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Posted by Sweep
@sweep said:

@andrewb said:

Man... the Giant Bomb comments have been about on the level of Youtube comments lately.

If people actually flagged offensive comments like they were supposed to instead of repeatedly writing "the comments here have been shitty lately" then we'd be able to clean up after people a lot faster.

We can't stop people writing stupid shit, all we can do is remove them from our community as fast as possible. If you want to see the forums improve then when you see someone being a dick, contact a mod or flag the comment. Writing "comments are bad on the internet" helps nobody and actually enforces the idea that this isn't a nice place to be, which is untrue.

I wasn't intending to post again but what you've written there is really scary, Sweep. I'm sad and disappointed that there are people out there that hold these opinions and are self-serious enough to write lengthy, indignant pieces in a comments section of a video, but that doesn't mean that they should be flagged, or that there should be an expectation that they should be deleted.

It's sad that these opinions exist and are expressed in such a vitriolic fashion, but if you deleted the comments then those opinions would still exist. If the community is increasingly this way, then I may not like it but it isn't right to try and pretend the community is something that it isn't.

...what? So if someone makes a new account and posts something horrific, even if we delete the comment and ban the account that person is still to be deemed a reflection of the community here? I don't think that's reasonable.

All we can do to dictate the general atmosphere of the site is remove the comments that break the rules and leave the ones that don't. That's how it works on every site everywhere. We aren't telling people what opinions they should or shouldn't have, merely trying to make sure that everyone is expressing themselves in a way that doesn't make others uncomfortable. If you think that's scary then I'd love to hear some alternatives.

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@neckbear said:

@sweep: This isn't completely related to what you're talking about, but the attitude towards moderation that this site has developed over the last couple of years has actually made the community worse overall. It's nearly impossible to have an actual discussion about certain topics without being labeled a troll/shitstirrer by what the majority of users/mods/staff members agree is the right opinion to have. It's a "you're either with us or against us" mentality that results in an increasingly unattractive and hostile environment for those in dissent who feel they can't voice their actual opinions without being heavily moderated and dismissed. Some say fuck it and just stop posting, but others respond to this aggression with more aggression and we end up with a bunch of seemingly extremist-sounding types (probably fairly regular people) going back and forth in the comments.

GB can do whatever they want. It's their site. However, if they want to improve the quality of their community and its discussions, they need to seriously rethink how they moderate it.

Edit: Also, Dan Ryckert is incredible.

well as someone who has spent the last couple of years moderating the site; I'm sorry you feel that way but I respectfully disagree. Giantbomb has made ridiculous effort to accommodate every topic in which people are prepared to talk maturely and respectfully. There will always be times where contentious issues will provoke extreme opinions and people will inevitably clash heads, but nobody has been censored for their views unless they were deemed hostile or disruptive. The staff, and especially Matt Rorie, have made unprecedented effort to be involved in these discussions and I think that considering some of the vitriol flying around the internet recently we've done a pretty good job of keeping things civil for everyone involved regardless of their opinion.

But this isn't the place for this discussion. If you take issue with the way the site is moderated then you should contact the staff directly. However I have a feeling that this is a much more personal issue, and that because you've been (repeatedly) moderated in the past you're now taking every opportunity to complain about the rules and their enforcers.

If you want to continue this discussion then send us a PM. We don't discuss moderations privately, and we don't appreciate you taking advantage of that fact to post a one-sided account of your past transgressions.

Thanks.

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Posted by Sweep

@andrewb said:

Man... the Giant Bomb comments have been about on the level of Youtube comments lately.

If people actually flagged offensive comments like they were supposed to instead of repeatedly writing "the comments here have been shitty lately" then we'd be able to clean up after people a lot faster.

We can't stop people writing stupid shit, all we can do is remove them from our community as fast as possible. If you want to see the forums improve then when you see someone being a dick, contact a mod or flag the comment. Writing "comments are bad on the internet" helps nobody and actually enforces the idea that this isn't a nice place to be, which is untrue.

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@luck702 said:

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@dizzyhippos said:

You know I get it, dan dosnt like dota, but that entire segment all I was thinking was, Man what a dick for ruining peoples game

Calm down. It was a joke, and it was funny. Mostly because it's a bad game.

And you're a bad person for condoning the griefing of people because you don't like what game they play.

You're investing a lot of emotion into other people playing a video game. No one was harmed during the making of this video.

Their enjoyment was harmed. If I wanted to see people waste other people's time, I would go to one of thousands of youtube channels dedicated to that. I don't pay 5 bucks a month to watch that. This rarely happens on this site, so I don't expect it to happen again anytime soon. What makes me mad is people saying it's ok because they think the game's shit anyways. I play CS:GO competitive matches quite often. Those are like Dota in that you're locked in for 30-60 minutes. If it's not hackers you're dealing with on a daily basis, it's assholes that actively try to grief players and make the team do worse so they can laugh about it.

Their enjoyment was harmed? Ok, man. Don't even know what to say. If Brad can laugh about it (and he did), you can too. Everything is fine.

OK apparently I used an angry font or something, I didnt mean to start this long conversation between everyone about griefing. I know its a game, but playing a single game of dota is a 20-30+ minute commitment not counting que times, and not everyone has all the free time in the world to play. I was meerly stating that while it started out being funny by the end of it all I was thinking was there are enough toxic people associated with moba's without dan intentionally trolling people.

I can see everyone's side of the argument here. Griefing can either be very funny or very frustrating depending on context. As someone who's spent almost 3000 hours playing dota, I know that if Dan was in my match I'd probably be pretty pissed off as well. However I also believe that Dan's situation as an inexperienced player was far from unique, and if as a new player he's being thrown into a game where he's already expected to know everything and will be insulted and yelled at if he doesn't, that's a flaw with the matchmaking.

This is obviously a rare case in that he wasn't trying to learn, and for entertainment purposes he was goofing around. Ultimately though I think Dan abandoned relatively early in the game, which gave the rest of his team the chance to leave without being penalised - which personally makes this forgiveable. It's also worth noting that this was a normal match, not a ranked match, so he wasn't dragging down the MMR of any other players. There are times when I wish other players would have the grace to leave, instead of just going AFK at the fountain or insulting everyone for the next 40 minutes. Relative to most of the other idiots in the Dota 2 community, Dan was actually pretty good. At least he tried to communicate and was friendly towards the rest of his team.

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But how do you feel about Techies, though?

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Hot damn!

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Posted by Sweep

Ps4's answer to Below?

I'm into it. Loving the new sense of scale that these games are going for.

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The free web moba is actually not terrible.

Ice King OP.

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Bremails!

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That looks like Dynasty Warriors.

Dynasty Warriors moba. You heard it here first.

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