I don't think the kid should be back any time soon. Saying something like that to someone is messed up, especially if you're just a kid. "
That kid is sixteen years old. He should know better by now. "
16 Years Old? Are you fucking with me?That kid cant be 16?! Can he? "
Where are people getting this 16 thing from? Maybe because my computer cant follow the facebook link but when I click on the video the description doesn't come up with his age.
" Victim gets suspended for self-defense. Typical. "
To be fair, what he did to the bully could have easily killed him or paralyzed him, so the school had to do something. That's like saying America was right for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima because of Pearl Harbor. The reaction isn't wrong, but the scale is inappropriate. "
Yeah...agreed. I'm pretty sure the little kid broke something and yeah, that could of easily snapped his neck. It sucks that he was being picked on but doing a piledriver into concrete isn't the answer. "
Then what is the answer. Tell me you don't think the ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away method works. "
He said punch the kid in the face. Significantly less dangerous then slamming the kid head first into a concrete floor and to be fair the twig looked like he could have been taken down just as easily that way. "
But what happens next? Kid gets knocked over, gets up and picks on fat kid again; Punch from fat kid does almost nothing/skinny kid avoids it, keeps on going; skinny kid gets hit, his dickhead mates jump in the fray or you lay waste to the weasely cunt and make sure no one fucks around with you again?
" People saying he went too far with it clearly have never been bullied. "
This, pretty much.
In fact those people are probably the bullies to begin with. I remember back when I was a fat slob when I was 10. If only I had done that move instead of just kicking the kid in the balls back then.
" People saying he went too far with it clearly have never been bullied. "
exactly and as someone who was bullied in my freshman year of high school It felt damn good watching this kid stand up for himself which is what I wish I'd done.
" Victim gets suspended for self-defense. Typical. "
To be fair, what he did to the bully could have easily killed him or paralyzed him, so the school had to do something. That's like saying America was right for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima because of Pearl Harbor. The reaction isn't wrong, but the scale is inappropriate. "
Yeah...agreed. I'm pretty sure the little kid broke something and yeah, that could of easily snapped his neck. It sucks that he was being picked on but doing a piledriver into concrete isn't the answer. "
Then what is the answer. Tell me you don't think the ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away method works. "
He said punch the kid in the face. Significantly less dangerous then slamming the kid head first into a concrete floor and to be fair the twig looked like he could have been taken down just as easily that way. "
But what happens next? Kid gets knocked over, gets up and picks on fat kid again; Punch from fat kid does almost nothing/skinny kid avoids it, keeps on going; skinny kid gets hit, his dickhead mates jump in the fray or you lay waste to the weasely cunt and make sure no one fucks around with you again? "
That can still happen now. Just to be safe, the big kid should get a gun and shoot the bully. Problem solved.
I don't think the kid should be back any time soon. Saying something like that to someone is messed up, especially if you're just a kid. "
That kid is sixteen years old. He should know better by now. "
16 Years Old? Are you fucking with me?That kid cant be 16?! Can he? "
Where are people getting this 16 thing from? Maybe because my computer cant follow the facebook link but when I click on the video the description doesn't come up with his age. "
Someone else came up with that age earlier in the thread. WIthout anything else to confirm, I just rolled with it. It's not really hard for me to believe, though. I knew a could of runts like him back in high school.
" @IzzyGraze: true but if you're emotionally and physically tormented on a daily basis you can't be held accountable for your actionsI wonder what the reaction will be when they both go back to school, hopefully there'll be no retaliation "
I guess the kids at Columbine are in the clear then, phew. This isn't the same thing, I know, but there's a line. To be fair, a video game message board is going to be one-sided in favor of the kid being bullied. I don't approve of bullying, but I don't think potentially killing someone is an appropriate response. Maybe that's because I've never been picked on. "
dude the two aren't even comparable so don't do that. i meant that if someone is bullied and then snaps in that moment it's hard to control themselves. the fact that he walked away at the end shows he had at least some self control after the initial act. I doubt the bully would've had that same control
" Victim gets suspended for self-defense. Typical. "
To be fair, what he did to the bully could have easily killed him or paralyzed him, so the school had to do something. That's like saying America was right for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima because of Pearl Harbor. The reaction isn't wrong, but the scale is inappropriate. "
Yeah...agreed. I'm pretty sure the little kid broke something and yeah, that could of easily snapped his neck. It sucks that he was being picked on but doing a piledriver into concrete isn't the answer. "
Then what is the answer. Tell me you don't think the ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away method works. "
He said punch the kid in the face. Significantly less dangerous then slamming the kid head first into a concrete floor and to be fair the twig looked like he could have been taken down just as easily that way. "
But what happens next? Kid gets knocked over, gets up and picks on fat kid again; Punch from fat kid does almost nothing/skinny kid avoids it, keeps on going; skinny kid gets hit, his dickhead mates jump in the fray or you lay waste to the weasely cunt and make sure no one fucks around with you again? "
He could have knocked the kid out with a punch. He could also grab him and pin him to the ground. Bear hugged him. Hit him in the dick. I guess drop kicking is the only thing he could do then. Obviously.
Look I was bullied as a kid too and boy do I get enjoyment from watching this thing over and over but he nearly killed the kid. If he killed him he would have far worse to deal with than a fucking bully.
" Victim gets suspended for self-defense. Typical. "
To be fair, what he did to the bully could have easily killed him or paralyzed him, so the school had to do something. That's like saying America was right for dropping the bomb on Hiroshima because of Pearl Harbor. The reaction isn't wrong, but the scale is inappropriate. "
Yeah...agreed. I'm pretty sure the little kid broke something and yeah, that could of easily snapped his neck. It sucks that he was being picked on but doing a piledriver into concrete isn't the answer. "
Then what is the answer. Tell me you don't think the ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away method works. "
He said punch the kid in the face. Significantly less dangerous then slamming the kid head first into a concrete floor and to be fair the twig looked like he could have been taken down just as easily that way. "
But what happens next? Kid gets knocked over, gets up and picks on fat kid again; Punch from fat kid does almost nothing/skinny kid avoids it, keeps on going; skinny kid gets hit, his dickhead mates jump in the fray or you lay waste to the weasely cunt and make sure no one fucks around with you again? "
That can still happen now. Just to be safe, the big kid should get a gun and shoot the bully. Problem solved. "
Anything can happen if you say it can. Little kid comes back with a knife, stabs big kid, big kid's dad turns into Liam Neeson and kills little kid's family and ends up in the slammer. Consider the odds and what is actually likely to happen instead.
@HandsomeDead: I get that nerds in here are glad that a fellow nerd stood up for himself. I'm proud of the kid too, even though I was never in that situation on either side. I just think the people complaining that the kid got punished by the school are being unreasonable. Even if the action the kid took was understandable, the way he went about it was dangerous, so he clearly deserved some kind of punishment. From what I understand, the bully got suspended too, so I don't know where the moral outrage is coming from.
" @FlyingRat: People saying the kid shouldn't have been suspended for endangering the life of the bully are clearly delusional. "
Where was that lovely school system, like the teachers and the principal while he was getting bullied? To punish the kid, for standing up for himself, while no one else did, is not right. And yes, he could have caused the bully some very serious injuries or could have even killed him. But what else was he supposed to do? The school system that suspended him wasn't there to help him. Anyone who gets that kinds of intense emotional pressure will eventually snap.
"Look I was bullied as a kid too and boy do I get enjoyment from watching this thing over and over but he nearly killed the kid. If he killed him he would have far worse to deal with than a fucking bully. "
And this is why bullies win: People too afraid of what might happen to do what has to be done.
" @FlyingRat: People saying the kid shouldn't have been suspended for endangering the life of the bully are clearly delusional. "
Where was that lovely school system, like the teachers and the principal while he was getting bullied? To punish the kid, for standing up for himself, while no one else did, is not right. And yes, he could have caused the bully some very serious injuries or could have even killed him. But what else was he supposed to do? The school system that suspended him wasn't there to help him. Anyone who gets that kinds of intense emotional pressure will eventually snap. "
So I guess when a guy gets laid off of work, and can't find a job because the shitty economy, and by all respects has been failed by the system, and he gets a gun and holds up a liquor store, the cops should let him get away with it. Even if you understand the man's plight, he broke the rules and needs to be punished for it.
You can't pick and choose when people are suspended because it's convenient to your world-view. In the video, both students attacked one another, and both were suspended for it. That's reasonable.
" @FlyingRat: People saying the kid shouldn't have been suspended for endangering the life of the bully are clearly delusional. "
Where was that lovely school system, like the teachers and the principal while he was getting bullied? To punish the kid, for standing up for himself, while no one else did, is not right. And yes, he could have caused the bully some very serious injuries or could have even killed him. But what else was he supposed to do? The school system that suspended him wasn't there to help him. Anyone who gets that kinds of intense emotional pressure will eventually snap. "
So I guess when I guy gets laid off of work, and can't find a job because the shitty economy, and by all respects has been failed by the system, and he gets a gun and holds up a liquor store, the cops should let him get away with it. Even if you understand the man's plight, he broke the rules and needs to be punished for it. "
" @FlyingRat: People saying the kid shouldn't have been suspended for endangering the life of the bully are clearly delusional. "
Where was that lovely school system, like the teachers and the principal while he was getting bullied? To punish the kid, for standing up for himself, while no one else did, is not right. And yes, he could have caused the bully some very serious injuries or could have even killed him. But what else was he supposed to do? The school system that suspended him wasn't there to help him. Anyone who gets that kinds of intense emotional pressure will eventually snap. "
So I guess when a guy gets laid off of work, and can't find a job because the shitty economy, and by all respects has been failed by the system, and he gets a gun and holds up a liquor store, the cops should let him get away with it. Even if you understand the man's plight, he broke the rules and needs to be punished for it. "
" People saying he went too far with it clearly have never been bullied. "
This, pretty much. In fact those people are probably the bullies to begin with. I remember back when I was a fat slob when I was 10. If only I had done that move instead of just kicking the kid in the balls back then. "
I've been bullied.
That's still some crazy shit.
See that corner on the floor? If the bully's head had gone there, that's no more bully.
I got picked on and punched and whatnot. I some times put up a bit of a fight, sometimes I didn't. From experience, the times I didn't ended better for everybody.
You know what? I hate that attitude. "I don't condone violence, unless it suits *me*". Bullshit. You either get into the cycle of fighting and then you'd better hope you're the strongest one there is or you don't and you prove your point in a different way. The kid went too far and a suspension is right, moral high ground or not. You may choose to fight back but then accept the consequences.
of course he should be punished he could have killed the kid, i'm just glad he got punished less. and while this should be a lesson for bullies we probably shouldn't glorify throwing a kid onto concrete. even if he is a little twat
That was awesome. good for him. Bullies be warned. I was taught, and will teach my kids... it's good to be a good person but if someone starts shit with you you give it right back.
" People saying he went too far with it clearly have never been bullied. "
This, pretty much. In fact those people are probably the bullies to begin with. I remember back when I was a fat slob when I was 10. If only I had done that move instead of just kicking the kid in the balls back then. "
I've been bullied. That's still some crazy shit. See that corner on the floor? If the bully's head had gone there, that's no more bully. I got picked on and punched and whatnot. I some times put up a bit of a fight, sometimes I didn't. From experience, the times I didn't ended better for everybody. You know what? I hate that attitude. "I don't condone violence, unless it suits *me*". Bullshit. You either get into the cycle of fighting and then you'd better hope you're the strongest one there is or you don't and you prove your point in a different way. The kid went too far and a suspension is right, moral high ground or not. You may choose to fight back but then accept the consequences. "
I saw that corner perfectly when it cracked his ankel instead of his head. Sadly...
And the attitude: "I don't condone violence, unless it suits me" is pretty dumb, I agree.
I do however condone violence when it suits me. I got picked up and punched a lot I decided to fight back one day instead of "ignoring" it as people always told me to do. Bullying stopped all of a sudden... weird huh?
" People saying he went too far with it clearly have never been bullied. "
This, pretty much. In fact those people are probably the bullies to begin with. I remember back when I was a fat slob when I was 10. If only I had done that move instead of just kicking the kid in the balls back then. "
I've been bullied. That's still some crazy shit. See that corner on the floor? If the bully's head had gone there, that's no more bully. I got picked on and punched and whatnot. I some times put up a bit of a fight, sometimes I didn't. From experience, the times I didn't ended better for everybody. You know what? I hate that attitude. "I don't condone violence, unless it suits *me*". Bullshit. You either get into the cycle of fighting and then you'd better hope you're the strongest one there is or you don't and you prove your point in a different way. The kid went too far and a suspension is right, moral high ground or not. You may choose to fight back but then accept the consequences. "
Exactly my point. You know what? I'm against torture. However, I understand that in some instances, torturing a suspect is the quickest and only option we have in order to save lives. I don't think our country should support it. If an agent resorts to torture to get answers, I will understand completely. I also think that agent should be punished to the full extent of the law. The way I see it, the agent knows his actions will have repercussions, so he'll only resort to those actions if they are entirely necessary. I'd respect the agent to do what he felt necessary and accept the consequences. What I wouldn't respect is if the agent tortured his suspect, and was then let off the hook because of the situation, or because the definition of torture was "changed" to get out of punishing him. If we don't stick to the rules when they're inconvenient, we can't rely on them when they are.
The bloodlust from some of the nerds on this board is disturbing, and makes me think that if situations were reversed, they would totally be bullies.
"Look I was bullied as a kid too and boy do I get enjoyment from watching this thing over and over but he nearly killed the kid. If he killed him he would have far worse to deal with than a fucking bully. "
And this is why bullies win: People too afraid of what might happen to do what has to be done. "
I'm saying he could have done something that would have worked just as well. You just can't rely on luck that someone will live when you do something that dangerous. When I was sleeping in school once someone kicked me in the stomach and kept kicking. I grappled him and forced him to stop and apologize without hurting him. Maybe he was sore but he wasn't severely damaged. The specific act of lifting someone and throwing him on a concrete floor is dangerous and there are ways to both stand up for yourself and intimidate someone without getting close to death. He deserves the praise he's getting but he should be careful about how he defends himself next time.
" @FlyingRat: People saying the kid shouldn't have been suspended for endangering the life of the bully are clearly delusional. "
Where was that lovely school system, like the teachers and the principal while he was getting bullied? To punish the kid, for standing up for himself, while no one else did, is not right. And yes, he could have caused the bully some very serious injuries or could have even killed him. But what else was he supposed to do? The school system that suspended him wasn't there to help him. Anyone who gets that kinds of intense emotional pressure will eventually snap. "
So I guess when a guy gets laid off of work, and can't find a job because the shitty economy, and by all respects has been failed by the system, and he gets a gun and holds up a liquor store, the cops should let him get away with it. Even if you understand the man's plight, he broke the rules and needs to be punished for it. "
How do you come up with these comparisons? HOLY LOGICAL FALLACY BATMAN
What did that retarded kid expect when he's taking on someone larger than himself? Brutal piledriver, hopefully he did enough damage to make that kid think twice. And those of you trying to defend the bully ... disgusting.
@SpikeSpiegel: I don't know how that comparison is that broken. The system failed to protect him, so he took matters into his own hands by breaking the system's rules. The system responded by punishing him. The reason why someone commits a crime doesn't protect them from the law. The reason the child piledrived a bully doesn't protect him from the school administration. The bully was punished for punching the kid, and the kid was punished for nearly killing the bully. I do not see a problem with this. Schools should crack down on bullying, but they shouldn't "allow" kids to beat the crap out of bullies either.
@weeman105 said:
" What did that retarded kid expect when he's taking on someone larger than himself? Brutal piledriver, hopefully he did enough damage to make that kid think twice. And those of you trying to defend the bully ... disgusting. "
Nobody is defending the bully. We're defending the school administration for punishing both kids in the video.
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