The problem is not with countries or borders. It's the basic nature of humans.

@Pezen: What does lie ahead mr doom-sayer? Please enlighten us.

For one, its undesirable because it would be fucking boring. I wouldn't go to Germany to eat a big mac and speak about the policy decisions of Boris Johnson, I'd do it to see some people wearind lederhosen, drink a tankard of beer and eat some bratwurst. Variety is great.

I don't know where you are from, so I do not see where you are getting this 'already happening' bullshit. Every place I have live in has deep cultural divisions. In the UK for example, good luck to you if you try to convince a Scot that they are, or should be, in any way the same as an Englishman, or try telling a Catalan that they do not have an identity distinct from Spain.

Oh and we have tried to unite and assimilate many culture under a single banner, it did not work. Might want to look at a history book or two. Your whole thing about progress and science is so stupid that I don't even have the energy to respond, just sounds like something an idiotic 15 year old would say at a hippie gathering.

And I want to eat candy and shit diamonds, the difference is I'm half way to my goal.

@Pezen said:

Political globalization is inevitable. Cultural globalization is already happening. Internet is dominated by English (and Chinese I believe), and in the west a lot of countries have English as their second language from school. The idea of a unified earth isn't as far fetched as people seem to want to believe. Just because we live in a tribal carrot driven society right now, doesn't mean it always will be that way. Not saying a globalized government will be socialist, even. The doom of earth is people answering every question with "That's impossible." If that were the case, science wouldn't make the progress it makes. It makes that progress because people want to believe we can improve and find new things. Defy the notion of the impossible.

But, we're not there yet and currently, so it wouldn't be possible to make that happen today because people expect things to be a certain way right now. It's a gradual process that will take several generations. But I believe it will happen, or at the very least, it must happen for us to survive what lies ahead.

I agree with your point on language. Especially here in Scandinavia, English is more or less a second language in some sense for most people under 50(ish).

Globalization can only go so far though. People with similar opinions will always be likely to group together, and the world is a huge place. There plenty of distance to separate these groups. The internet certainly allow us to communicate more efficiently, sure. But I fear that the cost for a sustainable society is that we are going to have to give up on some luxuries such as traveling and shipping products around the world. To be honest, I'm not an economist so this might be total bullshit.

But I think it's fairly obvious that people in the more urbanized parts of the world have become more and more similar. Heck, is there still a place where they don't show The Simpsons on television?

Anyway, not the most coherent post but whatever.

I see where you're coming from, and eventually globalization and the freer movement of capital and labor could make borders more and more a thing of the past.

But until then, well...

The Earth is my country, now everyone GTFO!

Political globalization is inevitable. Cultural globalization is already happening. Internet is dominated by English (and Chinese I believe), and in the west a lot of countries have English as their second language from school. The idea of a unified earth isn't as far fetched as people seem to want to believe. Just because we live in a tribal carrot driven society right now, doesn't mean it always will be that way. Not saying a globalized government will be socialist, even. The doom of earth is people answering every question with "That's impossible." If that were the case, science wouldn't make the progress it makes. It makes that progress because people want to believe we can improve and find new things. Defy the notion of the impossible.

But, we're not there yet and currently, so it wouldn't be possible to make that happen today because people expect things to be a certain way right now. It's a gradual process that will take several generations. But I believe it will happen, or at the very least, it must happen for us to survive what lies ahead.

Society exists only as a mental concept; in the real world there are only individuals.

I just wanted to use the quote... I'll forget it if I don't! Forgive me!

You, you may say I'm a dreamer.... but I'm not the only one I hope some day you'll join us And the world will be as one...

Imagine there's no countries

It isn't hard to do

Nothing to kill or die for

And no religion too

Imagine all the people living life in peace

The only people who ever complain about borders live in countries whose free societies foster that sort of idealistic thinking, and free thinking societies benefit greatly from borders.

The majority of people living today do not live in free countries, and this is the most free the world has ever been. Nobody except bordered countries who like having borders appreciate the kind of person you are, Yagami. There is a reason for that.

@Vao said:

History is fulled with stories of "great" men trying to unite other "misguided" countries under their beliefs thinking it would be for the greater good. The problem is the "misguided" countries have their own beliefs. Do you think Hitler thought of himself as an evil dictator, or rather from his views he though he was doing his country a favor. sames goes for Stalin, the entire Roman Empire, or any other powers in wars.

If your argument is "let's give up everything bad people did", I expect you to stop breathing pretty soon here.

If that's as good a conclusion as you can come to, you haven't payed much attention to history.

Let's start with: bad governments have been more common than good ones. If you only have one of them, the likelihood is that you will just no longer have any good ones at all.

This is a game website. Not some kind of forum.

Wait, what.

@Skald said:

And the future currency can be Bison Dollars!

LOL.

Other people have already said it: sounds like the OP just discovered philosophy for dummies and sounds incredibly immature. Anyone who has any knowledge of history or philosiphy will know how hilariously bad the OPs arguments are. Why am even dignifying this thread with a response though, after the OP showed his incredible intelligence by calling the middle-east a 'shitstain' and the US 'tragic'...right...ok

@AlmostSwedish said:

@Yagami: You should consider reading Brave New World (by Huxley) or Fahrenheit 451 (by Bradbury).

I can also recommend reading Brave New World.

@Yagami said:

If I could decide, the entire world would be under one set of rules, that rule would be to respect each and everyone equally and to let all people have equal rights to everything, no matter what belief or sexuality or gender.

Good luck with that.

@Yagami: You should consider reading Brave New World (by Huxley) or Fahrenheit 451 (by Bradbury).

@JasonR86: In Sweden there are people as old as fifty (based on my own experiences) that believe this shit. Socialist weirdos.

@Xeiphyer said:

You can't get rid of the rules and let everyone figure it out on their own, because I will come to your house and cut your head off if there's no rules, so clearly that isn't an option.

Well, it's good to know the current regime is keeping you from decapitating people arbitrarily.

Incidentally, I also live in Calgary, and I really don't want to be eviscerated.

I always had the feeling the world would be growing together and eventually would abolish nationalism.

@Xeiphyer said:

You can't get rid of the rules and let everyone figure it out on their own, because I will come to your house and cut your head off if there's no rules, so clearly that isn't an option.

Well, it's good to know the current regime is keeping you from decapitating people arbitrarily.

Incidentally, I also live in Calgary, and I really don't want to be eviscerated.

"War why does it exist? Can't we just stop waging wars? and why does famine exist? Can't we just give everyone enough food?"

I wish OP would wake up and join us in the real world some day, he reminds me of a miss universe contestant.

"Imagine there's no countries. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too. Imagine all the people living life in peace. You.. you may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will be as one."

@Yagami:

Checked your profile and, yep, you're apparently 17. This sounds like the philosophy of a 17 year old. Well, I'll keep my sarcasm to myself until you get a little older.

Lay off the weed kid..... Remember when a grown ass man calling himself Sexual Bubblegum says Lay off the weed it's probably a good idea, cause that mother fucker has smoked a shit ton himself.

Militaires Sans Frontieres

I think you are seriously misguided and incorrect. I suggest taking some religion or world culture courses so you can understand how different our world cultures really are and how valuable each and every one of them is. I mean, alcohol is the blood of Christ in Christianity and completely illegal in Islam. Interpolating certain cultural beliefs will lead to the complete destruction of some cultures.

Also, I think you will like Confucianism, so you should pick up a copy of The Analects. Also, Confucius argues that the harmonious society you want has come and gone, both in the Shang and Western Zhou Dynasties. And it still only functions within one nation.

The thing is, you can't just remove borders and expect shit to fall in place. We are not built for that. What you're talking about is the result, not the cause, of a beautiful ideal, namely that we scould all learn to live peacefully together and respect eachother. First we would have to learn those things, somehow, evolve as a species, so that we could begin a shift towards a more unified existence.

What is your alternative to countries? A set of first grade rules that governs the entire Earth? Who is going to enforce these rules? Or do you expect every race, every religion, every person to get along? How about we all sit around a giant campfire fueled by weapons we no longer need/want and sing Kumbaya?

If we did not have countries, how do you suppose we would live the lifestyle we live right now? We would have nobody to lead us. Nobody to enforce rules. A lack of government would eventually result in chaos. And if we had a single government governing the entire planet, what would prevent corruption?

I'd say that borders are not as "insane" as you think they are.

"Borders are, the gallows

Of our collective national egos

Subjective, lines in sand

In the water separating everything"

How old are you? You sound incredibly naive. There will always be countries because there will always be different languages. People need countries to protect themselves and their resources from others who would wish to control them. Look at stateless people i.e. the Jews until 1948 and the Roma even today: these people were/are persecuted but give them a country and things get better. (Yes I know there are problems in Israel and that is exactly my point: nations need clearly defined borders or else all hell breaks loose. And the Roma still have no homeland, that's why they are still persecuted.)

Countries are necessary because a nation under the control of another will always suffer and eventually disappear. That's what wars are all about. That's why the Norwegians fought to liberate themselves from Sweden and Finland wants the same thing, control over their own lives without Swedish assholes dominating their country.

A one world state simply means world tyranny. You mention equality. That's the point: when one nation dominates another, there can be no equality. But if nations have their own countries then there can be equality, provided that the military deterrence exists to convince other countries not to attack you.

You mention Japan sinking and the Japanese having no place to go. EXACTLY! They'd have nowhere to go because Japan is their country. If they all became refugees they would still speak their language and practice their culture and they would eventually declare they're Chinatown-like territory as their own country and that would cause a war, like the second season of Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. Nations have very different cultures. You say everyone should be equal regardless of stuff like gender. There are lot's of extremist Muslims who disagree with you on that one. What if they go live in Sweden and attack Swedish women for being topless on a beach.

SERIOUSLY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

The one-world-state where everyone can go everywhere sorta already exists in the West. It's called Multiculturalism and it doesn't work; it just causes more bullshit that will lead to war because nations are supposed to have their own country.

Also. To get rid of countries would mean getting rid of Donkey Kong Country and I can't let that happen.

Countries aren't stupid, nationalism and patriotism is.

To say that there should be no borders would be to deny people their cultural rights. Forcing a distinct group of people to comply under a hegemonic set of rules would create more problems than it would solve. Also, by calling humans stupid you are calling yourself stupid and therefore your argument has no more merit than a person arguing for the usage of borders. By your logic, nobody wins because humans are dumb and we cannot think outside of these constraints.

So there you go, Mr. Armchair Philosopher.

I am?

@Insectecutor: The school thing is what I was thinking. Also, states are protective units. Police push back against the thieves and gangsters that kill, rob, and claim territory even in civilized nations. Armies push back against other nations with expansionist ambitions. Even if you created an "anarchist territory," it would inevitably be annexed into somebody else's state from outside or gang territory from within.

You're oversimplifying. It will NEVER be as simple as you describe.

People have different views of what is right and what is wrong. Throw religion, culture and tradition into that mix...

Trying to create a unified world would probably create more wars and conflicts than we already have. Your ideas are noble, but it's an impossible goal.

"Variety is the spice of life" so the more countires the better.

The alternatives are a one world government which will surely devolve into a totalitarian nightmare or no governments at all which will devolve into us eating each other. I'll go with the balance of different countries, thanks.

As someone who's majoring in cultural and regional studies, I'll just quote Donald Worster: "In some ultimate sense the earth may be a single living whole, but we humans do not normally see it as such nor agree on a single united response."

Haircut

You're view of a world without borders will never. Let me repeat. NEVER exist. Besides man, i love my country.

@Yagami said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

@Yagami: If we don't learn from the past we won't have a future.

And yet... the past that we need to think back upon is in the future.

I don't get why it isn't plausible to learn from the past and apply that to the future..

@Gonmog: I wasn't arguing against history O_o

@Yagami said:

I think the way to go is to have a Universal languages like English in order for people to understand eachother no matter where you go.

That's million bucks.

@Vao said:

@Still_I_Cry said:

Sounds like it was concocted by the mind of a teenager :D who hasn't studied much history :(

That wasn't meant as an insult by the way, so please don't take it that way. I just meant that you should consult history. It tells you why your ideas would not, could not and won't ever be implemented.

History is fulled with stories of "great" men trying to unite other "misguided" countries under their beliefs thinking it would be for the greater good. The problem is the "misguided" countries have their own beliefs. Do you think Hitler thought of himself as an evil dictator, or rather from his views he though he was doing his country a favor. sames goes for Stalin, the entire Roman Empire, or any other powers in wars.

Uh, ok. :/

Here's the thing, this is essentially the same debate as communism. You are totally right, and it would be great if things could work that way, and IF humans WERE perfect then we could probably pull that dream world off. Unfortunately, I think you are putting way to much faith in how far human conciseness has come; it just simply would not work right now, we are to corrupt.

Also earlier you mentioned "culture" being stupid or something, and the Middle East being a "shit-hole" This is where you make your own argument break down, you aren't even ready to accept other people for being different(and no matter what, people in different areas always will be). How do you think ALL humanity would act if all of a sudden we were under one government, or governed ourselves. It doesn't work, sorry dude. I honestly REALLY wish that it could work, but...get real.

@babblinmule said:

@Commisar123 said:

I'm a history major, and that shit is fucked up, and that's all I'm going to say about this I withdraw from this stupid debate

I'm also a history major and yeah.... 'fucked up' is the correct response to this. Don't even know where to begin with it, and I know it'll just make me angry, so I'm backing out too.

That makes three of us. Fucked up is the perfect description.