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#1  Edited By Hamz

Alright, I said i would elaborate on why I locked down the Bomb Squad topic as many of you requested a more detailed explanation.  I realize not all of you will have been online at the time when it got locked, so here is the reason:

Spam. Far too much of it was going on in the Bomb Squad topics and if you have been in the IRC channel for the past few days and been following the v2.0 and v3.0 Bomb Squad topics, you'll have noticed that I hinted and even openly said that if the topics continue to be filled with spam we will lock them for good.  I warned you all and gave you a chance by suggesting an idea to enhance and create more productive conversation and discussion in the Bomb Squad topics, but you all said Bomb Squad was meant to be essentially a chatroom. Wrong.

Bomb Squad was created because so many people called out for a Roll Call thread and at the time, the site was new, people were getting to know one another and it seemed like a good idea.  We gave in and created it for you in the hopes it wouldn't turn into a mindless spam topic,  We added some rules and people ignored them completely.  In the end, we felt Bomb Squad was turning into nothing but a chatroom and spam topic and now with trolls coming into the topic and people commenting, replying and quoting them.  We just felt it was time to call an end to the spam and to the Bomb Squad topic.  Trolling and pointless discussion where it seemed all people were doing is increasing their post count forced our hand even after we gave you all the chance.

With that I would also like to mention that the WAYLT topic has been locked as well.  Again, it has just fallen into the mindless spam category which seems to be a trend in the Off Topic board. And that is NOT what Off Topic is for, its a board designed to talk and discuss about subjects not related to gaming.  We have been very lenient with the types of topics that appear in OT so far, but many of them are nothing more than spam topics.  Since we are working on a new and revised FAQ for the forums we are taking the first steps to begin cracking down on the amount of spam that occurs in OT.

I understand a number of you will be pissed off and that's fair enough, but all I have to say is you were given plenty of warnings and opportunities and nothing changed. If you want to socialize with other users then use wall comments on profiles, PM's and the IRC chatroom.  Also, game specific forums can be a good place to socialize with other users as long as you're actually staying on-topic.

Programs such as Chatzilla for FireFox and the mIRC Client can be used to access the IRC channel on a PC. For Mac users i believe Colloquy can be used, haven't tested it myself.

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We aren't punishing all of you who posted in the BS for what skul or ic9 did, do not interpret it that way. We are trying to make Giant Bomb better, and this is something we felt would help.

Don't think that we moderators have it out for all of you, that is not the case. So many times over my e-life, I've seen people bash mods for having a vendetta against fun. I had never personally witnessed it, but with all the complaining, I thought it had to be the truth. Now, as a moderator my self, I think I see where the accusations are rooted.

Some of you may be familiar with the fundamental attribution error, which states that many people erroneously attribute negative actions to the nature of a person when the situation they are in is a much stronger factor. I feel people commit this error concerning moderators all over the place. We don't want to end fun, we just want a greater number of people to enjoy themselves. Only a small number of people actually enjoy mindless forum chatter, most feel it belongs in a chat room (and it does). We aren't born mean people, we are simply put into situations that require us to get mean at times. When our goal is only to improve things, people think we are destroying their fun. For me, my only goal has been to promote discussion of one of my passions in life, gaming. Unfortunately, I've seen to many good users leave because good gaming discussion is ignored while "rate the user above you" and topics like BS have hundreds, even thousands of posts.

You must understand the situation we are all in. We've hit a point where we must go one way or another as a forum, down the road of anarchy, ending up as the final resting place for those banned from every other forum, or a place where people can go and discuss gaming with others, and enjoy an experience free of  "QFT" or "lulz yer rong" posts. Why do so many people complain about a place like gamespot having no good users left? Because the trolls in system wars were rampant, and the off topic attracted those who openly hated on video games, they just wanted a place to chat. It is a tough situation, and out of love for the place we have been since the beginning, we only want to see love for giant bomb.

In the end, topics like BS only attract users like Skulsoldier or Italycanadian9. I'd be surprised if you could find one instance of them actually discussing video games (aside from a favorite game or something). I, as does the rest of the mod team, want Giant bomb to be a great place. I hope you guys can understand this, and do the best to help us out. Thanks for reading my rant."




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#2  Edited By Jecrell

As a regular of the IRC chat channel I'd gladly welcome any newcomers.

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#3  Edited By brukaoru

I understand the reasoning behind closing the Bomb Squad thread and respect that decision.

Good write-up Hamz. :)

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#4  Edited By Karmum

Well, I think, this is for the better. Hopefully everyone can move on from this, it will probably be better in the long run, anyways. Hopefully there will be fresh new faces in the IRC channel.

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#5  Edited By DualReaver

I am still not happy about this but fine.

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#6  Edited By Black_Rose

To be honest i don't think it's fair to punish all of us for a few spamers and trolls, sure there was a lot of bullshit going on but at times there was actual conversation

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#7  Edited By RandomHero666

Good choice, it was beginning to stink up the place.
personally i think the IRC is way better

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#8  Edited By Jayge_

I have some choice words, but out of minor respect for Hamz and due to my own laziness and fatigue, I'll just leave you with this message to interpret as you will.

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#9  Edited By twenty0ne

To be honest Hamz, this completely sucks. You guys are locking down what made Giant Bomb fun... a home, per-say. I thought Giant Bomb was going to be different - no censorship, no harsh mods etc.

This is not what I expected, and I'm utterly disappointed. I'm not going to some stupid IRC - that's not the same and not an acceptable alternative.

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#10  Edited By mike

Now that BS is closed for good, maybe you guys can direct some of your posting energy into threads that hold some actual discussion value?  Just a thought.

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#11  Edited By weltal

Despite the fact that I have no interest in the BS topic, it's still somewhat saddening to see the reality slip in and make ya realize that this will eventually become like so many other censored internet forums. This isn't say I blame GB staff or MODs, but just the annoying status quo of the internet forum.

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#12  Edited By Shawn

I have no problems going to the IRC while BS gets unlocked, even if it doesn't I'm ok.

Let's just all be friends and hug mmkay?

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#13  Edited By mike

If you guys don't like IRC, another alternative is to start a master PM that includes all of the Bomb Squad regulars.  Presto, your own private forum.

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#14  Edited By Clean

EDIT -  I don't like CHANGE

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#15  Edited By DarthMaul

I can deal with it.
I make plenty of good, quality discussion topics and I can discuss there; I just felt BS was a cool place to go to chat with users. Oh well.

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#16  Edited By Shocker
twenty0ne said:
"To be honest Hamz, this completely sucks. You guys are locking down what made Giant Bomb fun... a home, per-say. I thought Giant Bomb was going to be different - no censorship, no harsh mods etc.

This is not what I expected, and I'm utterly disappointed. I'm not going to some stupid IRC - that's not the same and not an acceptable alternative."
Agreed. I will miss Bomb Squad...
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#17  Edited By twenty0ne

EDIT - Whatever. This is total bullshit and I thought GB was better than this. Guess not.

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#18  Edited By Karmum

I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB.

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#19  Edited By mike
Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users.
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#20  Edited By Karmum
MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there.
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#21  Edited By Hulk

But that's pointlesKarmum said:

"MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there."
It's pointless to do that since BS was just a chat thread for Giant Bomb users to use on the forum, if they still want to continue to chat and use IRC to do so then that is what #GiantBomb is for.  Making another room would do nothing but dilute the IRC activity.
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#22  Edited By Pleasureizmine

NON SENSE the bomb squad is made for spam

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#23  Edited By DarthMaul

I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam.

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#24  Edited By tokyochicken
Hulk said:
"But that's pointlesKarmum said:
"MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there."
It's pointless to do that since BS was just a chat thread for Giant Bomb users to use on the forum, if they still want to continue to chat and use IRC to do so then that is what #GiantBomb is for.  Making another room would do nothing but dilute the IRC activity."
Yeah I agree with hulk, guys jump in the irc were a welcoming bunch of guys we dont bite!
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#25  Edited By Pleasureizmine

I deem this to be horseshit who wants a IRC, the community wants the bomb squad and the waylt threads. By closing them down you have just FEED the troll more then he ever could of imagined. The secret hideout demands satisfaction.

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#26  Edited By semicolon1twlev2

The only problem is, it seems to be getting to a point where I don't know if my thread will be locked or not.  I just feel a bit worried about this stuff, is all.  I still love GiantBomb.  I just don't want it to become something where I'm afraid to post.

Either way, I could try out the IRC, I guess...

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#27  Edited By Karmum
Hulk said:
"But that's pointlesKarmum said:
"MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there."
It's pointless to do that since BS was just a chat thread for Giant Bomb users to use on the forum, if they still want to continue to chat and use IRC to do so then that is what #GiantBomb is for.  Making another room would do nothing but dilute the IRC activity."
Some users come to GB just for the Bomb Squad, actually, so I guess the name would attract them in, I know it sounds (trust me, I feel stupid for it) stupid, but I don't think they will go to the GB IRC alone. I wish they would.
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#28  Edited By Clean

I feel like they are locking us up in a glass filled with emotion.

please let us out.

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#29  Edited By Player1

Thank you man. Off topic has been a spam fest this weekend, I really hope it gets better. For anyone who reads this, please stop the RATe HoW popular THE user above you is!! And RAte the persons BIo. Threads. 

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#30  Edited By Pleasureizmine

Spam will only increase with out the Bomb Squad threads, this is a foolish move that has obviously pissed of the community, aside form the ass kissers and heretics.

You know who you are.

You have been banned from the secret hideout.

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#31  Edited By Shocker
DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
I don't care about the WAYLT topic getting closed since there really is no discussion. But I still see no reason for BS to be locked. I think it's ridiculous.
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#32  Edited By Hulk
DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
Hulk pretty much feel the same way.  The off-topic forum is created for silly goofy threads where people will chit chat and joke around.  For the "serious videogame discussions" there is General Discussion and the various other sub-boards.  As long as there is no racism, porn, excessive flaming, etc there should hardly be any reason for threads to be locked/deleted.

Hulk sees threads all the time that are reminiscent of something Jeff, Ryan, Brad, or Vinny themselves might find funny and post, but since it's not by them a mod will lock it and leave some condescending remark to the topic starter, which only leads to fuel further animosity.  There's more to being a mod than just having the ability to perform mod actions, it also takes people skills and the ability to communicate politely.
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#33  Edited By Clean

This is going to be the end.

Soon they lock our freedom of speech, swearing isn't allowed.

Then, System Wars will come back and then bang no more trolling results in ban.

The end is near.

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#34  Edited By Pleasureizmine

We giant bombers will break free from the cage you have locked us in, we refuse to live in the cage of fear built and fortified by mods.

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#35  Edited By Shocker
Pleasureizmine said:
"Spam will only increase with out the Bomb Squad threads, this is a foolish move that has obviously pissed of the community, aside form the ass kissers and heretics.

You know who you are.

You have been banned from the secret hideout."
Right on Casey.
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#36  Edited By DarthMaul

I came here three days ago and loved it, and now this place is just going downhill. Way to go.

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#37  Edited By Jayge_
DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
The WAYLT was a joke, I'll admit that.
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#38  Edited By Pleasureizmine
Bombnarok has begun, welcome to Gamespot 2.0
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#39  Edited By DualReaver
Shocker said:
"Pleasureizmine said:
"Spam will only increase with out the Bomb Squad threads, this is a foolish move that has obviously pissed of the community, aside form the ass kissers and heretics.

You know who you are.

You have been banned from the secret hideout."
Right on Casey."
Oh my god that made me lol.
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#40  Edited By Lies
Karmum said:
"Hulk said:
"But that's pointlesKarmum said:
"MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there."
It's pointless to do that since BS was just a chat thread for Giant Bomb users to use on the forum, if they still want to continue to chat and use IRC to do so then that is what #GiantBomb is for.  Making another room would do nothing but dilute the IRC activity."
Some users come to GB just for the Bomb Squad, actually, so I guess the name would attract them in, I know it sounds (trust me, I feel stupid for it) stupid, but I don't think they will go to the GB IRC alone. I wish they would."
Yeah, but see, BS has disowned you. And you make no sense.

Anyways, I posted in here before, but it got BALEETED, even though my point was perfectly valid. So I'll reiterate I guess. Bombsquad wasn't a spam topic. That seems to be the popular perception, but you'd be wrong if you thought that. BS is pretty much one big rolling discussion, on various topics, and it's a nice chat thread. WHat people have to say in there is valuable, and we don't just go in there and go "POST COUNT +1". Yes, trolls come in there, but they come to other parts of the forum as well. A mod team that's doing their job can handle trolls easily, and it's no reason to lock an otherwise valuable thread.

BS promotes discussion, community, fun, and discourse. We strongly discourage spammers, and report frequent spammers and trolls to the mods in an attempt to keep the topic clean. If these aren't the ingredients of a successful topic, I don't know what is.
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#41  Edited By Shocker
DarthMaul said:
"I came here three days ago and loved it, and now this place is just going downhill. Way to go."
Ever since this site opened I loved it. Now it's getting ridiculous... I'm going to be here less and less.
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#42  Edited By DarthMaul
Jayge said:
"DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
The WAYLT was a joke, I'll admit that."
Yeah, but that's the point of WAYLT topics... stating what you're listening to... people can look at what you're listening to and want to try out that band or something. I already did that for like 3 bands since coming here.
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#43  Edited By Shocker
DarthMaul said:
"Jayge said:
"DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
The WAYLT was a joke, I'll admit that."
Yeah, but that's the point of WAYLT topics... stating what you're listening to... people can look at what you're listening to and want to try out that band or something. I already did that for like 3 bands since coming here."
That is a very good point.
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#44  Edited By Jayge_
DarthMaul said:
"Jayge said:
"DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
The WAYLT was a joke, I'll admit that."
Yeah, but that's the point of WAYLT topics... stating what you're listening to... people can look at what you're listening to and want to try out that band or something. I already did that for like 3 bands since coming here."
For some reason there is a stigma against "+1's" here, although I don't get why. Nobody gives a shit about post count or trolls because of it, unlike other places.
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#45  Edited By Pleasureizmine

Please mods do continue to defend your actions.

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#46  Edited By DarthMaul
Shocker said:
"DarthMaul said:
"Jayge said:
"DarthMaul said:
"I would just like to stay that I don't see what the hell is so wrong with having a chat topic. Do we really all have to have a huge PM chat in order to talk to each other? We should be allowed to talk about our lives and just chat on an off-topic forum.

Also, taking the WAYLT topic down is a bit ridiculous.

You guys take the whole spam thing a bit too far. It's an off-topic forum... these kinds of things should be allowed. Go to any other forum on a different site and you'll find chatting topics and WAYLT topics. They don't overreact to spam that's not spam."
The WAYLT was a joke, I'll admit that."
Yeah, but that's the point of WAYLT topics... stating what you're listening to... people can look at what you're listening to and want to try out that band or something. I already did that for like 3 bands since coming here."
That is a very good point."
Thanks. I've always done that with WAYLT topics, but now that it's gone I can't =(
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#47  Edited By brukaoru

I fully agree with locking the WAYLT topic. There was no discussion whatsoever in there. How many people honestly care what you are listening to every few minutes? It was just a +1 post count thread.

Bomb Squad was different, take away the hellos, goodbyes and how are you doing's, there was discussion in that thread. I don't think this is the end, I think maybe a new BS will be created with new rules, like not saying what I mentioned above. ^^

We'll just have to see how it goes, however I do understand why this decision happened.

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#48  Edited By DualReaver
Lies said:
"Karmum said:
"Hulk said:
"But that's pointlesKarmum said:
"MB said:
"Karmum said:
"I'm probably in the midst of making a Bomb Squad IRC, so all of this stuff can be away from GB."
The existing IRC has nothing to do with us, it was made by users."
I know that, I'm just saying making a sole IRC channel for the BS users that want to post there."
It's pointless to do that since BS was just a chat thread for Giant Bomb users to use on the forum, if they still want to continue to chat and use IRC to do so then that is what #GiantBomb is for.  Making another room would do nothing but dilute the IRC activity."
Some users come to GB just for the Bomb Squad, actually, so I guess the name would attract them in, I know it sounds (trust me, I feel stupid for it) stupid, but I don't think they will go to the GB IRC alone. I wish they would."
Yeah, but see, BS has disowned you. And you make no sense.

Anyways, I posted in here before, but it got BALEETED, even though my point was perfectly valid. So I'll reiterate I guess. Bombsquad wasn't a spam topic. That seems to be the popular perception, but you'd be wrong if you thought that. BS is pretty much one big rolling discussion, on various topics, and it's a nice chat thread. WHat people have to say in there is valuable, and we don't just go in there and go "POST COUNT +1". Yes, trolls come in there, but they come to other parts of the forum as well. A mod team that's doing their job can handle trolls easily, and it's no reason to lock an otherwise valuable thread.

BS promotes discussion, community, fun, and discourse. We strongly discourage spammers, and report frequent spammers and trolls to the mods in an attempt to keep the topic clean. If these aren't the ingredients of a successful topic, I don't know what is."
Well said mate.
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#49  Edited By Pleasureizmine
Shocker said:
"DarthMaul said:
"I came here three days ago and loved it, and now this place is just going downhill. Way to go."
Ever since this site opened I loved it. Now it's getting ridiculous... I'm going to be here less and less."
Agreed, this is outrageous personal vendetta at is best to say the least. I love how these websites always are doing shit that pisses the community off, when the power of the many is less then the power of the few this shit tends to happen,
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#50  Edited By DarthMaul
Jayge said:
For some reason there is a stigma against "+1's" here, although I don't get why. Nobody gives a shit about post count or trolls because of it, unlike other places."
There really is; I find it ridiculous.
If the site got rid of the post counter, I'm sure everything would still run the same and then we could bring back BS because that's really the only reason the BS is gone, because they think we're trying to run up our posts. We're just chatting with each other.