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@hunter5024 said:

Speaking in terms of language, it's kind of interesting that such a small group of people got to be responsible for creating all of these words, when normally it's widespread usage (being a tool for communication and all). It makes for some very specific terminology that probably wouldn't exist the same way if it had evolved from the general populous. Sort of like trucker talk.

They actually stem from chemistry. I don't agree with use of cis and trans in the context of gender, mainly because those are straight up chemistry terms and don't apply very well to biological sex and selfperceived gender. No foul intented lina, using cis outside of chemistry feels weird.

Congrats on feeling better. I don't know much about getting Hormonal Replacement Therapy outside of women having ovarian cancer, men with testicular cancer, Kallmann or Sheehan syndrome. Who do you go to in such a case...it can't be your GP, can it?

They actually actually stem from Latin, where cis- is a prefix referring to "on this side of..." in contrast to the prefix trans- "on the other side of" (see: transatlantic, transformation, etc). Both prefixes are also used in chemistry and genetics. You wouldn't argue that homosexual and heterosexual shouldn't be used in the context of sex and gender because "homogeneous and heterogeneous mixtures exist in chemistry", both stem from the Greek ἕτερος [heteros], "other, different" and ὁμός [homos], "same".

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@nyxfe: You assume I am far too ignorant, which is a fucking dick thing to do. I completely understand that 'cisgender' is a medical term. 'Gay' originally meant happy, 'Queer' was originally short for 'gender queer' which preceded the term transgender. Yet they have been perverted by their use. You also do not have to be a 'minority' to have words that are used to attack your specific group. 'cracker' 'haole' etc... are used every day to describe white people. Does it matter if less than x% of the population uses something as a slur? it is still used as a slur.

My point to her was that if she wanted to come across as less aggressive, the term 'cis' is almost exclusively used in negative connotation on the internet.

This will be my last reply to you, I have no intention of derailing this thread further and you simply aren't very nice.

I don't think I wrote anything all that aggressive. I'm not particularly sure how "gay" and "queer" have been perverted, but I suppose it speaks to a certain view of the people they describe.

The term cis is simply not used "almost exclusively in negative connotations" on the internet. If "the internet" was just tumblr and a few forum posts, perhaps, but feel free to continue ignoring the vast amount of lgbt/queer writing which utilizes it in a positive, legitimate, and educational way.

I use the term ignorant not because it's an assumption but because it is a fact made evident by your statements. If you were well versed in LGBT discourse, you would not be suggesting someone stay away from the term cis for risk of somehow offending people who can't do a 2-second google search or read a dictionary.

I'm sorry you feel I've derailed this thread on sex and gender diversity with my discussion and explanation of sex and gender diversity.

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@nyxfe: Sorry, I tend not to agree with your rationalization. There are numerous terms that started benign and simplistic and turned derogatory by their use. Negro is simply a word for 'black', but I doubt you would defend it's use.

The problem with your rationalization of cis as a slur is that it comes from a position of complete ignorance of entire bodies of work on trans, LGBT, gender, and women's issues in both medical and social literature. Your basis for disliking the term seems to be based on tumblr image macros which people point to and decry so-called "radial social justice warriors" as if it's somehow actually indicative of the overall perception of the term.

To use your own example, the term "black" can carry seriously offensive connotations depending on it's context, yet you just used it. "That music is so black" "A guy robbed a store? I bet he was black." "Stop acting so black" are just a few quick examples of using that exact term in an offensive way. So is this term problematic? No, because it can be used in civil discourse with a technical meaning.

Again, cis only refers to gender identity matching your biological sex, so you can not accurately say that it is some sort of slur against "non-lgbt". Indeed even if it was a slur, it would be utilized only by trans people, who are an extreme minority. Conceptually it is not even feasible that such a tiny group could drive the definition of a term. The reason you have this perception, again, is due to your own ignorance of the subject. If you took every use of the term "cis" from 2014 you would likely find that it's use in legitimate texts on the subject of sex and gender to far outweigh the tiny amount it is used negatively on the internet.

While I appreciate the attempt at "N***** is just a word too" which you were clearly hinting at, the difference there would be an overwhelming majority using the term to enslave and dominate a minority of people who, are still to this day, largely perceived negatively because of it. Cis people are not opressed, they are the overwhelming majority.

The negative use of "cis" among trans culture is similar to the negative use of "white" among non-white culture who have been oppressed - it points to the oppressor and is understandable by others who have experienced similar oppression, creating solidarity. While I do not personally condone using the word as a catch-all for ignorant and anti-trans people, I do understand why it is used. That does not mean the word suddenly becomes a tool of oppression. You don't read a textbook on racial biology and get offended when they use the term white/Caucasian do you?

Honestly, if you wanted to more accurately represent hate of non-LGBT people, you may want to go with "cishet" (meaning cisgendered, hetero), MRA (men's rights advocate), or such. While "cishet" is technically just a shorthand, it's use is largely seen as a statement of "typical cishet people" the same way you might see "typical white people". In either case, what these words point to is not "all non trans/non gay people", they point to the ignorance or hate which is typically displayed by people in society who largely identify as straight and cisgendered.

The repeated and systematic violence and oppression of LGBT and trans people is what creates terms like these, which again, are largely used as in-jokes in their own community. To state that a technical word should not be used because you are not familiar with it in any other context is beyond comprehension.

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@drxlecter said:

@nyxfe: I'm referring to the fact that the only time I have ever heard the term 'cis' is by people saying something along the lines of 'Check your privilege you fucking cis scum'. I have really only ever seen it used as a derogatory term for 'gender normative'.

And I'm referring to the fact that it is an actual term used in medical fields and throughout academic works on the subject of sex and gender. As long as someone isn't using it in a clearly dismissive way there is nothing wrong with using the word to convey a point. Lina isn't saying "you cis morons might want to pay attention" so much as using in the sense of "cisgendered is a gender identity matching your biological sex"

A comparison might be "You drive like a woman" being a clearly sexist insult, but it does not detract from the term "woman" being utilized in conversation.

The stigma for the word cis is nothing new but it is simply a term that means "not transgendered". If anything, I would recommend people use it more to help eliminate the perception that it somehow has negative connotations.

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@shagge said:

GIANT QUOTE TREE

I second that. Not a lot of people know what's appropriate. Some people barely know trans folk exist outside of weird porn and drag shows. Clarification of how trans see sex vs. gender is needed. There's the biology of what a male and female is. That is binary in terms of the body, then there's gender. How those two relate really seem to confused people. Information on that isn't exactly widely distributed.

Transgenders sometimes get offended and just call people asking questions "stupid". Or maybe I'm reading bad sources.

I get transgenders have a lot of shitty things to deal with, but most people don't encounter or ever learn about transgenders. It's an extreme minority. So a lot of what you perceive to be dumb questions will be reoccurring for a long time. Educate your community whenever you get a chance like this to whatever level you're comfortable with.

While there is no doubt that many of the questions asked are bred from ignorance and not hate, it is not as if the information is inaccessible. From my experience of personally being trans and many of my friends both LGBT and otherwise, the questions that are "annoying" are not the legitimate ones seeking more insight into how we view gender, sexuality, etc. But moreso the questions which misgender, "not a real guy/girl", and those around the most basic of non-binary gender identity and pronoun usage which can be seen even with a cursory glace at a wiki article. (I'm not suggesting Wikipedia is an acceptable source for all things trans or lgbt, but the article on transgender would provide someone with at least a basic understanding of the concepts which they could later use to ask more specific and educated questions). Admittedly this probably applies to every topic in existence, since despite the ease of research being most likely less keystrokes than it takes to ask a question, that is indeed a rarity.

As an additional note, I would not use the term "transgenders". People who are transgendered (or genderqueer or anything else) are still people. Similarly I don't think you would want to refer to someone as "a gay". It is not an all-encompassing term for someone, it is an aspect of their overall personality. For example, I am a person who is trans, and gay, and likes books, etc.

@drxlecter said:

@artelinarose: If you're looking to come off as less aggressive I'd suggest staying away from the term 'cis.' It is often the LGBT version of calling straight people '<slur removed>.' Also, maybe simply ignore questions you don't want to answer?

Apart from that congrats, glad it is working out for you.

I don't know how you arrived at the conclusion that "cis" is some sort of derogatory term for uh... non LGBT people? Cis is a term which, without getting to complex, refers to someone who's gender identity matches the biological sex they were born as. It is a term used by medical professionals and in much LGBT literature to distinguish between the concepts of cisgendered and transgendered. While certainly you see the term used as a negative connotation for people "oh those cis people...", it is certainly not a term which in and of itself conveys any sort of negative connotation even remotely approaching something like '<slur removed>, etc.

You can be LGBT and be cis.

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#6  Edited By NyxFe

Just got around to listening to this. Nyx did a great job of not editing it.

And I got a name drop yay

Hey if I got timestamps, I'd edit. What am I supposed to do, listen to the show?

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@metalgearsunny said:

Just got around to listening to this. Nyx did a great job of not editing it.

And I got a name drop yay

Fuck Nyx

Quiet Matt Spanish.

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I highly recommend VLR, Muramasa Rebirth and Soul Sacrifice. Persona 4 Golden is also excellent.
There are a ton of solid PSP games on there but I'm not sure what's compatible with vita, I'm sure someone has a list of good PSP games somewhere. I would say more Persona but it depends on how much you like JRPGs.

For PS1 it depends on what you like, but as a huge fan of JRPGs I recommend Suikoden, Grandia, Parasite Eve, Xenogears, Final Fantasy (all of them), Breath of Fire, Vagrant Story, FFT. I could go on but lists of excellent ps1 games are pretty easy to find.

For non RPG ps1 games, uh, Klonoa is pretty solid.

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I used to really dislike the first person perspective in RPGs (e.g. my first experiences with Dragon Quest), but over the years I have found it doesn't bother me at all. Maybe it was my later found love of Wizardry, but I don't really find that third-person or being able to see your characters hitting the enemies is really all that critical to an RPG. While it's nice to fancy animations and whatnot, after tens of hours of fighting/leveling you start to wish you could skip those anyway. At some point, animation filled battle systems become pretty unbearable (Grandia (to be fair, justified pretty well here), Legend of Dragoon, Glory of Heracles, etc.).
Even the non-first person SMT games (DDS1/2, Persona) wouldn't be much different for being in first person.

My primary concern with SMT4 is whether they maintain the amazing Dekaja sound effect from DDS. So satisfying.

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#10  Edited By NyxFe

@tireyo643 said:

@nyxfe: Damn... how long do I have to re-record mine and send mine in? I wanted to get to it today, but I wasn't able to do it because I couldn't get a moment alone (without my mother listening in to what I say). Once I get that moment alone without her knowing, I'll be doing that recording immediately.

Well I planned on compiling them around Sunday night/mon morning, so plenty of time. Also I thought yours was fine, but feel free to re-record!

@fattony12000

Do you want me to rip the audio from that and include it? If you have the raw audio handy email it giantbombcommunitypodcast@gmail.com