that right?
"If it's unnatural, why does it occur in nature? You're a moron.
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
ugh...not these topics already.We already had 1,000 if these over Gamespot.
Im against it i guess....I dont know.
I'm not so emotionally inadequate in my own life to care what any other consent age adults do, straight marriage, gay marriage, abortion, BDSM, tattoos piercings, drug and alcohol intake, its none of my business until it becomes my business. I might laugh and make jokes about these issues, but if the people involved are happy, or its a choice, i have no issue with it, and even if i did have issue with it, it wouldn't be my problem unless it affected me directly, yeah that's really cynical but whatever.
One thing i can say, even though i have gay friends, i find really overtly queeny and over the top gay men and masuculine lesbians annoy me, but no more so than overly straight people, especially guys, you know the type, yeah ive just killed a small furry animal its time for a beer and some football, and i banged 20 chicks last week.
So to answer the question, im a guy, im straight and i have no problem with same sex marriage, infact i think its a social right in a free and civilized world.
"Penises go into vaginas for reproduction and thats the point...thats pretty much how I feel."Haha pretty much.
"Some Christians protest gay weddings, I think it would be fun if gay people protested Christian weddings. Now that's equality.You should be knighted for that idea. I declare you the best person I've ever met.
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I have no problem at all with same sex marriage. Why should I?
If I was a betting man I would bet that most of the No people i here are mostly kids trying to be as cool as cucumber. The type of twat who calls someone a FAG on Halo 3. The rest being small minded self-righteous fools.
Everyone has their own views and beliefs, so I don't see why anybody from the same gender couldn't be together.
And don't come off with the ''oh, but what about the kids!'' routine. If the kids are smart enough to believe in what they wish, and not simply what they witness, it should be fine.
"FoxHoleDelta said:"Nobody find it worth mentioning about any kids that may come into this equation at some point?
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What about kids? I dont see a problem with adoption"
It's not about having kids, but what if this child is not chosen to be gay by nature like its parents, how unfair would it be for the child having boths parents of the same sex?
"atejas said:"FoxHoleDelta said:"Nobody find it worth mentioning about any kids that may come into this equation at some point?
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What about kids? I dont see a problem with adoption"
It's not about having kids, but what if this child is not chosen to be gay by nature like its parents, how unfair would it be for the child having boths parents of the same sex?
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I actually thought of the exact same thing, but then I realised, homosexuals are hardly likely to opress other people's sexuality, whatever it may be.
"atejas said:How so? My father's penis didn't raise me. My mother's ovaries didn't raise me. Why does it matter? I had support and love from my parents and that's all that matters."FoxHoleDelta said:"Nobody find it worth mentioning about any kids that may come into this equation at some point?
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What about kids? I dont see a problem with adoption"
It's not about having kids, but what if this child is not chosen to be gay by nature like its parents, how unfair would it be for the child having boths parents of the same sex?
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"FoxHoleDelta said:"atejas said:How so? My father's penis didn't raise me. My mother's ovaries didn't raise me. Why does it matter? I had support and love from my parents and that's all that matters."FoxHoleDelta said:"Nobody find it worth mentioning about any kids that may come into this equation at some point?
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What about kids? I dont see a problem with adoption"
It's not about having kids, but what if this child is not chosen to be gay by nature like its parents, how unfair would it be for the child having boths parents of the same sex?
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You're right.
"No, it is not "unfair". It, like murder, theft, greed, or any other sin is a choice.
Crushmaster said:"
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
But isn't that a bit unfair? I mean, homosexuals aren't homosexual by choice. Shouldn't they have a right to be with who they want to be with instead of having to deny themselves that to fit with what some book says they should be? What kind of God would make a person a certain way and not allow them to be that way when other people he makes (straight people) do have that right?
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"Anyone who is against it does not believe in equal human rights for all. I'm not trying to upset other people or minimize their beliefs, but that's just how I feel.
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That's an interesting thought.
"Happy_Cloud said:"No, it is not "unfair". It, like murder, theft, greed, or any other sin is a choice.
Crushmaster said:"
I am completely against it. Homosexuality is sinful, immoral, and unnatural, and is condemned in the Bible."
But isn't that a bit unfair? I mean, homosexuals aren't homosexual by choice. Shouldn't they have a right to be with who they want to be with instead of having to deny themselves that to fit with what some book says they should be? What kind of God would make a person a certain way and not allow them to be that way when other people he makes (straight people) do have that right?
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and what makes it a 'sin'? It is two consenting adults expressing their love for each other.
lern2victimless crime.
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