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Shadow complex - great game with BIG problems

About 4-5 hours ago i finished Shadow Complex on insane, with 100% and managed to clock in at 5 hours.  
I found the gameplay highly addictive and story interesting without getting me too involved. 
It's rich environments and good music makes it a game to buy even just for the experience, even though the graphics aren't that great.
It seems the game only really suffers in the technical department, because every flaw i can think of is of is either a bug or a poorly accomplished feature.
I'll give you some examples.  

This was my second time through. I managed to bug the game into making me finish it without the hookshot the first time. (Everyone who has played the game knows that you really can't do that.) 
For some reason the door to the room where you get the double jump was open, and I got over the large pit with my foam gun. 

Like this only it fucks up your game
Like this only it fucks up your game
And also the door to the room where you get the hookshot was locked (I have no idea how that happened. it's a rocket door, you shoot it with rockets and it opens. why didn't it work?), so i had to finish the game without it. Yeah.... bummer.  Now even the second time it managed to bug up. No bugs for the entire game until, in the ending cinematic, all the textures disappear form Jasons head, so it looks like a clay model with some purple spots on it. And I think "Ok that's weird. but hey, nothing else at least.". But as it turns out, I was wrong. In that moment his head stretches out of the screen and the mouths stop animating. Great work guys... just great...

Another thing i remember is when you run through or move faster than 5 rooms pr 15 seconds all the textures mess up. I mean like entire walls of gray, black and white dots. It's really annoying when trying to get under 3 hours, as I am now. 
 
How it should look
How it should look

And here is the worst flaw in the game. The leaderboards suck really, REALLY hard! I mean like i want to load the "let's get punchy" leaderboards list and it literally jamms my 360 up. I have to press the off switch and restart it to do anything on my xbox, which is awfully stupid. and that's not all. When you sometimes get into it, It half the time shows the wrong stats. ATM i think i have 1005 close combat kills, I'm certain it's over 1000 (and that's what i finished the game with on the second run). Anyway the leaderboards say that i have 843 or something, then 17 and before you know it's back up to 843. It's like a fucking randombox. It also tells me that no one in the world has a time in story mode. "This leaderboards does not exist" What? Are you kidding me? 
 
It might look like I'm a hater because of this, but i absolutely love this game. And i hope that the devs can repair some of this stuff in a patch or something, because right now it's kinda broken. Even with it's flaws i can't say you shouldn't buy it. The game is great, JUST DON'T GO FOR THE DOUBLE JUMP FIRST! 
And I'm gonna add my favorite song, Just because it's fantastic (and when you hear it you know you are done):
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About 4-5 hours ago i finished Shadow Complex on insane, with 100% and managed to clock in at 5 hours.  
I found the gameplay highly addictive and story interesting without getting me too involved. 
It's rich environments and good music makes it a game to buy even just for the experience, even though the graphics aren't that great.
It seems the game only really suffers in the technical department, because every flaw i can think of is of is either a bug or a poorly accomplished feature.
I'll give you some examples.  

This was my second time through. I managed to bug the game into making me finish it without the hookshot the first time. (Everyone who has played the game knows that you really can't do that.) 
For some reason the door to the room where you get the double jump was open, and I got over the large pit with my foam gun. 

Like this only it fucks up your game
Like this only it fucks up your game
And also the door to the room where you get the hookshot was locked (I have no idea how that happened. it's a rocket door, you shoot it with rockets and it opens. why didn't it work?), so i had to finish the game without it. Yeah.... bummer.  Now even the second time it managed to bug up. No bugs for the entire game until, in the ending cinematic, all the textures disappear form Jasons head, so it looks like a clay model with some purple spots on it. And I think "Ok that's weird. but hey, nothing else at least.". But as it turns out, I was wrong. In that moment his head stretches out of the screen and the mouths stop animating. Great work guys... just great...

Another thing i remember is when you run through or move faster than 5 rooms pr 15 seconds all the textures mess up. I mean like entire walls of gray, black and white dots. It's really annoying when trying to get under 3 hours, as I am now. 
 
How it should look
How it should look

And here is the worst flaw in the game. The leaderboards suck really, REALLY hard! I mean like i want to load the "let's get punchy" leaderboards list and it literally jamms my 360 up. I have to press the off switch and restart it to do anything on my xbox, which is awfully stupid. and that's not all. When you sometimes get into it, It half the time shows the wrong stats. ATM i think i have 1005 close combat kills, I'm certain it's over 1000 (and that's what i finished the game with on the second run). Anyway the leaderboards say that i have 843 or something, then 17 and before you know it's back up to 843. It's like a fucking randombox. It also tells me that no one in the world has a time in story mode. "This leaderboards does not exist" What? Are you kidding me? 
 
It might look like I'm a hater because of this, but i absolutely love this game. And i hope that the devs can repair some of this stuff in a patch or something, because right now it's kinda broken. Even with it's flaws i can't say you shouldn't buy it. The game is great, JUST DON'T GO FOR THE DOUBLE JUMP FIRST! 
And I'm gonna add my favorite song, Just because it's fantastic (and when you hear it you know you are done):
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I've been thinking about getting Shadow Complex for a while now, and your blog is yet another little push in the BUY ME NOW direction. Even with the problems mentioned, I'll probably enjoy the game. Hope they fix the problems before I have the chance to buy it, however. :)

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I agree there are quite a few bugs but I have not experienced anything game-breaking. I would like to say you do not need to get the grappling hook to complete the game, there is a master challenge where you can only complete the game with 4% of the items.

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Yea I ran across the whole purple/ white head thing at the end, really bummed me out considering I had no other real graphical bugs like that in the game; however i did run into some weird bugs where the controls didn't work, or I fell through the floor, suspended in mid-air.  But I still really enjoyed the game, perfectly scratches that Metroidvania itch most fans of those series get.

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@caseylakes: yea it us but you need the hook to do that. the last mountain you need the graplinghook to get up to
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@lilarchie232: it scratched me pretty hard, and even managed to bug it's way partly into my back.
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I've only clocked in two hours playing this game, and haven't noticed any major problems. Some of the characters look a little goofy, and aiming at enemies in the third dimension of the screen sometimes feels wonky, but otherwise so far its great.

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@lilarchie232: Nice avatar. CLE is the shit!
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@MiamiRedHawks: the first part of the game is really tight. it's the later part where you get so many openings and all the gadgets that you can mess up and the bugs start to appear. 
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Yeah. Love the game. Avoiding leaderboards like the plague. It's a consistant total lock-up if I try to look at friends' scores. I assume it will get patched at some pooint, and until then I'll just keep blasting guys in the face, punching dudes, and kicking bombas.

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@tiwi: Nope, I can garuntee the grappling hook is not needed to complete the game if you follow the blue line, it just makes everything so, so much easier. (We are talking about just completing the story and not 100%?)
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Huh? You don't NEED the Grapple Hook at all... just the Foam Gun... 
 
Also, I had no bugs on all three of my run throughs of the game. And I got my S-Rank as well, no problems. Lucky, I guess?

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@Hitchenson said:

" Huh? You don't NEED the Grapple Hook at all... just the Foam Gun... "

Yeah, my first time through the game I never got the grapple hook. After I got the missiles I basically went straight to the ending.
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It is an Epic game so the bugs and glitches come standard. ;)  It really is a great game though.

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I finished my first playthrough a couple hours ago, and when I loaded the game up, it downloaded an update. Hopefully that'll fix some of the problems you experienced.
 
God damn this game is awesome though! (everything but the bosses, that is) I think I'm going to review it after I play it on one of the harder difficulty settings.

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@tiwi said:
"This was my second time through. I managed to bug the game into making me finish it without the hookshot the first time. (Everyone who has played the game knows that you really can't do that.)"
You totally can. In fact, I did it yesterday... without bugging or glitching the game in any way. After your girlfriends goes to get help, you can just go trigger the event that opens the final boss fight... you don't need the hookshot, or any of the armor's post-girlfriend's-escape upgrades.
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I didn't find many bugs with the game other than Claire's mouth just... doesn't move right at all!

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@FlamingHobo said:
" I didn't find many bugs with the game other than Claire's mouth just... doesn't move right at all! "
thats because her boyfriend is huge ... ^_^
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@floodiastus said:
" @FlamingHobo said:
" I didn't find many bugs with the game other than Claire's mouth just... doesn't move right at all! "
thats because her boyfriend is huge ... ^_^ "
Lulz.
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Only issues I had were with the hand to hand - enemies would constantly clip through the scenery and sometimes Jason would be shadow boxing the air in front of him instead of an enemy.

Also, sometimes the camera doesn't shift when you're trying to jump up into an air vent and so Jason refuses to grab it.

And sometimes he won't shoot enemies in the fore/back-ground.

And there are 2 points of no return item-wise (really annoying if you're trying to 100% it on your first run through).

... Ok, so it's got a fair few issues. Still awesome though

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@Icemael: yeah i know but it was the way i did it. I didn't just go to the ending i basicly tricked the game into thinking i had got the graplinghook and somehow got into the room with the double jump. I know it's possible to finish the game with 4%. It's just the way i managed to fuck up that mad it so that i could not complete the game with 100%, which i wanted to the first time through.
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@Suicrat: what difficulty did you play on?
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@jlrm01: Samus avatar person(?) you want this game....Possible GOTY
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@tiwi said:

No bugs for the entire game until, in the ending cinematic, all the textures disappear form Jasons head, 

Just the ending? I thought this was a UE3 game? That's pretty good man, be glad.
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@sidescroller: first run 7 hours and 38 mins, second run 5 hours and "something" mins. and pluss that you get challange rooms 
i've spent over 14 hours with this game....
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@sidescroller: Yeah, I've spent at least 15 hours with this game, and I'm still not finished with it. You should go buy this game immediately.
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I don't think I used the hookshot for anything other then hidden items. I didn't use it to beat the actual story.

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@Babble: i think you missunderstod me. I know that you don't need  the glaplinghook to finish the game. but if you're going for the double jump you need it (or somewhat) becuase there is that bood b4 you find it.
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The leaderboards are really freaking out, and show different numbers every time, not to mention crashing my box a few times. Otherwise a great game, though.

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I never experienced any bugs. If you friction damper your way through a ton of rooms it's going to chug but bear in mind the game has to stream in textures since it never stops to load. The texture pop-in is an issue with Unreal Engine 3, seen in many other games. 
 
I think you're hypercritical. You say the game is great and then bitch about it as if it's the worst game you ever played.
 
Edit: cut out the bit you already knew.
 
Oh yeah and something perhaps you guys can help me with. My last passkey component is on the other side of the final boss battle (far right of the map). If I activate this battle I can't get across the other side of the lake without getting nuked. I can't go under the lake through the far right section of the map anymore because a huge stone wall has appeared in the elevator shaft that blocks that section off.
 
I've got all the gold bars, so I can restart the game from the secret room. My question is: do my passkey components and other pickups carry over if I do this?

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@Insectecutor: only the gun room.
and i'm not  hypercritical, i'm just sad that the game has so many flaws. dude I payed for it! i have the right to be pissed about it. 
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@Vitor said:
"

And there are 2 points of no return item-wise (really annoying if you're trying to 100% it on your first run through).

"
Do me a favour , PM or better, write a SPOILER warning and tell me which 2 parts in the game are no return points ?
 
Never found any "no going back points" myself but ...
 
Cheers
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I don't have a problem with bugs as much as the archaic shooting. I think I have gotten better but lining up headshots still really comes by luck for me. Leaderboards do suck, though. Mine hasn't updated at all recently. 

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@Insectecutor said:
" I think you're hypercritical. You say the game is great and then bitch about it as if it's the worst game you ever played. " 
I didn't get that vibe from the post. He even said "Even with the bugs I couldn't say you shouldn't buy this game" Really, I don't see how it comes across as if he was criticizing as if it was the worst game he ever played. Pointing out flaws in a game you enjoy it perfectly legitimate thing to do. Would you rather someone blindly say "THIS IS TEH BEST GAEM AND HAS NO FLAWS. SHUT UP"?
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I finished my first playthrough on insane. After I got the missiles, I went straight to the final boss trigger, then went and beat it. I didn't even know about the extra parts of the suit... I just double jumped and foamed everywhere. I was about to go back for 100%, but found out that the Inertial Element was lost forever after the explosion. I'm almost at 100% now on my second playthrough, after which I plan to go back through with almost nothing. Sure, the game has some problems (leaderboards, mainly, for me) but $15 is a steal. If you don't own it, at least try the demo.

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@NickNorman said:
" I finished my first playthrough on insane. After I got the missiles, I went straight to the final boss trigger, then went and beat it. I didn't even know about the extra parts of the suit... I just double jumped and foamed everywhere. I was about to go back for 100%, but found out that the Inertial Element was lost forever after the explosion. I'm almost at 100% now on my second playthrough, after which I plan to go back through with almost nothing. Sure, the game has some problems (leaderboards, mainly, for me) but $15 is a steal. If you don't own it, at least try the demo. "
@tiwi said:
" @Insectecutor: only the gun room. and i'm not  hypercritical, i'm just sad that the game has so many flaws. dude I payed for it! i have the right to be pissed about it.  "
Sounds like I'll have to play it all the way through again. What a shame :)
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@tiwi: Default (Normal)
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@tiwi:  I played through my first time on Hardcore and kind of stumbled into the final battle without 4 out of the five "key components" (maybe 3 I don't remember). Anyways, it's definitely possible to beat it even on Hardcore without a lot of the components it seems. 
 
(and yes, the grappling hook was one of the ones I didn't get)