Time Travelers From The Future Could Be Here In Weeks

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Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang of creation.

Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.

The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.

That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.

Time travel was born when Albert Einstein's colleague, Kurt Gödel, used Einstein's theory of relativity to show that travel into the past was possible.


Ever since he unveiled this idea in 1949, eminent physicists have argued against time travel because it undermines ideas of cause and effect to create paradoxes: a time traveller could go back to kill his grandfather so that he is never born in the first place.

But, sixty years later, there is still no fundamental reason why time travellers cannot put historians out of business.

But the Russians argue that when the energies of the LHC are concentrated into a subatomic particle - a trillionth the size of a mosquito - they can do strange things to the fabric of the universe, which is a blend of space and time that scientists called spacetime.

While Earth's gravity produces gentle distortions in spacetime the LHC energy can distort time so much that it loops back on itself. These loops are known to physicists as "closed timelike curves" and they ought, at least in theory, to allow us to revisit some past moment.

The scheme chimes with one laid out in 1988, when Prof Kip Thorne and colleagues at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, showed that wormholes, or tunnels through spacetime, would allow time travel, a scheme popularised by Carl Sagan in his novel - made into a film - Contact.

Prof Aref'eva and Dr Volovich believe the LHC could create wormholes and so allow a form of time travel. "We realised that closed timelike curves and wormholes could also be a result of collisions of particles," Prof Aref'eva says.

There are still plenty of obstacles for the likes of Dr Who, however. Not least of them is the fact that these are mini wormholes, so only subatomic particles are small enough to travel through them.

They tell The Daily Telegraph that whether subatomic time travel in the LHC would open the doors for human scale time travellers "is a deep and interesting question" but stress that "these problems, and many others as well, require further investigations."

Probably the best we can hope for is that the LHC may show a signature of the wormholes' existence, Dr Volovich says. If some of the energy from collisions in the LHC goes missing, it could be because the collisions created particles that have travelled into a wormhole and through time.

One sticking point until now for wormhole concepts is finding an exotic kind of material capable of keeping the maw of the wormhole open for time travel.

Dark energy - a mysterious antigravity force that is thought to pervade the universe - could, they say, be just what is needed to keep the entrance to a wormhole open, at least according to one family of ideas about its nature, where it is called phantom energy.

If a blend of colliding particles and phantom energy does create a wormhole in Geneva this year, an advanced civilisation could find it in their history books, pinpoint the moment, and take advantage of their technology to pay us a visit.

"The observational evidence still allows for phantom energy," says Robert Caldwell, a physicist at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire. "As for Aref'eva and Volovich's speculation that the LHC will produce the stuff of time machines - ugh!"

A leading scientist who believes that time travel may be possible, Prof David Deutsch of Oxford University, comments: "It's speculative in the extreme, but not cranky. For various reasons I don't think the mechanism they propose would work (i.e. provide a pathway for messages from the future) even if their speculations are true."

Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."

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#2  Edited By Nude_Dude

tl;dr.

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#3  Edited By Emilio

Yeah, we're all dead.

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#4  Edited By Shawn

I'm scared :(

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#5  Edited By Mourne

Well, if the theory behind colliding particles proves true... "Traveling" into the future will be possible, but not the past (at least not for us).

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#6  Edited By Solid_SnakeXx

This is scary really, i dont want this to happen :(:( is too much power for humans. I m sure well do something wrong

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#7  Edited By ArchScabby

I thought they started this thing up last week?

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#8  Edited By Ubergeist
ArchScabby said:
"I thought they started this thing up last week?"
As of August 2008 the majority of the LHC ring is now cooled to the 1.9 K (−271.25 °C) operating temperature. The initial particle beams are due for injection in August 2008,the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for Sept. 10, 2008 and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on October 21, 2008.
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#9  Edited By Hewkii
Mourne said:
"Well, if the theory behind colliding particles proves true... "Traveling" into the future will be possible, but not the past (at least not for us)."
  traveling to the future is easy, you just have to go fast enough.
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#10  Edited By DARKIDO07

Time Travel is a myth and if it even could be done, the consequences of changing anything could be catastrophic, and destroy many lives.

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#11  Edited By Ubergeist
DARKIDO07 said:
"Time Travel is a myth and if it even could be done, the consequences of changing anything could be catastrophic, and destroy many lives."
Unless the "multiple worldline theory" is correct.
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#12  Edited By TenderTalons
Ubergeist said:
"...If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."
I wanna shake hands with this guy.
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#13  Edited By atejas

When the fuck is the LHC going off anyway? wasnt it delayed or something?

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#14  Edited By Ubergeist
atejas said:
"When the fuck is the LHC going off anyway? wasnt it delayed or something?"
Ubergeist said:
"ArchScabby said:
"I thought they started this thing up last week?"
As of August 2008 the majority of the LHC ring is now cooled to the 1.9 K (−271.25 °C) operating temperature. The initial particle beams are due for injection in August 2008,the first attempt to circulate a beam through the entire LHC is scheduled for Sept. 10, 2008 and the first high-energy collisions are planned to take place after the LHC is officially unveiled, on October 21, 2008."
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Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it.

I've heard this guy speaking before, he's brilliant. 
Even if we could travel into the past, it should never be allowed.

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#16  Edited By crunchUK
Hewkii said:
"Mourne said:
"Well, if the theory behind colliding particles proves true... "Traveling" into the future will be possible, but not the past (at least not for us)."
  traveling to the future is easy, you just have to go fast enough."
he's right you need to hit 88mph
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#17  Edited By gunslinger
crunchUK said:
"Hewkii said:
"Mourne said:
"Well, if the theory behind colliding particles proves true... "Traveling" into the future will be possible, but not the past (at least not for us)."
  traveling to the future is easy, you just have to go fast enough."
he's right you need to hit 88mph"
   But for something that powerful, you'd need something like... a bolt of lightning! It's the only thing to get 1.21 Gigawatts!

  Man, that'd be so awesome if time travellers from the future had gone back, and that was actually how they time-travelled..
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#18  Edited By HazBazz

Shit, we're all going to be killed to death

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HazBazz said:
"Shit, we're all going to be killed to death"
   Yeah, as opposed to when you usually get killed, and you're still alive.

  But if this is getting killed to death, then I guess we should be careful....
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thought this was red alert 3 related when i read the title

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#21  Edited By Termite
Gunslinger said:
"crunchUK said:
"Hewkii said:
"Mourne said:
"Well, if the theory behind colliding particles proves true... "Traveling" into the future will be possible, but not the past (at least not for us)."
  traveling to the future is easy, you just have to go fast enough."
he's right you need to hit 88mph"
   But for something that powerful, you'd need something like... a bolt of lightning! It's the only thing to get 1.21 Gigawatts!

  Man, that'd be so awesome if time travellers from the future had gone back, and that was actually how they time-travelled.."
Hahah, yeah.

Every person on the face of the Earth that saw that movie would be like "Oh shiiiiiiittttttt"
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#22  Edited By HazBazz
Gunslinger said:
"HazBazz said:
"Shit, we're all going to be killed to death"
   Yeah, as opposed to when you usually get killed, and you're still alive.

  But if this is getting killed to death, then I guess we should be careful...."
thanks for explaining my joke to me, I was afraid I wouldn't get it for a minute there
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#23  Edited By semicolon1twlev2

Why are people so scared?  I doubt anything will happen.  The whole idea of time is far beyond human understanding.  Everything we know isn't truly known.  It's based off of our observations and experimentations.  We can only know as much as we make ourselves know.  I doubt we'll be correct in this wormhole time thing.

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#24  Edited By Vaxadrin

What they think will happen:

-Activate LHC
-Hot alien space babes from the future come through
-Mass Effect style sex for everybody

What will really happen:

-Press the button
-Create another Big Bang
-50 billion years later another version of me makes this post on the new Giant Bomb

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#25  Edited By HazBazz
dreDREb13 said:
"Why are people so scared?  I doubt anything will happen.
Its kind of an internet joke, everyone says the LHC will destry the world and everyone on it.
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#26  Edited By semicolon1twlev2
HazBazz said:
"dreDREb13 said:
"Why are people so scared?  I doubt anything will happen.
Its kind of an internet joke, everyone says the LHC will destry the world and everyone on it."
Yeah, I've heard that, but this post has nothing to do with that.  Sure, it's got the LHC, but there's nothing about that whole thingy-ma-jigger.
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#27  Edited By Clean

screw that. not a good idea

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#28  Edited By jlaudio7

tl;dr.

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#30  Edited By neoepoch
SmugDarkLoser said:
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its a flawed idea.- wouldn't they have already have came back?

"
Unless they were all destroyed because they activated the LHC.