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The Shadow Complex Controversy

 Orson Scott Card, designer of the world in which Shadow Complex is set, is a chronic homophobe. Some people seem to believe the indirect profits Card receives from this game justify a complete Boycott. I appreciate there are probably people here who both agree and disagree with this sentiment; despite a complete absence of any anti-gay themes featuring in the game. (Thanks to Coins from Neogaf for the links)
 
Heres some ramblings from Card:

Homophobe. lol.
Homophobe. lol.

 The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America.

 Already in several states, there are textbooks for children in the earliest grades that show "gay marriages" as normal. How long do you think it will be before such textbooks become mandatory -- and parents have no way to opt out of having their children taught from them?

 
How do we feel stacking up a boycott based on ethical principles and human rights against, for example, the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott - which is an outburst against Valve for, amongst other things, putting out content which doesn't justify an individual release with a full retail price tag.
 
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I think it's ridiculous that an entire dev team should be punished for an individuals ridiculously backwards world perspective - especially when the game is not a vehicle being used to channel it. Gaygamer issued this article in response:

I still don't have an answer for myself. I think if you're obviously too disgusted to enjoy the game, avoid it, and speak out. However, if you want to play the game, play it. Enjoy it, but offset the hate: if you buy Shadow Complex, donate $5, $10, $15 if you can spare it to a gay charity. Let them know why you're giving the money. Card won't get nearly that much per game. In message boards or user reviews, in blogs or tweets, if it comes up, let people know exactly what Card has said on the matter, and where, and damn him with his own language.

Money is important, but far more important to him, and to history, is his legacy. You can tell from his reactions how much being called a homophobe rankles him. Increasingly and through his own work, the line on Orson Scott Card has moved away from "respected science fiction author" to "kind of insane about this whole gay thing." As his views become more and more fringe, and we continue to gain the rights he's fighting against, he'll retreat further into a conservative ghetto. At that point the country will either persist as it has for hundreds of years, or Card will be right, we'll lose our reproductive imperative, and civilization will be over. If that happens, I'll owe him a coke. Caffeine-free, of course.

Which makes sense.

Offset the hate, yo!


 
I already bought the game. It's awesome, and worthy of your hard earned. I consider this blog post my good deed for the day. You guys can make up your own minds :) 
 
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Oh, no!  He has different views than us, so we need to boycott the non-homophobic game based on his fiction. 
 
Liberals confuse me.  Apparently, people aren't allowed to have their own opinions, beliefs and views.

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People want to boycott a game because someone expressed his opinion? Doesn't that kind of prove his point?

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I don't particularly care about this issue either way, but his views are shared by a bare majority of Americans and are hardly fringe beliefs. Gay marriage initiatives have been defeated at the ballot box again and again. 
 
So really, it would serve your cause better to stop pretending these people are outside the mainsteam.

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@Sweep said:
" @natetodamax said:
" I don't get it... "
One of the games designers publicly speaks out against homosexuality. People don't want to buy his game.   What's not to get? "
To be clear: Card wasn't really all that involved in the game's "design" other than giving a world and general outline for the script to be written by Peter David. David, by the way, isn't a homophobe, but he certainly has his own controversial beliefs, including that most cases of mental illness are infact fabrications and mostly unintelligent people unable to cope with their own stupidity.
 
I can understand why certain groups wouldn't feel comfortable supporting anything even tangentially related to Card; he's had to deal with that for quite some time now, and it happens anytime you have an author who's opinions are  to the left or right of the general populace. It is less a fear that the money will go to Card's suppose anti-homosexual agenda (he doesn't actually have any organization one can speak of) than a uneasiness of supporting someone so hateful with their own way of life.
 
For those that want to experience this (excellent) game but have the moral block, I think that GayGamer's solution is a good one, though it has the undercurrent of suggeting that money in Card's pocket goes directly into combating gay rights. Which is, ultimately, false; he's an author, not an activist, and his money goes primarily to feeding his family.
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Card personally is a reprehensible bigot. This has been known for quite a while, although maybe not so much in the gaming sphere since Card hasn't been involved since Advent Rising.
 
That doesn't diminish his works or his ability to tell a good story.

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As long as the game isn't a vehicle for his outdated views then I don't see the problem with purchasing it - I did on launch day and as ethical as I tend to be, can't say I'm feeling any pangs of guilt for doing so

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This is like the third thread about this topic...
But yeah, I really don't care anymore. People can have their beliefs and people can criticize others for their beliefs.

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@Sweep said:
" @natetodamax said:
" I don't get it... "
One of the games designers publicly speaks out against homosexuality. People don't want to buy his game.   What's not to get? "
Oh, alright. I read through it pretty fast and didn't quite understand what the deal was.
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@natetodamax said:
" I don't get it... "
One of the games designers publicly speaks out against homosexuality. People don't want to buy his game. 
 
What's not to get?
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I seriously doubt whatever money Card receives from this game is really going to help him advance his crazy hate agenda all that much. In the end I think that your decision to purchase Shadow Complex should come down to the quality of the game and not the content of Card's character. 
 
Chair has put together an amazingly top-notch product, and they deserve to be successful and put out many more games in the future. Don't punish them just because your world view is contrary to that of Card.

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I can certainly understand why some people would boycott buying the game entirely, but I don't think it matters how many people purchase the game, I doubt his views on gay marriage would change based on the amount of copies sold. Gaygamer's advice is good, whether these people who are boycotting can donate money to a charity or not, they can spread the message of their views in a much more effective way.

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I posted in another thread about this, in short, it's card's views, no reason to punish an entire dev team that worked so hard to provide such a quality product, simply because they chose to affiliate themselves with someone who's views are, at the very least, despicable.

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I don't get it...

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 Orson Scott Card, designer of the world in which Shadow Complex is set, is a chronic homophobe. Some people seem to believe the indirect profits Card receives from this game justify a complete Boycott. I appreciate there are probably people here who both agree and disagree with this sentiment; despite a complete absence of any anti-gay themes featuring in the game. (Thanks to Coins from Neogaf for the links)
 
Heres some ramblings from Card:

Homophobe. lol.
Homophobe. lol.

 The first and greatest threat from court decisions in California and Massachusetts, giving legal recognition to "gay marriage," is that it marks the end of democracy in America.

 Already in several states, there are textbooks for children in the earliest grades that show "gay marriages" as normal. How long do you think it will be before such textbooks become mandatory -- and parents have no way to opt out of having their children taught from them?

 
How do we feel stacking up a boycott based on ethical principles and human rights against, for example, the Left 4 Dead 2 boycott - which is an outburst against Valve for, amongst other things, putting out content which doesn't justify an individual release with a full retail price tag.
 
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I think it's ridiculous that an entire dev team should be punished for an individuals ridiculously backwards world perspective - especially when the game is not a vehicle being used to channel it. Gaygamer issued this article in response:

I still don't have an answer for myself. I think if you're obviously too disgusted to enjoy the game, avoid it, and speak out. However, if you want to play the game, play it. Enjoy it, but offset the hate: if you buy Shadow Complex, donate $5, $10, $15 if you can spare it to a gay charity. Let them know why you're giving the money. Card won't get nearly that much per game. In message boards or user reviews, in blogs or tweets, if it comes up, let people know exactly what Card has said on the matter, and where, and damn him with his own language.

Money is important, but far more important to him, and to history, is his legacy. You can tell from his reactions how much being called a homophobe rankles him. Increasingly and through his own work, the line on Orson Scott Card has moved away from "respected science fiction author" to "kind of insane about this whole gay thing." As his views become more and more fringe, and we continue to gain the rights he's fighting against, he'll retreat further into a conservative ghetto. At that point the country will either persist as it has for hundreds of years, or Card will be right, we'll lose our reproductive imperative, and civilization will be over. If that happens, I'll owe him a coke. Caffeine-free, of course.

Which makes sense.

Offset the hate, yo!


 
I already bought the game. It's awesome, and worthy of your hard earned. I consider this blog post my good deed for the day. You guys can make up your own minds :) 
 
Thanks For Reading
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