Try not to flame too hard :)
 
Anyway, recently got Painkiller off Steam and been enjoying it a lot. A nice return to old-school style FPS gaming.
 
However, I must say I really don't see the big deal about using a mouse and keyboard. I'm finding it very uncomfortable to use and cannot play for much more than an hour. I've never had any problems using a controller to aim nor do I have any problems using my mouse, I just find it extremely uncomfortable to use for long periods of time. 
 
What do you think?

Try not to flame too hard :)
 
Anyway, recently got Painkiller off Steam and been enjoying it a lot. A nice return to old-school style FPS gaming.
 
However, I must say I really don't see the big deal about using a mouse and keyboard. I'm finding it very uncomfortable to use and cannot play for much more than an hour. I've never had any problems using a controller to aim nor do I have any problems using my mouse, I just find it extremely uncomfortable to use for long periods of time. 
 
What do you think?

You'll get used to it 

I would ask you how much you have used a mouse in the past, and what mouse you're using now. With the right mouse, I get next to no fatigue, and I'm able to aim far more precisely (that fact has been made clear many times, in many games). 
 
If you very rarely use a mouse, then of course it can be difficult getting used to it. On the other hand, once you are used to it, it's a far more precise way of playing FPS games, and the issue of comfort generally goes away.

You can make much more precise movements much quicker.

Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision 
 
That's why people use a mouse and keyboard. Sorry to put it blunt.

Take more time, you can't play counter strike source with a controller. The mouse gives you more precision where you can do headshots easily. Look if your just starting out, you need more time to get used to the controls. The keyboard is probally more challenging, however most games has a similar config for fps games, so you learn a few of them, you learn them all.  
 
I used to play counter strike for 10 hours a day, you can get used to it over time. The learning curve for learning the controls might be a few months, so don't draw any conclusions right away. I belive you will be much better later on.

When I started playing PC games again in 2000, it took me a while to get used to it. I had no idea what WASD was. Now, I have a hard time playing a FPS with a dual analog controller. So, there is a small learning curve.

" Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision Precision "

"If you very rarely use a mouse, then of course it can be difficult getting used to it. On the other hand, once you are used to it, it's a far more precise way of playing FPS games, and the issue of comfort generally goes away. "

The comfort issue is mainly due to the keyboard rather than the mouse. Using WASD just doesn't feel right.... I do like the speed in which I can turn with a mouse, but as I said I just don't find it very comfortable.
 
I haven't played many games on my PC, mainly because the games that interest me are on consoles and always have been.

Gotta build up those chops bro. Just like any new controller, its weird and foreign at first, but eventually you won't even notice. 
 
Headshots are on the way.
 

I have similar issues. I understand the precision that the mouse gives you but WASD is very uncomfortable for me and Im constantly having to look down at the keyboard to find things.

KB+M is more accurate.  Period.

Personally, it's just what I grew up with. I was always drawn to the PC over the consoles, though I love both.
 
I don't think it's necessarily better or anything, though given the chance to play a game on my PC versus my Xbox I go PC every time.

basically accuracy is why mouse aiming is better than joysticks.   Almost all console fps games have aim assist so it makes people think joysticks are more accurate than they really are.

The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is.

" The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is. "

" The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is. "

Because "precision" and WSAD is much more accurate, lifelike and satisfying than pulling a trigger and using an analogue stick on something that you hold in your hand and that has force feedback.
 
Oh wait.

" The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is. "

"The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is. "

" Because "precision" and WSAD is much more accurate, lifelike and satisfying than pulling a trigger and using an analogue stick on something that you hold in your hand and that has force feedback.  Oh wait. "

It's not just "aiming" per se, but how fast  and gracefully you can turn and move through the world. See the Quake TNT for a vivid example of this.

M&K might be more precise, but I enjoy using controllers much more.
I can appreciate games like Stalker tho, feels real nice to have all your keybinds for weapons and such.

Much more precise, and more options to fine-tune the controls to fit your style.

" @Spoonman671 said:

" The mouse is definitely more accurate, but if you've learned to play with dual analogs then the difference isn't as huge as people like to pretend it is. "

I'm going to go ahead and agree with this even though you'll probably get bitched out by all the PC fans. There is a difference but it's not as drastic as people make it seem. "

It baffles me how people can be so comfortable with gamepad controls in FPS games, but I realize that whatever control scheme you grew up with and got used to is going to be the best method for you. I fumble with aiming accurately using two inaccurate sticks, but I can aim point-precise with the cheapest of computer mice. I'll agree that the keyboard is the most awkward and convoluted controller in the world for video games, but since it's the only peripheral you can be sure your average PC user is going to have, I can understand why games are designed with it in mind.

If it wasn't a big deal most console fps's wouldn't have an auto aim feature.

Its how you learned to play shooters. Most kids nowadays learned on Dual-Stick setups. The older, more curmudgeon adults here learned to play without even a mouse. And don't get me started on those in-betweeners that started on Half-Life 1.

The level of accuracy only really matters if your super serial about competitive multiplayer. I personally enjoy a console controller (well, the xbox one not the ps3 one) because it feels more intuitive and in a way it is more "life-like" because of the whole trigger thing, and being able to get a well placed headshot in a split-second is something that really doesn't happen in real life so you can't really say a mouse is more realistic.  But then again anyone who plays video games for a strong sense of realism is a dense fuck. 
 
The one thing that a mouse a keyboard definitely has advantage over is games that require a lot of commands like RPGs or RTSs.

• No aim assist
  
• Allows for faster movement and faster games in general
• More buttons allow for easier and faster weapon switching

• It just feels more comfortable to me in general

I'm going to say that I've tried to play shooters on PC quite extensively, and I actually hate the added speed. It gets to a nauseating level where it just doesn't feel right. I much prefer console controls, especially for third-person shooters. I turn the speed of movement down in Half-Life just to play it without barfing...and dude, that game sucks anyway.
 
I honestly feel like it's a preference issue, not so much a one is better than the other. The only genres I can think of as being actually better on the PC are MMOs, point-and-click adventure (duh) and strategy games (Civilization, Starcraft). Most others are just as good if not better on consoles. Platformers, anyone?

 I turn the speed of movement down in Half-Life just to play it without barfing...and dude, that game sucks anyway. 

I prefer a gamepad.  It's comfortable and portable. 

" @MormonWarrior said:

 I turn the speed of movement down in Half-Life just to play it without barfing...and dude, that game sucks anyway. 

Oh my, you will be damned for those words. Oh no you didn't. "

A Mouse user and a Controller user do a back to back 10 pace duel, guess who turns 180 degrees the quickest and shoots first.

The mouse is great.  It's precise, comfortable, and allows for a lot of customization regarding what does what.  The keyboard however, is the worst game controller ever.  It has too many buttons and you can't handle it in any comfortable way.  You have to stretch your hand to reach keys while using 2 hands.  With a mouse as well, you have one hand on the keyboard and there are keys you have to look down to reach no matter how well you've memorized the orientation of it.  Every time, I will sacrifice the precision of the mouse and use a real game controller to get out of having to deal with the goddamn keyboard.

It's definitely a preference thing. But people who say that there is no difference between M/K and controller, or that controllers are better. No... You're just plain wrong. You could argue that a controller is more comfortable/portable/realistic(?)/whatever, but the bottomline is that a mouse is just better, in the literal sense of the word. It's faster and more precise. And in FPS games, that is alpha and omega.

I turn the speed of movement down in Half-Life just to play it without barfing...and dude, that game sucks anyway.

Mouse and keyboard uncomfortable? Sounds to me like your desk/chair height level is completely messed up and non-ergonomic.

Not going to repeat what everyone already said here about precision and speed.

But my brother plays FPS mostly on consoles, while I play on the PC and watching him play the controller is not a super inferior tool for FPS once you get used to it and you can get really good with it. However most console shooters feature crazy amount of inbuilt aim assist and other liitle gimmicks that make the player think they are more precise and accurate then they really are. I mean just look at the humongous amount of MW2 vids on youtube as an example, it's easy to see that the hit boxes are artificially larger then the actual body shape of the people being shot and many many times even tho the shots are off target they still hit the other player.

Once you get used to keyboard and mouse, it will feel redundant to use a dual analog setup to play those kinds of games. You lose too much going from KB&M to a controller.

" Because "precision" and WSAD is much more accurate, lifelike and satisfying than pulling a trigger and using an analogue stick on something that you hold in your hand and that has force feedback.  Oh wait. "

I've been raised on console shooters, just can't get my head around the moving and clicking with my hands to take a shot. I appreciate PC gamers enjoying what they're trained in, but think it's wrong to say it's better. Different strokes for different folks.

. It's faster and more precise. And in FPS games, that is alpha and omega. "

Seeing how many of the replies here are nice, I can imagine this guy posting the same thread at gametrailers.com's forums and being flamed to freaking death by all of the f***ed up users there.