Manditory Drug Tests

I don't know what you guys in the UK and other countries have to deal with, but here in the US of stupid A have to deal with something called Pre-Employment Drug Screening. More often than not in order to get a job, you're hair or urine must be tested to determine if you are what they would generalize as being a "druggy" and thus unfit to work. 
 
As a responsible, avid pot smoker this really gets on my nerves. A totally clean pedaphile murdering freak could get a job somewhere, but because I like to relax with a joint in my off hours, I get segregated. I strongly feel that somebody should be hired based on their character and ability to do the work, and not what we do on our own PRIVATE time outside of the job. 
 
I'd also be interested to know how employers in other countries operate when it comes to this. What say you all?

give it up

Ehh, if I know I'm going to apply at a place that does that, I'll stop and detox for a good bit before taking the test. It sucks but my complaining isn't going to change anything. Oh and get ready for the weed haters to get all up in here. 

They should replace the drug screenings with spelling tests.

They should replace the drug screenings with spelling tests.

Just detox ahead of time, man.
 
@TheSeductiveMoose said:

They should replace the drug screenings with spelling tests.

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

@TheSeductiveMoose said:

They should replace the drug screenings with spelling tests.

Imo grammer is more important. Sentance sturcture is necessary to being readalbe.

I agree that smoking weed should be legal as long as it's legal to smoke and drink now, but if you choose to do it then you accept the social stigmas that come with it. If you show up to job interviews stinking of weed then don't expect to get a job there, just like if you show up stinking of booze.

@example1013 said:

@TheSeductiveMoose said:

They should replace the drug screenings with spelling tests.

Imo grammer is more important. Sentance sturcture is necessary to being readalbe.

I literally have no idea what you just said.

I'm just waiting for a world like Gattaca to come along and test my DNA and say no thanks for employment because I might get cancer or some shit in twenty years.

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

I have been detoxing, I haven't touched the stuff in a month as I am trying to get a decent job. It just sucks that a personal lifestyle choice - one that I truly believe to be less destructive than alcohol - is still a determining factor in my worthiness as an employee. @melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

I don't know what you guys in the UK and other countries have to deal with, but here in the US of stupid A have to deal with something called Pre-Employment Drug Screening. More often than not in order to get a job, you're hair or urine must be tested to determine if you are what they would generalize as being a "druggy" and thus unfit to work.   As a responsible, avid pot smoker this really gets on my nerves. A totally clean pedaphile murdering freak could get a job somewhere, but because I like to relax with a joint in my off hours, I get segregated. I strongly feel that somebody should be hired based on their character and ability to do the work, and not what we do on our own PRIVATE time outside of the job.   I'd also be interested to know how employers in other countries operate when it comes to this. What say you all?

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

I have been detoxing, I haven't touched the stuff in a month as I am trying to get a decent job. It just sucks that a personal lifestyle choice - one that I truly believe to be less destructive than alcohol - is still a determining factor in my worthiness as an employee. @melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

Also, I kind of meant pedaphiles or murderers who haven't accrued a record. You know, the one's that get away with it.

@melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

See, I'd actually dispute this, though. True burnout potheads wouldn't ever aply for a real job, since they wouldn't want to work. It's why you find them at McDonald's and Taco Bell: that job is 90% standing around doing nothing. So someone who applies for a job where he has to actually work is likely a motivated, hard-working individual, for which his choice to consume marijuana is a small part of his life, and in no way hinders his ability to work. Plus most states usually legalize it first for only medical reasons, meaning if a person has a card, the employer can't do shit, or it'd be discrimination.

I feel your pain man. Luckily my job is a temporary "Just do it until you get out of school" job where if they drug tested half the place would be empty. It's absolutely retarded that testing positive for Marijuana can put your job in jeopardy. You can swig nips and rip butts during your lunch break but Christ forbid you ever touch weed. There's not much you can do, I'm afraid, but suck it up and take the dry spell.

I am totally not going to ever pee in a cup for a drug test. I've never done any drugs in my life, but I would flatout refuse.

I've worked five jobs (all in the 21st century), a Denny's, a Friendly's, a college bookstore, a university, and a market research firm.  I have never been screened for drugs.  Would pass if I were, but haven't needed to.

I don't know what you guys in the UK and other countries have to deal with, but here in the US of stupid A have to deal with something called Pre-Employment Drug Screening. More often than not in order to get a job, you're hair or urine must be tested to determine if you are what they would generalize as being a "druggy" and thus unfit to work.   As a responsible, avid pot smoker this really gets on my nerves. A totally clean pedaphile murdering freak could get a job somewhere, but because I like to relax with a joint in my off hours, I get segregated. I strongly feel that somebody should be hired based on their character and ability to do the work, and not what we do on our own PRIVATE time outside of the job.   I'd also be interested to know how employers in other countries operate when it comes to this. What say you all?

@melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

See, I'd actually dispute this, though. True burnout potheads wouldn't ever aply for a real job, since they wouldn't want to work. It's why you find them at McDonald's and Taco Bell: that job is 90% standing around doing nothing. So someone who applies for a job where he has to actually work is likely a motivated, hard-working individual, for which his choice to consume marijuana is a small part of his life, and in no way hinders his ability to work. Plus most states usually legalize it first for only medical reasons, meaning if a person has a card, the employer can't do shit, or it'd be discrimination.

@example1013 said:

@melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

See, I'd actually dispute this, though. True burnout potheads wouldn't ever aply for a real job, since they wouldn't want to work. It's why you find them at McDonald's and Taco Bell: that job is 90% standing around doing nothing. So someone who applies for a job where he has to actually work is likely a motivated, hard-working individual, for which his choice to consume marijuana is a small part of his life, and in no way hinders his ability to work. Plus most states usually legalize it first for only medical reasons, meaning if a person has a card, the employer can't do shit, or it'd be discrimination.

If the guy was responsible and smart, he would realize that setting aside weed to obtain a good job is more important than complaining about drug tests. I think that drug tests suck but I would rather stop smoking than continuing to "fight the system". This society thinks weed is some sort of devil plant and it's very unlikely that that will change for a while, so I have no problem playing along if it means that I'll get a decent job. 

@example1013 said:
 Alcoholics and binge drinkers are far more reckless, stupid, and corrupt than pot smokers.

I've been drug tested 3 times. First was by my parents when I was 15 years old, they thought I was doing drugs. I passed
Second one was by my school when I was 16 years old, they thought I was doing drugs. I passed 
Third one was by my second employer when I was 18 years old just because it's required by them. I passed. 

I'm all for drug screenings before getting a job. My only civilian jobs have been pre-school teaching and security, those industries seem to demand an employee be screened. A background check is demanded my employers as well. Don't be that guy that says "fuck, the system doesn't allow me to break the law!".  
 
Keep in mind that if you're actively breaking the law, you run the risk of getting caught. To an employer, you're a risk. What happens when you get arrested before a shift? 

al tha bs drug testn. let peopl liv the plant man. its gods gift. we shuld all liv the plant. no hate.

Well then how the hell do you know that they killed someone if they "got away with it"? A situation like that is kinda ridiculous. It's not like a job will have a special test that will detect murderers/pedophiles who escaped conviction. 

@Axxol: I'm trying to address the validity of the process, not how I can dodge the end result. Sure I could stop smoking pot (and I have briefly) but what about alcoholics? They get to drink and drink and drink.  
@Afroman269 said:

Well then how the hell do you know that they killed someone if they "got away with it"? A situation like that is kinda ridiculous. It's not like a job will have a special test that will detect murderers/pedophiles who escaped conviction. 

Forget the murderers statement, it was hyperbole. Lets go with alcoholics. Is that more reasonable?

Im sure if you go to work drunk you will be fired.

In germany, this is kinda unheard of and considered an invasion of your personal space, if I remember correctly. I think it´s OK if you apply for some kind of dangerous job, like a Pilot, but someone taking calls at a Callcenter is to be measured by his ability to take calls and not the things he does in his free time. 

Indeed. This.

@Dagbiker

You are being judged on your character, and that character should not smoke pot.

@melcene said:

@Unknown_Pleasures said:

No a pedophile could not get a job anywhere, sex offenders probably have an extremely tough time getting jobs.....and if you want a good job you're going to have to give it up, whether you agree or not its still an illegal activity and companies have every right to not higher someone who breaks the law.

This.   Also, even if it becomes legal, I think many employers will still choose to screen and not to hire on that basis.  They can already choose not to hire people if they smoke cigarettes.

See, I'd actually dispute this, though. True burnout potheads wouldn't ever aply for a real job, since they wouldn't want to work. It's why you find them at McDonald's and Taco Bell: that job is 90% standing around doing nothing. So someone who applies for a job where he has to actually work is likely a motivated, hard-working individual, for which his choice to consume marijuana is a small part of his life, and in no way hinders his ability to work. Plus most states usually legalize it first for only medical reasons, meaning if a person has a card, the employer can't do shit, or it'd be discrimination.

@Dagbiker said:

You are being judged on your character, and that character should not smoke pot.

And alcoholics should continue to drink and beat their wives in front of their kids. Cause all users are all alike, right??

Maybe stop breaking the law?

You're making no distinction between someone who drinks alcohol and someone who is an alcoholic in your argument. 
 
Alcohol is not illegal, but if someone turned up to work drunk they'd probably be fired. As for drinking outside of work the employer doesn't care because drinking alcohol, whatever your personal opinion of it happens to be, is not an illegal activity.

I'm all for drug screenings before getting a job. My only civilian jobs have been pre-school teaching and security, those industries seem to demand an employee be screened. A background check is demanded my employers as well. Don't be that guy that says "fuck, the system doesn't allow me to break the law!".   Keep in mind that if you're actively breaking the law, you run the risk of getting caught. To an employer, you're a risk. What happens when you get arrested before a shift? 

Maybe stop breaking the law?

@EpicSteve said:

I'm all for drug screenings before getting a job. My only civilian jobs have been pre-school teaching and security, those industries seem to demand an employee be screened. A background check is demanded my employers as well. Don't be that guy that says "fuck, the system doesn't allow me to break the law!".   Keep in mind that if you're actively breaking the law, you run the risk of getting caught. To an employer, you're a risk. What happens when you get arrested before a shift? 

Drug screens for those jobs, fine. But marijuana should be treated the same as alcohol, because its half as debilitating - long term or short term. That has been proven in countless studies. The reason its illegal has everything to do with the cotton lobbyists and the laws they demanded be instilled to keep hemp from competing in the market.

Shut up assholes. If you know you're getting a job, quit smoking the ganja a month in advance. No sense in bitching about it. Or stick to things like acid and MDMA which is outta your system in minutes and can't really be tested for. My company takes it a step further and brings drug dogs into our work camp and fires everyone. And on top of that, if an incident happens, everyone on the crew related to the incident OR NOT gets a drug test and everyone gets fired. It's not hard to follow the rules, I don't let these punk ass substances control my life. Anyone who fails a drug test or gets fired for drug use is a weepy bleeding pussssyyyy

@EpicSteve said:

I'm all for drug screenings before getting a job. My only civilian jobs have been pre-school teaching and security, those industries seem to demand an employee be screened. A background check is demanded my employers as well. Don't be that guy that says "fuck, the system doesn't allow me to break the law!".   Keep in mind that if you're actively breaking the law, you run the risk of getting caught. To an employer, you're a risk. What happens when you get arrested before a shift? 

Drug screens for those jobs, fine. But marijuana should be treated the same as alcohol, because its half as debilitating - long term or short term. That has been proven in countless studies. The reason its illegal has everything to do with the cotton lobbyists and the laws they demanded be instilled to keep hemp from competing in the market.

I'm going to add this: Bush was on record having done coke. Became president anyways. Arnold Swarchenegger is on film ("Pumping Iron") smoking pot. Became governor. So these high public positions are immune to the stigma, but I can't get a job at Office depot because its considered "Illegal"? Please. Hypocrisy all around.