Wow. TC is a complete anti-semitie. Hate the jews, just because everyone else in the world does. The jews are the cause of EVERY problem right? This is an arcane war that will go on FOREVER! So get used to it and hang on for the ride because this shit hasnt even gotten that hot yet. Its going to get much worse then its just going to end. The end will come about when all humans are dead which will probably be a good long while.
Israeli officer: "I was right to shoot 13-year-old child"
"Wow. TC is a complete anti-semitie. Hate the jews, just because everyone else in the world does. The jews are the cause of EVERY problem right? This is an arcane war that will go on FOREVER! So get used to it and hang on for the ride because this shit hasnt even gotten that hot yet. Its going to get much worse then its just going to end. The end will come about when all humans are dead which will probably be a good long while."Wow, you are a retard in denial:
"It's good strategy. And if videogames have taught us anything over the past 20 years, it's good military strategy. Only since the 20th century have people developed this super liberal save the whales attitude you seem to be presenting. And as you can see, the middle east hasn't reached the 20th century. These people live to hate one another and have done so for 60 years. If neither one of these factions makes a decisive strike, then the bombing and the gassing and the maiming and the violence will go on forever. In the long run a bloodbath would be better for all."Um. Attacking non-military targets is illegal under the Geneva convention. 'In the long run', any death at all is bad for the whole world, and that's provable.
Also, the middle east is more unified then ever, thanks to American and Israeli-started conflicts. Iran is trying to get into the '20th century' with their nuclear energy program. We're not exactly enabling development over there.
"Wow. TC is a complete anti-semitie. Hate the jews, just because everyone else in the world does. The jews are the cause of EVERY problem right? This is an arcane war that will go on FOREVER! So get used to it and hang on for the ride because this shit hasnt even gotten that hot yet. Its going to get much worse then its just going to end. The end will come about when all humans are dead which will probably be a good long while."You are a tool. I dont hate Jews, but I'm not going to give them a free pass just because its seems like the popular thing to do. Both sides do stupid shit that makes no sense, and I really don't agree with supporting either agenda.
"AndrewGaspar said:Well considering this sort of thing has been happening for years (Israel DEFENDING itself from outside countries who would love to see nothing more than them wiped off the face of the Earth), don't dismiss this as the 'exact same excuses'. Woman and children are used as suicide bombers in the Middle East, that shows what groups such as Hamas are willing to do in order to kill innocent people."Oh, wait. I didn't read the date.Wow, that wasn't the point of showing the article. I was just showing how they did the exact same shit four years ago and are using the exact same excuses and the exact same cover-ups. Well they fucked up this time."
Wednesday 24 November 2004
Please move along people. This happened FOUR YEARS AGO."
"Pibo47 said:You're an idiot. Let me go get you something that is easy enough for you to read so that you may understand the situation a little better."Wow. TC is a complete anti-semitie. Hate the jews, just because everyone else in the world does. The jews are the cause of EVERY problem right? This is an arcane war that will go on FOREVER! So get used to it and hang on for the ride because this shit hasnt even gotten that hot yet. Its going to get much worse then its just going to end. The end will come about when all humans are dead which will probably be a good long while."Wow, you are a retard in denial:1) Both parties in this situation are to be considered as Semite.2) I had never said anything about Jews being the problem, rather the IDF which is a terrorist organization as well as the Israeli government.3) I hate both parties in the situation.4) The point was to compare the situation of 2004 and now. In which striking similarities come up. i.e: The stupid amount of "accidental" friendly fire and civilian casualties.Please point to any place in the thread which exclaims my "Apparent Hatred of the Jews". A quote would be nice."
Some of this thread got real scary... real quick.
If large countries (and the worlds only superpower) start to apportion blame there will never be peace in the region. There have been warcrimes on both sides of this conflict. Having grown up in the UK during the era of IRA bombings I know you only ever solve these things by getting the moderates on both sides to sit down and talk.
I am confident that your incoming President will give this more credence than your last one.
Jerusaleum and Gaza's governments are so fucking stupid.
Well, most's are, but don't they realize that they've been fighting since before biblical times? Hmm... they're going to win now....
"Jerusaleum and Gaza's governments are so fucking stupid.Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for one, so you would be referring to Israel's government. How is Israel's government stupid? Is it because they have had enough attacks on their country and doing something about it?
Well, most's are, but don't they realize that they've been fighting since before biblical times? Hmm... they're going to win now...."
Oh boy there it is, accusations of anti-semitism have started flying. I knew this would happen, you can't say anything bad about Israel without being labeled and anti-semite, even if what is being said is true and completely fair. And since when is it racism to bash on a religion? Way to show how educated you are, bud.
Br3adfan said:
"SmugDarkLoser said:"Jerusaleum and Gaza's governments are so fucking stupid.Jerusalem is the capital of Israel for one, so you would be referring to Israel's government. How is Israel's government stupid? Is it because they have had enough attacks on their country and doing something about it?"
Well, most's are, but don't they realize that they've been fighting since before biblical times? Hmm... they're going to win now...."
Ahh... Jerusaleum rules israel.
I think they're just stupid because they're fucking just carrying on violence.
Government sucks.
How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?
yeah killing children is fucked up but lets not get ahead of ourselves. People are now more outraged about this than i ever saw about the Iraq war. When you got rockets coming into your country by some asshole terrorists who run shit in that place, then its time to do something. The world dont give a fuck for a while, even though they all say how fucked up it is that Hamas controls shit there. But you didnt see rockets coming in from Iraq into the US did you? Maybe we are still waiting for them. Anyway, point is, that the UN wasnt doing shit to stop the rocket fire, Israel had to do something. Now do I agree with how they have handled this? Not really, it looks more retarded than the Iraq war. Its one of those situations where something had to be done, they just didnt do the right thing or do it the right way.
"yeah killing children is fucked up but lets not get ahead of ourselves. People are now more outraged about this than i ever saw about the Iraq war. When you got rockets coming into your country by some asshole terrorists who run shit in that place, then its time to do something. The world dont give a fuck for a while, even though they all say how fucked up it is that Hamas controls shit there. But you didnt see rockets coming in from Iraq into the US did you? Maybe we are still waiting for them. Anyway, point is, that the UN wasnt doing shit to stop the rocket fire, Israel had to do something. Now do I agree with how they have handled this? Not really, it looks more retarded than the Iraq war. Its one of those situations where something had to be done, they just didnt do the right thing or do it the right way."Well I would just like to correct the chronology of the events. Israel first broke the ceasefire by denying the proper amount of resources (Food/Medicine/Clothing) to go into Gaza. It was in the ceasefire. Israel then proceeded to goat Hamas with that and had the final blow by bombing a Gaza tunnel to bits.
"How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?Anyways, I did have a three page response to the one who called me racist, but it was too much work (And I accidentally lost the response)."
This is exactly why I am calling you a racist. You have a definitive double standard. Evil uses human shields. But poor little hamas doesn’t? Bullshit. You sling shit in a matter you have no knowledge of.
"Snipzor said:Well in my other comment (Which was accidentally deleated), I agreed that Hamas was using human shields. Asshole, where's your anger when your favorite nation uses human shields (Except literally whereas the use of human shields by Hamas is semi-debatable the way in which the IDF presents it)."How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?Anyways, I did have a three page response to the one who called me racist, but it was too much work (And I accidentally lost the response)."This is exactly why I am calling you a racist. You have a definitive double standard. Evil uses human shields. But poor little hamas doesn’t? Bullshit. You sling shit in a matter you have no knowledge of.
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"Pibo47 said:I have no "favorite" nation. I just hate idiot's that hate on one nation because they think its cool. You, are one of those people. The media picks on them, and so does the rest of the world. Its crap. If it was up to me, i would have nuked the ENTIRE planet earth by now just so i could speed up the damn process."Snipzor said:Well in my other comment (Which was accidentally deleated), I agreed that Hamas was using human shields. Asshole, where's your anger when your favorite nation uses human shields (Except literally whereas the use of human shields by Hamas is semi-debatable the way in which the IDF presents it)."How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?Anyways, I did have a three page response to the one who called me racist, but it was too much work (And I accidentally lost the response)."This is exactly why I am calling you a racist. You have a definitive double standard. Evil uses human shields. But poor little hamas doesn’t? Bullshit. You sling shit in a matter you have no knowledge of.
"Oh, and replytard didn't read the article."
"Snipzor said:So humanitarianism is hating a country just because it is cool?! When was it a problem to call out a country's government and military on their illegal practices?"Pibo47 said:I have no "favorite" nation. I just hate idiot's that hate on one nation because they think its cool. You, are one of those people. The media picks on them, and so does the rest of the world. Its crap. If it was up to me, i would have nuked the ENTIRE planet earth by now just so i could speed up the damn process.""Snipzor said:Well in my other comment (Which was accidentally deleated), I agreed that Hamas was using human shields. Asshole, where's your anger when your favorite nation uses human shields (Except literally whereas the use of human shields by Hamas is semi-debatable the way in which the IDF presents it)."How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?Anyways, I did have a three page response to the one who called me racist, but it was too much work (And I accidentally lost the response)."This is exactly why I am calling you a racist. You have a definitive double standard. Evil uses human shields. But poor little hamas doesn’t? Bullshit. You sling shit in a matter you have no knowledge of.
"Oh, and replytard didn't read the article."
I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting.
"This is like a guy accidently bumping into some one on the subway, and then the person who got bumped goes and blows up the other guys house, with the children inside. Not to justify Hamas or anything, but Israel is going overboard on this one.If you're saying that Isreal is unjustified in making war with Hamas then I have to say you are wrong.
If you're saying that blowing up schools and hospitals and the like is wrong, then I would have to agree with you.
"Wow. TC is a complete anti-semitie. Hate the jews, just because everyone else in the world does. The jews are the cause of EVERY problem right? This is an arcane war that will go on FOREVER! So get used to it and hang on for the ride because this shit hasnt even gotten that hot yet. Its going to get much worse then its just going to end. The end will come about when all humans are dead which will probably be a good long while."Where in his post had he made a racist comment?
"Snipzor said:I must also ask where did he say, or even imply that Hamas doesn't use human shields?"How shocking that someone calls me Anti-Semitic within the span of 30 minutes. I mean, is it racist to call out a government on their wrong doings? Hell no. Will I be wrong in calling out Israel's use of human shields? Hell no (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4314898.stm), it is simple fact. Since when are facts considered to be a bad thing?Anyways, I did have a three page response to the one who called me racist, but it was too much work (And I accidentally lost the response)."This is exactly why I am calling you a racist. You have a definitive double standard. Evil uses human shields. But poor little hamas doesn’t? Bullshit. You sling shit in a matter you have no knowledge of.
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"I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.These are some of the most bullcrap excuses I have ever seen.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting."
So what if the Arab world has lived there for thousands of years? if you want to go by who had it first, it was Sumerians, then the Babylonians, and then the Jews. Arabs have about as much claim towards that region as do Israelis, more so, because they can actually defend their sovereignty. And just having nuclear power doesn't mean that Isreal wants to destroy the Arab world. The only reason Isreal uses violence in that region is because every Arab nation in the area declared war on it as soon as it was formed.
Nothing is stopping Isreal from starting a genocide? Really? Then where is the genocide?
Also, you may need to ask your friends where much of that money comes from. I'll give you a hint. It starts with "Black" and ends with "Market". You cannot absolve Hamas or Hezbollah of anything.
"Icil said:Is that a trick question?"I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting."
Nothing is stopping Isreal from starting a genocide? Really? Then where is the genocide?
"The_Ish said:"Icil said:Is that a trick question?""I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting."
Nothing is stopping Isreal from starting a genocide? Really? Then where is the genocide?
"Ever seen that video of the 13 year old boy cutting a prisoner's head off in the name of Allah? Age is quite meaningless, a 13 year old can pull the trigger just as effectively as a 31 year old can."A terrified 13 year old walking away from the camp?
On a side note, it's pretty obvious Snipzor isn't racist.
I recently wrote an article on this subject:
I know this is a harsh thing to say... but its war. Innocent people die in wars and pulling punches only resorts in more deaths. Yeah killing people is wrong but its the way of the world the sooner you accept it the better. The media ruins a competent military's ability to do what it takes to win a war. Were forced to pull punches and play nice just because a bunch of hippies dont want some random kid to die.
"I know this is a harsh thing to say... but its war. Innocent people die in wars and pulling punches only resorts in more deaths. Yeah killing people is wrong but its the way of the world the sooner you accept it the better. The media ruins a competent military's ability to do what it takes to win a war. Were forced to pull punches and play nice just because a bunch of hippies dont want some random kid to die."Yeah it sucks when a reporter finds out about the atrocities that a competent military preforms on a daily basis. Damn the media damn them for their moral outcries. And fuck the hippies too for not wanting to be associated with a government that would allow such things to occur.
"Log said:Yup and i must be a hippy for not wanting innocent people to die for something they dont want to get involved in."I know this is a harsh thing to say... but its war. Innocent people die in wars and pulling punches only resorts in more deaths. Yeah killing people is wrong but its the way of the world the sooner you accept it the better. The media ruins a competent military's ability to do what it takes to win a war. Were forced to pull punches and play nice just because a bunch of hippies dont want some random kid to die."Yeah it sucks when a reporter finds out about the atrocities that a competent military preforms on a daily basis. Damn the media damn them for their moral outcries. And fuck the hippies too for not wanting to be associated with a government that would allow such things to occur."
To be fair, the Israeli military isn't likely to be trained as peace keepers. Like the Americans, they are trained to kill people. The idea that the military have some obligation to be nice is a modern concept that some would rather ignore, because it's ineffective. People forget that this kind of thing is apart of war by its very nature, and of course they are appalled. They aught to be, imo, war is appalling. Here we have one that should have never happened, but it did. Atrocities are being committed on both sides, it's a little ignorant to lay blame on either one of them alone.
"serbsta said:Yeah... i thought he was trying to fool me. Grrrrr."The_Ish said:"Icil said:Is that a trick question?""I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting."
Nothing is stopping Isreal from starting a genocide? Really? Then where is the genocide?
"
i wish the us government would just stop stickin its nose in foriegn affairs. the founding fathers warned against it, and now we face terrorism everyday because of it.
"i wish the us government would just stop stickin its nose in foriegn affairs. the founding fathers warned against it, and now we face terrorism everyday because of it. "The US government is not sticking its nose anywhere, its been STUCK in for a very long time and its not coming out. Jews number quite a few in US congress, its ignorant to assume they have no say in how much aid gets sent to Israel and what the US gets involved in in that area.
"I recently wrote an article on this subject:People like snipzor dont care about all the jews killed and how they are attacked constantly. Only how poor poor hamas is getting their ass kicked.The anti-war sentiment is somewhat disturbing. Hamas launched 6,646 mortars on Southern Israel over a period of 3 years, and now when Israel decides to defend itself the global media becomes one giant "keep your hands to yourself" diplomat. Pure ignorance."
"serbsta said:That map is from a website entitled jew watch...so I question the accuracy of it."The_Ish said:"Icil said:Is that a trick question?""I don't want to spark any hatred here, but I felt as though I should share how the Arabs are feeling right now because I have family there and I've lived there for a while.
The Arab world has lived in that region for thousands of years. Isreal comes in and gets some land. That's cool, that's fine. Then, Isreal becomes a nuclear power. So now we have all these Arab nations with thousand year histories being threatened (not directly, but implicitly) by a country with the capability of wiping the entire Arab culture and people off the map in a few hours. Isreal, by the way, is only this threatening because of America's gigantic funding of their military. So, naturally, they consider America the cause of this.
Being angry at Isreal is the Arabs' second reaction. The first is fear. They believe that there's nothing stopping Isreal from issuing a genocide order. Lots of Arab soldiers are willing to die because they believe that if they do nothing, their own deaths and that of their people is approaching. I know this because I have friends in Hezbollah. And, before this post gets too long, I'll mention that 90% of Hamas' funding goes to social projects and community building. 10% is for their military operations. Hamas and Hezbollah are considered heroes of the Arab world: building schools, refurbishing mosques, etc.
So you have to imagine what Isreal's actions look like to the arab people right now. They believe it's starting."
Nothing is stopping Isreal from starting a genocide? Really? Then where is the genocide?
"
Regardless of that, most people don't understand that Palestinians are Syrians, and the whole reason they claim Israel is because when Saldin sacked Jursalem he had the city signed over to him. That was 900 years ago, and before that it was in possession by the Jewish king Baldwin the IV. Saldin empire was settled in Damascus in modern day Syria. The muslims claim the land through conquest 900 years ago.
Israel is well within there power to take back the land, not saying you may agree with it, but that is how things are done. Also the point about the kid being killed, well that is sad, but how about the lack of living conditions that drive kids to terrorism. I would rather see them work out this conflict for good, than see this drag on for more years.
"BODDAH said:People like you do not care for facts. You consistently call me Anti-Semitic (Even though both parties are to be considered Semitic) and neglect to show any quotes for proof."I recently wrote an article on this subject:People like snipzor dont care about all the jews killed and how they are attacked constantly. Only how poor poor hamas is getting their ass kicked."The anti-war sentiment is somewhat disturbing. Hamas launched 6,646 mortars on Southern Israel over a period of 3 years, and now when Israel decides to defend itself the global media becomes one giant "keep your hands to yourself" diplomat. Pure ignorance."
thabigred: That map is from a website entitled jew watch...so I question the accuracy of it.
Regardless of that, most people don't understand that Palestinians are Syrians, and the whole reason they claim Israel is because when Saldin sacked Jursalem he had the city signed over to him. That was 900 years ago, and before that it was in possession by the Jewish king Baldwin the IV. Saldin empire was settled in Damascus in modern day Syria. The muslims claim the land through conquest 900 years ago.
Israel is well within there power to take back the land, not saying you may agree with it, but that is how things are done. Also the point about the kid being killed, well that is sad, but how about the lack of living conditions that drive kids to terrorism. I would rather see them work out this conflict for good, than see this drag on for more years.
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