the graphics arent better, the gameplay is the same. the level design is the same bore.
you can fly now and turn into a kneeling statue hoptidooo. They could have done this with a patch for halo 3. 
 
halo = rip.

Glad Im not the only one. Its fun, but not really innovating at all. Anyway, I play Halo for the SP mode, not the MP. The MP is stuck in time in my opinion.

Oh, you so crazy.

Eh, I like it

It's just more Halo. if you really thought that it would be different, you are sorely mistaken. 
 
And I hate grenade spam...

Its not great, but its not bad.

The changes may seem subtle, but they drastically change the gameplay.  I'm not sure how you can claim the 'gameplay is the same'.
As someone who hated Halo 3's multiplayer, mainly because it revolved around one weapon (the battle rifle), bunny hoping and melee attacks when you get in close.  
 
None of which are viable tactics in Reach.  Plus the armour abilities, weapon bloom, health and fall damage shake up the tactics pretty well, it's actually amusing to see so many of the hardcore players complaining over on the Bungie boards because it is so different from H3.  If anything, it plays a lot more like Halo 1, which is definitely a good thing.

This thread = meh

I kind of feel the same. 
 
 
They need to really change Halo a lot for me to be interested again.

halo = meh

The graphics were extremely underwhelming.  It really did look like Halo 3.  Also the level design seemed boring and just uninspired.  Some of the new weapons are neat, and it's fun to finally be able to sprint in a Halo game, but I'm really not sold on the game at all at this point.

It's a beta, It looks better than halo 3. You're dumb.

"It's a beta, It looks better than halo 3. You're dumb. "

kthx

You can think that. I'll be over here having a blast playing Invasion going positive 15 or more. Later!

I was underwhelmed. I think I'm just Halo'd out after ODST and it wasn't wowing me enough. There are aspects I like though and it's certainly fun.

Don't really agree at all. I've been having a lot of fun. Maybe because I finally have friends I can play with.

" You can think that. I'll be over here having a blast playing Invasion going positive 15 or more. Later! "

Trollers gonna troll. op fails.

I'll be buying regardless for the co-op campaign.

why is he a troll if he insults one of ur fav games? 
 
grow up

" why is he a troll if he insults one of ur fav games?  grow up "

The Halo multiplayer experience has never been the biggest draw for me. I'm more hopeful for the campaign.

I had my first game of invasion today, and was completely lost, coupled with the fact that another team that I think were on my side immediately tried to kill me and my friend... 
 
RE: Graphics, I think it's just because the beta is running in connection with the ODST disc. Is it possible that they could be using a lot of information from that, or is it definitely completely independent of ODST? I'm an innocent here, I have absolutely no idea.

you=must not have actually played the game
 
The only thing i can think of that would make you think of that is if you didnt actually play the beta. Stick the ODST disc in and play the beta. Then put the multiplayer disc in and play it. If you still think they are exactly the same your either blind, or partial retarded. 
 
If you dont like the beta thats one thing, I could care less if you like it or not, but its a different story when you give an "opinion" about something you know nothing about. The graphics are better, the gameplay is obviously different, the engine is different, the guns are different, the story will be new, etc. Saying that it could have been a patch is laughably stupid.

" I had my first game of invasion today, and was completely lost, coupled with the fact that another team that I think were on my side immediately tried to kill me and my friend...  RE: Graphics, I think it's just because the beta is running in connection with the ODST disc. Is it possible that they could be using a lot of information from that, or is it definitely completely independent of ODST? I'm an innocent here, I have absolutely no idea. "

nice to see everyone isn't drinking the Kool-Aid, but hey maybe it will make a good rental. Lol

The gameplay is loads better than Halo 2/3.  It is Halo CE but evolved once again.  It isn't instant gratification either, like COD, BFBC, and in some respects Halo 3.  It is more skill demanding and has a lot less stupid quirks like the BR or assault+melee.  All the weapons are useful as are all the armor abilities if you know how to use them. Reach requires you to learn new mechanics to play and succeed. Also this is a beta and not a demo, so its missing almost all the features. Graphics have improved a lot but they aren't mind blowing. There are two reasons for this: It's multiplayer (Reach SP alpha look so much better) and second its a beta, so some final features and effects are missing like AO and some textures.

" @Jeffsekai said:

"It's a beta, It looks better than halo 3. You're dumb. "

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seriously they should have changed the gameplay for the MP maybe a cross between halo and modernwarfare. 
 
i was looking for a change because at the moment its no different from halo 3.

I think it might be Halo fatigue for me. The beta is ok, but not enough content for me to predict what the final game will be like. Still, I don't really feel motivated to keep playing just to unlock different-looking armor pieces.

The graphics are definitely better, maybe not if you are playing it on an old SD TV.

Hilariously, for all the complainers in this thread, I bet you all still buy it.

yeah the graphics are upgraded...quite alot infact..
Do not mistake art direction for same graphics.
Thats how halo has allways looked but its never looked better.

"This is a troll thread."

It looks better than Halo 3 but that doesn't mean very much. The graphics are competent but not impressive. Gameplay wise they have made a lot of changes but ultimately it still feels very much the same. Those saying that it's a beta and thus will get better, are wrong. The Halo 3 beta looked and played almost exactly the same as the final product. I like the game, I'm just not blown away. Bungie needed to raise their game a lot on this one and I am not sure that they did.  I'm not hating on Halo, MW2 was exactly the same as MW and yet somehow worse.

You guys bashing the OP for his opinion is embarrassing. I see the 'upgraded' graphics and it doesn't look all that great. Surely they could've pumped more out with a brand new engine? I mean, aren't they like the biggest IP in the world? 
 
Like others have said, I'm starting to get extremely bored with the Halo franchise, and adding these small little things aren't really wetting my appetite. The game still plays like an advanced version of Halo 2. I used to play COD2 all the time, and absolutely loved it. Since then, COD4 has changed the game, then MW2 has changed it even more. Sure the actual shooting is the same, but you can really tell there are big changes from all 3 games.  
 
Halo: Reach is going to be great due to the campaign/co-op. I just hope they do something to freshen up the game online.

I dont think Bungie should get anymore freepasses. They got one for halo 3 but not anymore. ofcourse at the end of the day it all depends on their PR and how much they harrass the vg journalist for a good review.

" I dont think Bungie should get anymore freepasses. They got one for halo 3 but not anymore. ofcourse at the end of the day it all depends on their PR and how much they harrass the vg journalist for a good review. "

Now you're just being a little troll.

I will say that the super-focus on teamwork makes playing by yourself one of the worst experiences of all time. For this very reason, I might now buy the game. I am a lone wolf type player, and no matter what settings I choose, I am getting matched up against teams of four (partied up) with random teammates on my team. The game itself, it's fun, but like I said, this is really ruining my experience and I haven't played the beta for days.

" @AnimalFather said:

" I dont think Bungie should get anymore freepasses. They got one for halo 3 but not anymore. ofcourse at the end of the day it all depends on their PR and how much they harrass the vg journalist for a good review. "

Now you're just being a little troll.  "