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The Problem With Community Podcasts Is...

Giantbomb is, arguably, a site built around a podcast. That's not me trying to belittle the site, I think it's awesome and i'm on here every day. A big chunk of the users are here because they either listen to the Bombcast or used to listen to the Hotspot. Don't believe me? Go check out the creepy Rich Gallup Shrine. The personalities attached to aforementioned podcasts are entertaining enough to warrant such a magnificantly large fanbase - and it's the persistence of said personalities featuring on the site that makes giantbomb such a cool place to be.
 

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You are here because you want to know, specifically, what Jeff Vinny Ryan and Brad think. You value their opinions, even if you don't agree with them. The site needs to be here, to compliment the podcast, so you can access to these personalities as much as possible.
 
Whilst a forum or blog can give an anonymous person notoriety in the netherworlds of the internet, there is really little incentive to listen to the ramblings of a complete stranger. For a podcast, blog, reviewer to be successful there needs to be persistence. You can't just drop something into the internet ocean and expect it to make a splash. You have to prove that what you are putting out has value. The Bombcast had access to a huge fanbase that carried over from Gamespot. Podcasting is, basically, a popularity contest. It's a hard concept to grasp but most of the people out there don't actually care what you think. And yes, I'm fully aware I qualify for this revelation.
 
So how do you make them care?
 
A reviewer relies on the persistence of his or her audience to create a context in which the opinion can be placed. For example, I know I can trust Jeff's opinion on fighting games, though I would probably think twice before I condemned Super Smash Bro's. This is because I have been reading Jeff's reviews and listening to his podcasts for years. Its a similar familiarity that needs to be built up over a long period of time. You need to have more than one string to your bow, you need to build a fully functional internet personality which make you more accessible as a person. The Community podcasts you enjoy most will be the ones featuring people whose opinions you have already been made aware of and actually appreciate. 
 
After that you only have the slight issue of finding something to talk about which hasn't already been discussed to death by the multitude of other more professional podcasts in existence. Unless you believe you have a new angle from which to view a topic, sincerity is dull. So is your extensive opinion on MGS4. You know who i'm talking about.
 
Anyways. If you are determined to start a Community Podcast I wish you the best of luck. I know a lot of people would like to branch out into some form of audio. I just think a lot of community Podcasts fall at the first hurdle, despite being entertaining and funny, purely because there isn't enough awareness or enthusiasm from the potential fanbase.
 
But then what do I know. In the one episode of our podcast (did it even have a name?) we talked about racoons, oranges, transformers and batman. I think? It's a little fuzzy...
 
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@Sweep said:

" @Fallen189: I love the fact that you think a Manga Cafe is the centre of the social world :D "

Because that's exactly what I said isn't it dickhead.
 
It was just the first thing I popped into mind. What would you prefer I say? I would say something like "A library" or "University grounds" but I didn't think you were old enough to know what they meant.
 
So enlighten me, where do all the video game "PLAYERS" hang around where you live? The sandbox?
 
Edit: Oh you're from London. I get it now.
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Screw Moose/Sweep.  I'm voting for Hamz/MB.

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Yeah I agree but if someone is serious about a podcast they have to start somewhere, and if not, the podcast probably remains interesting to the small amount of people who 'know' the host.

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@Fallen189: I love the fact that you think a Manga Cafe is the centre of the social world :D
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Nobody cares about them. If I wanted to listen to stuff like that I'd go to a manga cafe or anywhere people congregate and listen to them talk.

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@MattBodega: OH WELL LOOK WHO IT IS, KING OF THE WALRUSES HIMSELF! YOU CANT JUST WALTZ IN HERE LIKE YOU OWN THE PLACE OPPRESSING PEOPLE WITH YOUR BIGOTED VIEWS ON METAL GEAR SOLID AND PIKMIN AND ALL THE OTHER INNOCENT VIDEOGAMES.
 
You ought to be ashamed.
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@Sweep said:
" @DanielJW said:
" I think if you want to start a podcast do it. If it turns out trash it turns out trash, who cares? If you get listeners more power to you, you must be doing something right. Besides, if it's something you enjoy doing why put a blocker on yourself because you don't think you're popular. All of them need to start somewhere, in some cases the might hit the ground running first episode, others might take a while, others may never get into a good spot. But I don't think a failed podcast is really hurting anybody, and if it's something you want to do I believe it's an endeavour worth making, you never know if people are going to like you or not. "
I totally agree. I was just trying to think about what makes a podcast a success. But one of the main problems is people wont even give you a chance. "
It was slightly more of a response to Mooseman's comment on the amateur thing. And you are right though getting noticed is a tough part, not only that though getting noticed and then holding the attention you get. I'm sure it's a tough thing to do, but you never no until you try.
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OH, YOU!

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@Sweep: I remember that podcast. Good times. I was laughing on the bus.
 
What makes a podcast a success though? Money. Simple as. You need decent equipment, and you need a guaranteed audience. Thus why established game websites, and established radio and television companies etc. have the "best" podcasts. You need that polish and audience you can get from money. However, you can have what happened to gamespot happen, which is after the people got hooked to their fave sites podcast, they developed "relationships" with the opinions of those on it. All the people then leave in a short time period, meaning that very quickly, what you love has morphed into something new. Then loyalty carries over, and you follow the people who you like to listen to. To actually break into the podcasting scene at the moment you need something more than a rockband mic and skype, you need some money and a plan. A realistic one. If you know your limits, know your audience and know what makes you unique, you can still break into the scene at the moment. But never become greedy or overambitious.
 
Just my two...pennies.
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@damswedon said:
  • also dont make it a 2 hour podcast to start off, yes make it longer if thats what the listeners want. bun no-one wants to listen to some people they dont know talk for 2 hours.
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I agree.  I start to get antsy after about 75 minutes of a podcast.  I want to know what you've been playing and what you think about those games.  I don't want to know about how your uncle is still playing that SNES you gave him fifteen years ago and how he still moves the controller up and down when trying to jump--okay, maybe that can be entertaining.  However, my point is that unless the "filler" is entertaining, it probably shouldn't be in there.
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20 minutes. Thats where I draw the line for my patience/attention span.

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heres my advice.

  • if you make a community based podcast make it about that community fuck the business and news, make it about showing the awesome things that happens on the site, (like TGWTG.com's Transmission awesome)
  • also dont make it a 2 hour podcast to start off, yes make it longer if thats what the listeners want. but no-one wants to listen to some people they dont know talk for 2 hours.
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@DanielJW said:
" I think if you want to start a podcast do it. If it turns out trash it turns out trash, who cares? If you get listeners more power to you, you must be doing something right. Besides, if it's something you enjoy doing why put a blocker on yourself because you don't think you're popular. All of them need to start somewhere, in some cases the might hit the ground running first episode, others might take a while, others may never get into a good spot. But I don't think a failed podcast is really hurting anybody, and if it's something you want to do I believe it's an endeavour worth making, you never know if people are going to like you or not. "
I totally agree. I was just trying to think about what makes a podcast a success. But one of the main problems is people wont even give you a chance.
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I think if you want to start a podcast do it. If it turns out trash it turns out trash, who cares? If you get listeners more power to you, you must be doing something right. Besides, if it's something you enjoy doing why put a blocker on yourself because you don't think you're popular. All of them need to start somewhere, in some cases the might hit the ground running first episode, others might take a while, others may never get into a good spot. But I don't think a failed podcast is really hurting anybody, and if it's something you want to do I believe it's an endeavour worth making, you never know if people are going to like you or not.

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One thing I think you should remember is that, generally, good podcasts will work themselves into the collective's podcast rotation, while the not so good ones will fall to the wayside (except for those made by people who are stubbornly persistent).  You bring up great points about creating a report with one's audience, but sometimes it's the pure entertainment value to which people respond.  Every podcast I've ever started listening to I went in with little or no assumptions or knowledge of the podcasters.  I started listening to Giant Bombcast only a few months ago, and somehow I had never heard of any of the contributors, but there was a distinct entertainment value inherent in what I was hearing on my mp3 player.  That's why I keep coming back for more.

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they can still vote for us. shhh. Go write some 00sweep. Oh wait, you cant because you have all those really important things to do.

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Giantbomb is, arguably, a site built around a podcast. That's not me trying to belittle the site, I think it's awesome and i'm on here every day. A big chunk of the users are here because they either listen to the Bombcast or used to listen to the Hotspot. Don't believe me? Go check out the creepy Rich Gallup Shrine. The personalities attached to aforementioned podcasts are entertaining enough to warrant such a magnificantly large fanbase - and it's the persistence of said personalities featuring on the site that makes giantbomb such a cool place to be.
 

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You are here because you want to know, specifically, what Jeff Vinny Ryan and Brad think. You value their opinions, even if you don't agree with them. The site needs to be here, to compliment the podcast, so you can access to these personalities as much as possible.
 
Whilst a forum or blog can give an anonymous person notoriety in the netherworlds of the internet, there is really little incentive to listen to the ramblings of a complete stranger. For a podcast, blog, reviewer to be successful there needs to be persistence. You can't just drop something into the internet ocean and expect it to make a splash. You have to prove that what you are putting out has value. The Bombcast had access to a huge fanbase that carried over from Gamespot. Podcasting is, basically, a popularity contest. It's a hard concept to grasp but most of the people out there don't actually care what you think. And yes, I'm fully aware I qualify for this revelation.
 
So how do you make them care?
 
A reviewer relies on the persistence of his or her audience to create a context in which the opinion can be placed. For example, I know I can trust Jeff's opinion on fighting games, though I would probably think twice before I condemned Super Smash Bro's. This is because I have been reading Jeff's reviews and listening to his podcasts for years. Its a similar familiarity that needs to be built up over a long period of time. You need to have more than one string to your bow, you need to build a fully functional internet personality which make you more accessible as a person. The Community podcasts you enjoy most will be the ones featuring people whose opinions you have already been made aware of and actually appreciate. 
 
After that you only have the slight issue of finding something to talk about which hasn't already been discussed to death by the multitude of other more professional podcasts in existence. Unless you believe you have a new angle from which to view a topic, sincerity is dull. So is your extensive opinion on MGS4. You know who i'm talking about.
 
Anyways. If you are determined to start a Community Podcast I wish you the best of luck. I know a lot of people would like to branch out into some form of audio. I just think a lot of community Podcasts fall at the first hurdle, despite being entertaining and funny, purely because there isn't enough awareness or enthusiasm from the potential fanbase.
 
But then what do I know. In the one episode of our podcast (did it even have a name?) we talked about racoons, oranges, transformers and batman. I think? It's a little fuzzy...
 
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