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The Four Most Overrated Franchises

4. Assassin's Creed - I think this has more to do with oversaturation than anything. Had they stopped at Assassin's Creed II, and then followed up with Assassin's Creed III, it'd be a tight, compact, well told trilogy. But instead, they released two pseudo sequels to Assassin's Creed II in rapid fire, which overall taken as the Assassin's Creed II trilogy may have told a compelling story, but each game failed to progress the gameplay and instead felt like episodic content at a full $60 price tag.

Assassin's Creed and Assassin's Creed II were fine games with okay mechanics, a fun open world to traverse, and they looked great. They were also tedious, overlong, full of filler, had convoluted and poorly told stories, and hit or miss modern day sequences.

The episodic sequels continued the story of Assassin's Creed II. Perhaps unnecessarily so. Concepts brought into the episodes was hit or miss. The games had an exciting cat and mouse multiplayer mode, but shockingly dull vehicle sequences, quick time events, and even tower defense for some reason. After the content dump that occurred, they began teasing that Assassin's Creed III was finally a real, full sequel made by the A Team at Ubisoft Entertainment. Which is a retroactive way of admitting Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood were less than spectacular, but hey buy this one because it's going to be what you thought those games would be.

3. Halo - Don't get me wrong, Halo: Combat Evolved was a revolution when it first came out on the Xbox. It essentially launched Microsoft's first console into the mainstream, and forever changed first person shooter mechanics. And the sequel, Halo 2, was also pretty great and further cemented the foundation for Xbox Live, and led to modern console online gaming. That deserves some major credit. But a formula became apparent. Silent generic soldier protagonist #725 would wake up, do some tests to configure the controls and would instantly be dumped into a fight against generic aliens known as The Covenant. And at the exact halfway point of the game, the player would begin on a long quiet corridor section, where predictably some sort of virus appears, only instead of the tired cliche of zombies, Halo uses The Flood, a zombie like parasite that has some sort of hive mind sentience, but for all intents and purposes, it's zombies. Then you fight them, the Covenant reenter the plot, the Flood and Covenant clash and Master Chief passes through this battle, then finally he detonates a Halo ring. Which is a confusing and generic plot device which seems to be whatever the writers want it to be. In one game it's a weapon, the next it's a tool, the next it's a religion. Whatever Bungie needed at that time, they stuffed the Halo rings into it. It's like Nanomachines in Metal Gear Solid or The Force in Star Wars. Need an answer? Just throw in a Halo ring and shrug.

By Halo 3 the formula was firmly in place. But the rise of Call of Duty also occurred with Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. First Person Shooter mechanics had again evolved, and Halo 3 was the first game to show it's age. Left trigger had become the "look down the sights" button, but Halo kept it as the "throw a grenade" button. Most guns in Halo 3 had no sights to look down. These may seem like a small control difference, but at the time it was a massive fossil in the genre. Halo 3: ODST was an interesting experiment, but ultimately just that. A short, slight, downloadable experiment. And seemingly as an apology for their experiment, Halo: Reach came out and became the most formulaic title in the entire series.

Halo 4 could be a breath of fresh air, with a new studio in 343 Industries taking over for Bungie. The game looks impressive graphically, and has a new alien race, although surely the Covenant play a large role. But clearly this game won't be the zeitgeist phenomenon it was. It won't push the genre ahead. It won't lead the charge. It will simply be an iteration on a popular franchise.

2. Call of Duty - No, I'm not going to be that guy. Call of Duty is a great franchise, that first set an amazing standard with Call of Duty, then became a benchmark game in the current gen's hardware development. The franchise has played a larger role in the lives of both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 than I think anyone is willing to admit. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare changed gaming forever. And up until a major rift within Activision, Infinity Ward was consistently innovating and pushing the medium forward with their Modern Warfare series. But during the production of Modern Warfare 2, trouble began between creative and business, and the minds at Infinity Ward were attacked and ousted from the company. Treyarch, the B Team which filled off years with standard but passable entries in the overall franchise, took over and accepted the larger role in the company. They're the one's using the old tech. Infinity Ward, the one that finished Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, isn't even close to the same developer. They're Infinity Ward in name only. Treyarch was always the company using the Infinity Ward engine and model, but simply plunked down a new setting (usually World War II), and characters. Now that Infinity Ward is no more, realistically, Treyarch has no one to hide behind. They can't ride the coattails of more creative developers. And now that they must lead the way into the future, you can see how they're doing it. By not doing. Old graphics, tired gameplay, hallway shooting, frivolous story. Sure, Call of Duty: Black Ops II looks to be somewhat unique. But considering the model has existed since 2007, a few tweaks don't make an old dog new. The tiredness of the franchise, and the community backlash comes from Activision's hatchet job of what was a great development team.

But no matter how you slice it, there is a new Call of Duty every October, and it's not nearly as good as sales would suggest.

1. God of War - I know I'm going to offend some here. God of War to me, is as tired as Call of Duty, if not more. Three games with no true innovation other than graphics and a raging hard on for gore. Two handheld spin offs with the same lack of innovation and same raging boner. And now God of War: Ascension, a game nobody asked for, that takes the incredibly dated isometric camera, button mashing combat, health orbs, and quick time events into the future. Were you dying for another prequel that tells the uninteresting story of the uninteresting Kratos, yet again? We know how he got his markings, scars, whiteness, chains, anger, death, rebirth, vengeance, more anger, but this time... you get to do it again. Ascension (taking the new approach of not calling an unnecessary sequel "4" but instead slapping on a colon followed by a random word; see Gears of War: Judgment) looks to tell the already told story of an angry Kratos before he finally killed everyone. The game will no doubt star an angry Kratos killing everyone. But before he killed those guys, and after he killed those guys. The story really needed to be told. The world was waiting to find out how he killed these guys, before those guys, and after those guys.

But it's not all old. Sure, the camera is still isometric, because it's 2002 apparently, and sure the combat is still stilted and mashy, and sure there is still a goofy quick time event to finish off every enemy, but hey did we mention Kratos has a bracelet that can rebuild broken buildings? See? NEW! SHINY! Buy us! We have multiplayer!

God of War: Ascension's redeeming quality may be as a tech demo for the final years of the PS3, but little else. It's a game no one asked for, and it's just a way to cash out before the next gen, and a full God of War game graces the launch, or shortly thereafter. Surely Gears of War 4 will look to do the same.

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@connerthekewlkid said:

i like mainstream because hating mainstream is to mainstream

Nothing wrong with mainstream. The Infamous series is pretty mainstream, yet those games are great. Mass Effect was great (ending aside). I've got nothing bad to say about Metal Gear.

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@ERoBB: Except Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is near unanimously considered the best of the 4 console games within the franchise currently while Revelations was the first misstep (discounting AC1).  Further, you'll need to explain how ACIII's status as a full sequel to the 2012 story (the real storyline behind the franchise) is an admission that Brotherhood and Revelations were subpar.
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@ZeForgotten
Pong was overrated, it was the same thing over and over again. 
Pacman. wooo boy.  
 
I could keep going, but it doesn't make your opinion invalid. 
Opinions can't be invalid (well, except maybe on Giant Bomb)
In my opinion the sky is green.

Your opinion that opinions can't be invalid is invalid in my opinion.

To the OP, I disagree pretty strongly. My personal list would have Final Fantasy, Persona, GTA, Souls, Devil May Cry, Zelda, and a few choice others...but that would be my opinion.
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@Turambar said:

@ERoBB: Except Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is near unanimously considered the best of the 4 console games within the franchise currently while Revelations was the first misstep (discounting AC1). Further, you'll need to explain how ACIII's status as a full sequel to the 2012 story (the real storyline behind the franchise) is an admission that Brotherhood and Revelations were subpar.

The way III gets talked about as done by the main team. They're pumping up this next game by teasing the return of Ubisoft's best, which sort of implies that the last few games weren't done by their top team. Well, not sort of. It flat out implies it. Which you can read into as much or as little as you'd like. But they feel the need to make the distinction that ACIII is a full sequel. Meaning the past two were somehow "lesser" entries in the series.

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@N7: yeah both are good games but i say greatest as a hyperbole, also every game that is relatively good will have a fan-base but games that could be considered over rated at least to me have to reach out side of their fan base example being the Mass Effect series( which i love). The 1st one got its core fans but then the 2nd one exceeded that and got way more fans and it became a game known to most of the communities in gaming thus becoming a game that most people will put as one of the all time greats; putting it in a conversation of 'is it over rated" cause so many people say its the greatest or its untouchable. Thats when a game should be in question not when just its core fan base says its awesome like GOD. well thats my feeling

I agree with you very much. Kudos. :)
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@BestUsernameEver said:

@Mystyr_E said:

@N7 said:

@Dagbiker said:

I totally agree, I would have also accepted

  • Mario
  • Uncharted
  • Gears of War
  • Dead Space
  • Legend Of Zelda
  • Metroid Prime
  • Pokemon
  • Saints Row

I'd suggest you leave now before limbs start flying

  • Rhythm heaven
  • Bayonetta
  • The elder scrolls
  • Jet grind radio
Bayonetta isn't a franchise.  It's one game.
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@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@ZeForgotten
Pong was overrated, it was the same thing over and over again.
Pacman. wooo boy.

I could keep going, but it doesn't make your opinion invalid.
Opinions can't be invalid (well, except maybe on Giant Bomb)
In my opinion the sky is green. Your opinion that opinions can't be invalid is invalid in my opinion. To the OP, I disagree pretty strongly. My personal list would have Final Fantasy, Persona, GTA, Souls, Devil May Cry, Zelda, and a few choice others...but that would be my opinion.

I think your confusing Opinions for facts.

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@CJduke said:

@ERoBB said:

@rb_man said:

@iAmJohn said:

@ERoBB said:

After the content dump that occurred, they began teasing that Assassin's Creed III was finally a real, full sequel made by the A Team at Ubisoft Entertainment. Which is a retroactive way of admitting Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood were less than spectacular, but hey buy this one because it's going to be what you thought those games would be.

In what universe is Brotherhood not the best one? That's, like, the commonly held opinion by everyone.

Really? I always thought people thought that 1/2 was the best. Well to each is own.

Yeah. I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone say Brotherhood was the best.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Ryan has said about 100 times he thinks Brotherhood is the best one -_-

Also looking at the comments just proves how silly this entire discussion is. Might as well just say every video game invented is overrated and move on, not much to discuss.

Dude chill it is all opinion and it truth I find my self not agreeing with the GB dudes a lot because I am not them :P

Also ERoBB looks to be new here with only 59 posts so I doubt that would be some thing he would have off the top of his head.

In truth every game franchise is overrated by some one some were.

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I say Half Life 2. It was a fine game but I don't see why everyone thinks it is so amazing. It's a fairly straight forward shooter with a physics gun; maybe it's just because I didn't play it when it was released.

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I am against you on pretty much everything except for how unnecessary another God of War game is and your opinion on Revelations since I haven't played it yet, but I do have it on my shelf right now, ready to play.

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@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@ZeForgotten
Pong was overrated, it was the same thing over and over again.
Pacman. wooo boy.

I could keep going, but it doesn't make your opinion invalid.
Opinions can't be invalid (well, except maybe on Giant Bomb)
In my opinion the sky is green. Your opinion that opinions can't be invalid is invalid in my opinion. To the OP, I disagree pretty strongly. My personal list would have Final Fantasy, Persona, GTA, Souls, Devil May Cry, Zelda, and a few choice others...but that would be my opinion.

How could you say Persona is overrated! Sure maybe here at GB, but come on, everywhere else that game is niche!

Phew. Sorry had to get that out of my system. Your other choices are all good.

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The Souls games overrated? Blasphemy.

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@rb_man said:

@CJduke said:

@ERoBB said:

@rb_man said:

@iAmJohn said:

@ERoBB said:

After the content dump that occurred, they began teasing that Assassin's Creed III was finally a real, full sequel made by the A Team at Ubisoft Entertainment. Which is a retroactive way of admitting Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood were less than spectacular, but hey buy this one because it's going to be what you thought those games would be.

In what universe is Brotherhood not the best one? That's, like, the commonly held opinion by everyone.

Really? I always thought people thought that 1/2 was the best. Well to each is own.

Yeah. I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone say Brotherhood was the best.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Ryan has said about 100 times he thinks Brotherhood is the best one -_-

Also looking at the comments just proves how silly this entire discussion is. Might as well just say every video game invented is overrated and move on, not much to discuss.

Dude chill it is all opinion and it truth I find my self not agreeing with the GB dudes a lot because I am not them :P

Also ERoBB looks to be new here with only 59 posts so I doubt that would be some thing he would have off the top of his head.

In truth every game franchise is overrated by some one some were.

When did I say anyone has to agree with GB? And why do I need to chill, I was just stating my own opinion on the discussion like everyone else here. Not to mention, your last sentence just restates what I said.

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@Tim_the_Corsair said:

@ZeForgotten
Pong was overrated, it was the same thing over and over again.
Pacman. wooo boy.

I could keep going, but it doesn't make your opinion invalid.
Opinions can't be invalid (well, except maybe on Giant Bomb)
In my opinion the sky is green. Your opinion that opinions can't be invalid is invalid in my opinion. To the OP, I disagree pretty strongly. My personal list would have Final Fantasy, Persona, GTA, Souls, Devil May Cry, Zelda, and a few choice others...but that would be my opinion.

I think your confusing Opinions for facts.

Just mucking around, been so many arguments about opinions on here
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@49th said:

I say Half Life 2. It was a fine game but I don't see why everyone thinks it is so amazing. It's a fairly straight forward shooter with a physics gun; maybe it's just because I didn't play it when it was released.

Ya I fell the same way about that game

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@ERoBB said:

@Turambar said:

@ERoBB: Except Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is near unanimously considered the best of the 4 console games within the franchise currently while Revelations was the first misstep (discounting AC1). Further, you'll need to explain how ACIII's status as a full sequel to the 2012 story (the real storyline behind the franchise) is an admission that Brotherhood and Revelations were subpar.

The way III gets talked about as done by the main team. They're pumping up this next game by teasing the return of Ubisoft's best, which sort of implies that the last few games weren't done by their top team. Well, not sort of. It flat out implies it. Which you can read into as much or as little as you'd like. But they feel the need to make the distinction that ACIII is a full sequel. Meaning the past two were somehow "lesser" entries in the series.

It...doesn't imply that all unless you're purposefully missing the big picture.  Revelations saw a dip in quality and popularity, so they are drumming up attention to get over that hurdle along with ACIII's sister Vita game Liberation.  Further, if you're ranking the quality of of games by the number tacked on the end, then you've already missed the mark.  You are, if nothing else, letting your opinion be fully predicated on marketing (albeit inversely), and not actual game quality, which I'm assuming is what you're trying to argue against with this whole blog.
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I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

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@CJduke said:

@rb_man said:

@CJduke said:

@ERoBB said:

@rb_man said:

@iAmJohn said:

@ERoBB said:

After the content dump that occurred, they began teasing that Assassin's Creed III was finally a real, full sequel made by the A Team at Ubisoft Entertainment. Which is a retroactive way of admitting Assassin's Creed: Revelations and Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood were less than spectacular, but hey buy this one because it's going to be what you thought those games would be.

In what universe is Brotherhood not the best one? That's, like, the commonly held opinion by everyone.

Really? I always thought people thought that 1/2 was the best. Well to each is own.

Yeah. I think this is the first time I've ever seen someone say Brotherhood was the best.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure Ryan has said about 100 times he thinks Brotherhood is the best one -_-

Also looking at the comments just proves how silly this entire discussion is. Might as well just say every video game invented is overrated and move on, not much to discuss.

Dude chill it is all opinion and it truth I find my self not agreeing with the GB dudes a lot because I am not them :P

Also ERoBB looks to be new here with only 59 posts so I doubt that would be some thing he would have off the top of his head.

In truth every game franchise is overrated by some one some were.

When did I say anyone has to agree with GB? And why do I need to chill, I was just stating my own opinion on the discussion like everyone else here. Not to mention, your last sentence just restates what I said.

Oh sorry I am home sick today and I miss interpreted what you were trying to say. Sorry my bad.

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@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

It's just a really naked attempt at objectifying the innately subjective opinion "I don't think this is as good as other people say it is."
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@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

Yeah, i can see that the Giantbomb community has it in for the word overrated. This whole thread is split between people discussing franchises they feel are "unjustly praised" (see that? thesaurus) and people just gnashing teeth at the concept of overratedness. Next time I'll just skip that word.

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@ERoBB

Your description of the Halo storyline is kind of reductive and often wrong.

The use of the Halo never changes, it is designed to wipe out sentient life in all of the games, the covenant always saw it as a holy structure created by the forerunners and believed that activating them would allow them go the great journey that they believed the forerunners also went on. The halos would not exist at all without the flood since it was designed to kill them and their only means to reproduce (sentient life) so there is reasoning behind their inclusion.

This didn't change the use of the halo between any of the games and it was mostly made pretty clear in the first game how everything fitted together. I also disagree that the covenant were generic, in a world of shooters containing space marines and zombies I found it a nice change to have a race of colourful and varied aliens, their bug like, curved architecture was also pretty unique.

Also the master chief is not silent.

That being said despite finding the later games after three to be reasonably solid shooters I agree that the franchise has been playing it a bit too safe and reach felt a bit stale. 4 looks like a step in the right direction and the way they are handling multiplayer with the spartan ops stuff certainly sounds pretty unique, it's still quite early to say either way how much it will change the previous formula.

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@ERoBB said:

@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

Yeah, i can see that the Giantbomb community has it in for the word overrated. This whole thread is split between people discussing franchises they feel are "unjustly praised" (see that? thesaurus) and people just gnashing teeth at the concept of overratedness. Next time I'll just skip that word.

No teeth are being gnashed here, I'm just saying that "overrated" is overrated. I actually quite like how civil your post was.

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@Turambar said:

@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

It's just a really naked attempt at objectifying the innately subjective opinion "I don't think this is as good as other people say it is."

Not really, I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. I'm absolutely simply stating "I don't think this is as good as other people say it is."

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So basically, the point of the thread is that every game is overrated because every game is liked by some people more than others?

Cool story, bro.

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Just out of curiosity, if Halo 4 and Call of Duty Black Ops 2 aren't pushing the genre forward, what changes would you like to see to accomplish that? I ask this because I'm not sure how far you can stray from the simple point-and-shoot game mechanic and have it still retain its fundamental intuitiveness.

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@ShaggE said:

@ERoBB said:

@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

Yeah, i can see that the Giantbomb community has it in for the word overrated. This whole thread is split between people discussing franchises they feel are "unjustly praised" (see that? thesaurus) and people just gnashing teeth at the concept of overratedness. Next time I'll just skip that word.

No teeth are being gnashed here, I'm just saying that "overrated" is overrated. I actually quite like how civil your post was.

Yeah, I was trying to just have an honest discussion. But I hit a nerve with that word, and rather than actually talk about what I tried to talk about, I'm just a troll. One guy actually pulled rank on me and claimed I wasn't established enough on this site to have these opinions. Ah, oh well.

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I'm just going to say: Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood is still the best Assassin's Creed released.

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@Turambar said:

@BestUsernameEver said:

@Mystyr_E said:

@N7 said:

@Dagbiker said:

I totally agree, I would have also accepted

  • Mario
  • Uncharted
  • Gears of War
  • Dead Space
  • Legend Of Zelda
  • Metroid Prime
  • Pokemon
  • Saints Row

I'd suggest you leave now before limbs start flying

  • Rhythm heaven
  • Bayonetta
  • The elder scrolls
  • Jet grind radio
Bayonetta isn't a franchise. It's one game.

Whoops.

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Franchise or not, I still never "got" Bayonetta.

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@ERoBB said:

Franchise or not, I still never "got" Bayonetta.

Boobs and Librarian glasses and...  
Well that's about it. 
 
Officially though it has some sort of great story and it "Looks amazing the graphics are super nice" and all that jazz. 
 
But it was the boobs and the glasses
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@ERoBB: I disagree with points 3 and 4. Halo has had a nice hiatus and a total paradigm shift in production. And to say that Brotherhood didn't add anything interesting to the AC franchise is just...well, wrong.

I noted the things Brotherhood and Revelations "added", but adding content, some of which is good, some of which is gimmicky is something expansion packs do. And if we're willing to call those games expansion packs for ACII, I'm all for it. But as full releases, those have to be viewed as pretty disappointing. Listening to most podcasts, even the Giantbombcast, guys talk about abandoning the series altogether until ACIII, just because these games were getting pumped out too fast. That's surely a negative quality.

Ryan made it pretty clear that he enjoyed Brotherhood. It's Revelations that is stale. And I'd hardly consider adding multiplayer a small or gimmicky addition. Revelations was their only misstep. Brotherhood was a fresh game. Even Ubi admits those two games were taken as spinoffs, and didn't get the attention of the main series during development. However, Brotherhood and Revelations should not be grouped together, they were not the same case.

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And I'd hardly consider adding multiplayer a small or gimmicky addition.

I dunno, that's exactly what I'd call it these days. Every single player game, even games like Mass Effect 3 which is the final chapter of the saga, add some kind of usually bland and unnecessary form of multiplayer. If a game implements it well, I'm all for it. But plenty of games just tack it on, and it's definitely gimmicky.

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@ERoBB said:

@Jace said:

@ERoBB: I disagree with points 3 and 4. Halo has had a nice hiatus and a total paradigm shift in production. And to say that Brotherhood didn't add anything interesting to the AC franchise is just...well, wrong.

I noted the things Brotherhood and Revelations "added", but adding content, some of which is good, some of which is gimmicky is something expansion packs do. And if we're willing to call those games expansion packs for ACII, I'm all for it. But as full releases, those have to be viewed as pretty disappointing. Listening to most podcasts, even the Giantbombcast, guys talk about abandoning the series altogether until ACIII, just because these games were getting pumped out too fast. That's surely a negative quality.

Don't agree with this line of thinking at all. I think you should define what exactly is "episodic" is, because both Brotherhood and Revelations added a 15 hour story, with multiplayer (something that AC2 didn't have), had completely new city's to explore, Brotherhood added a bunch of puzzle and combat maps to complete, and Brotherhood added all that (terrible) tower defense and first person puzzle stuff. By your logic, something like Uncharted 2 is just episodic content or Gears 2 is episodic.

I will completely agree that the AC games have become a bit over saturated, but anyone who bought them will know that they added enough new content to justify the $60 price tag.

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I stopped after Assassin's Creed. Brotherhood is FAAAAAAAR from a $60 expansion pack, that game just improves on ACII in so many ways. Everything else just seemed like the typical answers. Also looking over some people's comments, I am not sure if Dead Space would warrant overrated considering there have only been 2 games... and met with mixed reactions.

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Assassins Creed is probably one of my favorite franchises of all time. Yeah, Rev, and to a lesser extent BH werent true sequels and were B team side projects. But AC1 was amazing, despite it's repetitiveness. What it did with crowds, as well as climbing, and the whole social stealth thing were amazing, not seen before. The first AC was amazingly creative, it's story and mechanics were new and interesting.

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Hipster...

I've my doubts. More like contrarian.

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This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

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@ERoBB said:

@Jace said:

And I'd hardly consider adding multiplayer a small or gimmicky addition.

I dunno, that's exactly what I'd call it these days. Every single player game, even games like Mass Effect 3 which is the final chapter of the saga, add some kind of usually bland and unnecessary form of multiplayer. If a game implements it well, I'm all for it. But plenty of games just tack it on, and it's definitely gimmicky.

You can find people saying a lot of things about Brotherhood's multiplayer, and not all of it will be positive. However, you will be HARD pressed to find anyone calling it bland or gimmicky. It worked like it was supposed to, and was a breath of fresh air amongst floods of FPS experiences.

Whatever though, I don't care enough to defend that game further. I'm glad I played it, and I put quite a few hours into the PC multiplayer.

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@MariachiMacabre said:

This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

Not intentionally.

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@ERoBB: Except Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is near unanimously considered the best of the 4 console games within the franchise currently while Revelations was the first misstep (discounting AC1). Further, you'll need to explain how ACIII's status as a full sequel to the 2012 story (the real storyline behind the franchise) is an admission that Brotherhood and Revelations were subpar.

if i could throw my two cents in i do feel as far as mechanics brotherhood was great. I just feel AC2 felt so good because it was such a big leap from AC1. My biggest problem with AC2 was you never really felt like an assassin. It was way more on the side of a GTA formula of go here kill this dude. I liked that brotherhood pulled more on your assassin heart strings. But in saying that brotherhood and mainly revelations felt like stop gaps in the overall story.

Brotherhood seem liked they said man we had to leave out a lot of the content we made for AC2 so why not find a way to use it. Now with revelation it just seem like they said AC3 was not ready so let's come up with a short side story for ezio in a cool place other than Italy and Rome.

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@ERoBB said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

Not intentionally.

Why did you feel the need to state what you thought were the four most overrated franchises?

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@ShaggE said:

@ERoBB said:

@ShaggE said:

I hate the term "overrated", because it implies that people who rate it highly aren't being honest. Might be nitpicking, though.

Yeah, i can see that the Giantbomb community has it in for the word overrated. This whole thread is split between people discussing franchises they feel are "unjustly praised" (see that? thesaurus) and people just gnashing teeth at the concept of overratedness. Next time I'll just skip that word.

No teeth are being gnashed here, I'm just saying that "overrated" is overrated. I actually quite like how civil your post was.

Yeah, I was trying to just have an honest discussion. But I hit a nerve with that word, and rather than actually talk about what I tried to talk about, I'm just a troll. One guy actually pulled rank on me and claimed I wasn't established enough on this site to have these opinions. Ah, oh well.

I'm with you on this one, honestly. I don't see the problem here.

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@believer258 said:

@ERoBB said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

Not intentionally.

Why did you feel the need to state what you thought were the four most overrated franchises?

It's a forum. I figured I'd throw my opinion on these four franchises out there, then talk about them. Some would agree, some would disagree. Some people would talk about franchises they like/dislike. All of that stuff did happen. It's just sandwiched between people calling for my head. Seems like Giantbomb was bogged down with trolls screaming "Overrated!" at everything, then I show up after the fact like Forrest Gump with honest intentions, but to everyone else it looks like I'm doing the same thing.

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IF ITS NOT INDIE ITS OVERRATED

Damn hipsters..... (*runs away before getting flamed on)

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@Dagbiker said:

I totally agree, I would have also accepted

  • Mario
  • Uncharted
  • Gears of War
  • Dead Space
  • Legend Of Zelda
  • Metroid Prime
  • Pokemon
  • Saints Row

You can go ahead and shut your dirty whore mouth.

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These game franchises are good quality, that's why they're popular. If I was a game developer that achieved great success with a game, hell yea I would be pumped to make another one that improves on it.

This attitude of saying games are overrated just because they are on they're fifth or sixth sequel is annoying.

Lots of people think Mirror's Edge for example deserves a sequel but I can already see the complaints after Mirror's Edge 2 and Mirror's Edge 3 are out that durr MiRroR's Ejj series is overrated. :P ( I want a Mirror's Edge 2 and 3 so bad. )

If you're not into the games stop buying them and buy the tons of new games that are out and once those sequels lose sales they will move on to make something new, but not if you don't vote with your wallet.

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But in terms of Ryan liking the past two Assassin's Creed games being brought up so many times, I'll just mention Michael Pachter's comments to the opposite. And on a Giantbombcast (the E3 Day Zero one) opinions are split down the middle. So there's definitely a discussion to be had.

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@ERoBB said:

@believer258 said:

@ERoBB said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

Not intentionally.

Why did you feel the need to state what you thought were the four most overrated franchises?

It's a forum. I figured I'd throw my opinion on these four franchises out there, then talk about them. Some would agree, some would disagree. Some people would talk about franchises they like/dislike. All of that stuff did happen. It's just sandwiched between people calling for my head. Seems like Giantbomb was bogged down with trolls screaming "Overrated!" at everything, then I show up after the fact like Forrest Gump with honest intentions, but to everyone else it looks like I'm doing the same thing.

What you've gotten is a knee jerk reaction to what looks like obvious flamebait at first glance. And, frankly, I'm still not sure that it isn't. You don't make any interesting points, nor do you say anything that hasn't already been said before a million times. A better thread might have been "Ways to improve these overrated games". Something that shows some thought beyond "meh, I'm tired of these games".

Also, Call of Duty games come out in November.

But no matter how you slice it, there is a new Call of Duty every October,
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@believer258 said:

@ERoBB said:

@believer258 said:

@ERoBB said:

@MariachiMacabre said:

This thread didn't need to be made. It's just flamebait.

Not intentionally.

Why did you feel the need to state what you thought were the four most overrated franchises?

It's a forum. I figured I'd throw my opinion on these four franchises out there, then talk about them. Some would agree, some would disagree. Some people would talk about franchises they like/dislike. All of that stuff did happen. It's just sandwiched between people calling for my head. Seems like Giantbomb was bogged down with trolls screaming "Overrated!" at everything, then I show up after the fact like Forrest Gump with honest intentions, but to everyone else it looks like I'm doing the same thing.

It probably would have done better as a blog post, then. What you've gotten is a knee jerk reaction to what looks like obvious flamebait at first glance. And, frankly, I'm still not sure that it isn't. You don't make any interesting points, nor do you say anything that hasn't already been said before a million times. A better thread might have been "Ways to improve these overrated games". Something that shows some thought beyond "meh, I'm tired of these games".

Also, Call of Duty games come out in November.

But no matter how you slice it, there is a new Call of Duty every October,
It is a blog post, sadly this one also did the wrong thing by being attached to the forums where such things seem to be less and less welcome