" @TheHBK said:

" did any of you listen to the Bombcast this tuesday?  I am sure your opinions are emotionally rooted which is retarded.  PC game makers need to grab hold of their games because of pirates and cheats.  IW is just trying to make a better experience for everyone and if this means they have to cut out the few that want their own server or to make some mod with simpsons sounds it it, then so be it.  But if it means achievements and everyone playing in the same maps so you dont have to download a new map because a certain server plays its own maps, and allowing for persistance and leveling up that is even accross the board, then so be it.  But it is just a show as to why this is happening, when PC gamers think they "deserve" mods and dedicated servers or that they "deserve" a cheaper price on a game or that they "deserve" free maps. Most people who play on the PC are not posting here, and wont care and will appreciate that instead of having to search through a server list, to see which game type is there, which has the lowest ping, which has people actually playing on it, then to have to wait for mod stuff to download, they can just choose a game type and bam, they are playing.  I am sure most of who are bitching about this are in the minority.  very vocal, but a minority that will not affect sales and will most likely turn into pirates.  Ass pirates at that. Sorry guys, but times have changed and if the way games are made doesn't, PC gaming could get worse even faster. "

Jesus, it's not fucking hard to figure out by yourself which server might suit you best. Matchmaking is so random it's ridiculous. Ever had those 13 year olds yelling 'nigger' at every occasion? Yeah, that's matchmaking superiority. "

" @Kblt said:

" @ImperiousRix:  You would play a game that is broken and has multiple game-breaking glitches and bugs and wouldn't download a community patch/mod that would fix all of these problems? "

This game is broken?  This game has multiple game-breaking glitches and bugs?  I must say that if you're playing a game with these kinds of problems with them, the LAST thing you've got to worry about is support for dedicated servers. "

Yer fuck them, Just wait for counterstrike 3 :D 
I still play source lol, COD is a great game but any n00b can just run and gun and get to the top. Notice how every single person boasts how they are always in the top three; COD is the minor leagues.

" @ImperiousRix:  You would play a game that is broken and has multiple game-breaking glitches and bugs and wouldn't download a community patch/mod that would fix all of these problems? "

" did any of you listen to the Bombcast this tuesday?  I am sure your opinions are emotionally rooted which is retarded.  PC game makers need to grab hold of their games because of pirates and cheats.  IW is just trying to make a better experience for everyone and if this means they have to cut out the few that want their own server or to make some mod with simpsons sounds it it, then so be it.  But if it means achievements and everyone playing in the same maps so you dont have to download a new map because a certain server plays its own maps, and allowing for persistance and leveling up that is even accross the board, then so be it.  But it is just a show as to why this is happening, when PC gamers think they "deserve" mods and dedicated servers or that they "deserve" a cheaper price on a game or that they "deserve" free maps. Most people who play on the PC are not posting here, and wont care and will appreciate that instead of having to search through a server list, to see which game type is there, which has the lowest ping, which has people actually playing on it, then to have to wait for mod stuff to download, they can just choose a game type and bam, they are playing.  I am sure most of who are bitching about this are in the minority.  very vocal, but a minority that will not affect sales and will most likely turn into pirates.  Ass pirates at that. Sorry guys, but times have changed and if the way games are made doesn't, PC gaming could get worse even faster. "

" did any of you listen to the Bombcast this tuesday?  I am sure your opinions are emotionally rooted which is retarded.  PC game makers need to grab hold of their games because of pirates and cheats.  IW is just trying to make a better experience for everyone and if this means they have to cut out the few that want their own server or to make some mod with simpsons sounds it it, then so be it.  But if it means achievements and everyone playing in the same maps so you dont have to download a new map because a certain server plays its own maps, and allowing for persistance and leveling up that is even accross the board, then so be it.  But it is just a show as to why this is happening, when PC gamers think they "deserve" mods and dedicated servers or that they "deserve" a cheaper price on a game or that they "deserve" free maps. Most people who play on the PC are not posting here, and wont care and will appreciate that instead of having to search through a server list, to see which game type is there, which has the lowest ping, which has people actually playing on it, then to have to wait for mod stuff to download, they can just choose a game type and bam, they are playing.  I am sure most of who are bitching about this are in the minority.  very vocal, but a minority that will not affect sales and will most likely turn into pirates.  Ass pirates at that. Sorry guys, but times have changed and if the way games are made doesn't, PC gaming could get worse even faster. "

" @ShaunassNZ said:

" Fuck Activision ruin everything i hope IW makes another game maybe with EA "

This comment would've been a big joke two years ago.  I think the worst part about anti-piracy is that, for PC, there's no such thing. It's just 'piracy-disruptive', not actually preventing piracy. The hackers/crackers always seem to find a way to find the hidden code lines, or even build a way to get around DRM.It's really bad that the piracy issue is making games worse for people who actually pay. Eventually, some game will run better on a pirated copy than a bought one... and that'll be a sad day for the games industry. "

"@Red said:

"Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "

I'm afraid I've gotta agree.  I understand that not having the option in and itself for dedicated servers and modding seems sacrilage on the PC, but does this REALLY have any bearing on the quality of the game? Full disclosure, I have and likely always will be a console gamer.  I don't see the appeal in being able to essentially "break" games and do what you will with them.  Again, I'm not saying I don't understand why people are mad, just that I don't understand why its become such a furious boycott. First Left 4 Dead 2, and now this? "

" Fuck Activision ruin everything i hope IW makes another game maybe with EA "

"Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "

"did any of you listen to the Bombcast this tuesday?  I am sure your opinions are emotionally rooted which is retarded.  PC game makers need to grab hold of their games because of pirates and cheats.  IW is just trying to make a better experience for everyone and if this means they have to cut out the few that want their own server or to make some mod with simpsons sounds it it, then so be it.  But if it means achievements and everyone playing in the same maps so you dont have to download a new map because a certain server plays its own maps, and allowing for persistance and leveling up that is even accross the board, then so be it.  But it is just a show as to why this is happening, when PC gamers think they "deserve" mods and dedicated servers or that they "deserve" a cheaper price on a game or that they "deserve" free maps. Most people who play on the PC are not posting here, and wont care and will appreciate that instead of having to search through a server list, to see which game type is there, which has the lowest ping, which has people actually playing on it, then to have to wait for mod stuff to download, they can just choose a game type and bam, they are playing.  I am sure most of who are bitching about this are in the minority.  very vocal, but a minority that will not affect sales and will most likely turn into pirates.  Ass pirates at that. Sorry guys, but times have changed and if the way games are made doesn't, PC gaming could get worse even faster. "

" @Red: My friend if you played on PC's you would know why this is such a big deal. I play a lot on Live and on my PC and LIve never gets close the buttery smoothness I get on my PC. Not to mention the horrendous lag that you sometimes suffer on Live that is basically non-existant on PC's because you can pick your server with the lowest ping. Either way I'm really tired over this topic. Activision fucked up. People get angry. Some people don't buy game. Blah. I won't be buying it for my PC not much more I can do about it than that. "

" @Red said:

" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "

this. the game itself is still the same "

What this is probably about is crippling the mod community so they can sell DLC.

It is sad, but remember it is just one game in a sea of total awesome that is PC gaming. It is also nice to see developers like DICE, Gearbox, and Capcom still supporting the PC as a unique platform, so all is not lost. Just Activision and IW.

did any of you listen to the Bombcast this tuesday?  I am sure your opinions are emotionally rooted which is retarded.  PC game makers need to grab hold of their games because of pirates and cheats.  IW is just trying to make a better experience for everyone and if this means they have to cut out the few that want their own server or to make some mod with simpsons sounds it it, then so be it.  But if it means achievements and everyone playing in the same maps so you dont have to download a new map because a certain server plays its own maps, and allowing for persistance and leveling up that is even accross the board, then so be it.  But it is just a show as to why this is happening, when PC gamers think they "deserve" mods and dedicated servers or that they "deserve" a cheaper price on a game or that they "deserve" free maps.
Most people who play on the PC are not posting here, and wont care and will appreciate that instead of having to search through a server list, to see which game type is there, which has the lowest ping, which has people actually playing on it, then to have to wait for mod stuff to download, they can just choose a game type and bam, they are playing.  I am sure most of who are bitching about this are in the minority.  very vocal, but a minority that will not affect sales and will most likely turn into pirates.  Ass pirates at that.
Sorry guys, but times have changed and if the way games are made doesn't, PC gaming could get worse even faster.

" It's not like consoles are a slideshow. "

Dragon age and dota will have to tide me over until FF13 comes out next year and then I will finally get a ps3 at long last. Of course there is so much more to do other than gaming, I'd be lucky to even finish Dragon age. Busy busy busy!

Jeff Green said it best, PC sales aren't down, they're actually up, people just got fucking greedy. 

Have to admit that I'm reconsidering, there are other games worthy of my time this year. I have always loved the Call of Duty series, after all it started on PC. Never really liked playing them on console and I hated the multiplayer on the console version, never felt right to me. But all this mess as made me wonder if purchasing is the right thing. That and the fact that Modern Warfare 2 just isn't exciting me right now for some reason. 

I am in the boat of considering canceling my preorder, but it's for the 360 edition. I'm sure it'll still be a fun game regardless, but I do play PC games and I have to stand for my PC gaming brethren even if I don't play PC games as much as I used to.

I get the feeling this game might turn into another spore. Angry PC gamers ruin Amazon's rating and pirate the game. Ill still be buying it out of some kind of false hope they will replace dedicated servers.

" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "

I might just buy MW2 for PC to piss off the dedicated server nutbags who go all nerdrage over the dumbest shit.

" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "

It's much worse for the internation community.  People living inside the US have never had to put up with the extreme lag problem that international gamers have been lumped with due to the ever growing populatrity of match making among developers.  You think 80 ping is bad, try 500.  I ditched COD4 on 360 due to its horrible online for Australian players and went to the PC version, now MW2 will be just as unplayble on that platform.
 
Of course nobody seems to give a shit about gamers living outside of North America, most dev's dont even care to know if we exist.
 
Damn  I hate matchmaking.

"Well, COD4 set the standard so MW2 has extremely high expectations.  They're probably catering to the largest audience & forgetting their roots.  I remember when it was easy to get into the COD4 beta, but now the franchise is so popular, they laughed at the thought of offering a beta. Because now it's a cash cow & they don't have to care about making sure everybody is happy with the game to make money. "

Yeah.. i knew something had to go wrong from the beginning.. the game looks too good to be true 

It's not like consoles are a slideshow. "

dang that really sucks. this is why PC gaming is dieing, it's because companies don't care to much about PC gaming. they make it just like the console. i just think that they should keep the dedicated servers as i hate playing cod and the game stops because of the host ending the game. 
 
why take out mod support. i just think that mods are the one thing that is great about PC gaming. there are always ways to make a game play longer with mods.

" Well I already had said but I will not being buying this game for any system, I'm waiting for Bad Company 2. "

"I've seen tons of rants about this topic. Most of them not persuasive enough to drop my pre-order. Tomorrow, I am. And I'm going to put it on Mass Effect 2 or BF: BC2. "

" @noobeffect said:

" @Red: Who are you replying to exactly? Not the OP because the issue goes further than simply, "Oh, my PC game looks like a game that belongs on a 360." "

So what if it's a 360 game? Who cares? It's going to be a pretty damn good game, even if it is just a 360 game. "

" @dbz1995 said:

" To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic. 

That's actually not even close. That's how you start forum topics in specific forums. For blogs, read here. "

You know, I thought that it was pretty tricky what Blizzard was doing with the whole Battle.net merge to prevent the selling of accounts.  However, that pales in comparison to something like taking away dedicated servers. 
 
@Red said:

" @noobeffect: True, but treating MW2 as some garbage game not worth buying (and making no mention to the single player or the co-op) without dedicated servers is a wee bit ridiculous. "

My wish list for October though November was Dragon Age: Origins, Left 4 Dead 2, and originally Borderlands & MW2 but spending $200+ on games this season just seemed a bit excessive, one had to go and it was Borderlands, obviously MW2 is a no brainier.  That was till IW shocked the pc community by taking out dedicated servers + a bunch of other shit I don't really care that much about out of MW2 PC version.  Well you know what company treats its pc users right, infact treats its pc users better then console users(no offense console users), Gearbox Software LLC.  Borderlands is the now obvious choice instead of MW2 not only because it's a great game but I rather support a company that cares for my preferred gaming platform, and too spite IW.

" @Red said:

" Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "

Yeah, because playing with lag is so much fun.  I just found out about this lack of dedicated servers so I too am no longer buying it.  I was gonna upgrade my computer for it. I had a set of servers I always played on for COD4 that were fantastic.  I had pings of between 10-30 (crazy low, but they were really close by), I got to know other people who played the servers a lot, and I didn't have to worry about losing my connection because the host quit.  NOT having dedicated servers is one of the things that stops me from playing console games online.  Well, that and the whiny twelve year olds. "

" Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has?   That, my friend, is garbage. "

Fuck Activision ruin everything i hope IW makes another game maybe with EA, lucky me I pre-ordered Borderlands instead of this soon to be junk, sorry to sound so negative but I was thinking this game was gunna be The Shit but now it looks to go and be shit.

" @Red: Who are you replying to exactly? Not the OP because the issue goes further than simply, "Oh, my PC game looks like a game that belongs on a 360." "

" To post a blog to a specific forum, you have to search the desired forum, then go into the left, where you will see at the bottom 'forums'. This is where you can add your own topic. 

Really? You're not buying the sequel to (arguably) the best game of this generation because you can't see how much lag a server has? 
 
 
That, my friend, is garbage.

I've seen tons of rants about this topic. Most of them not persuasive enough to drop my pre-order. Tomorrow, I am. And I'm going to put it on Mass Effect 2 or BF: BC2.

This is how they are going to probably charge for map packs on the PC, and not give them away like they have been. Greedy Activision !

I'm just glad see's what we want when they make Borderlands. They even said they're adding more stuff into the PC version. But, this is about MW2. And Activision knows that PC's are all about mods. Stupid CEO it's all his fault.