I'm glad somebody had to sense to hate RDR. Thank you Jeff. I was really worried it would get GOTY. I've put 9 hours into it so I gave it plenty of a chance and I still think it sucks. Yea the character is interesting and the world is great but actually playing the game and doing the missions utterly sucks! Oh and I LOVE westerns. I also didn't think GTA4 was all that great but certainly better than Red Dead. At least I finished that game.

I agree with Jeff about Red Dead Redemption, but what I don't understand is how he could love Grand Theft Auto IV. That game had even worse controls!

" I agree with Jeff about Red Dead Redemption, but what I don't understand is how he could love Grand Theft Auto IV. That game had even worse controls! "

Jeff's entire atitude pissed me off in more ways than one. He was just plain selfish.
 
I say this because he single-handedly managed to stop RDR from even being a real contender for the GOTY prize. By not playing more than 4-5 hours he didn't really get the story or the caracters, and when ever there was a discussion about the game he either stood quiet, said something bad about it or just joked around. Even when the Best Story/Best Ending prizes were up for discussion, he basicly said he hadn't seen the ending and was just letting himself be guided by the opinions of the other guys. It felt to me like he was giving RDR a consolation prize, because he already knew that his dislike was going to instantly bump it off the GOTY table.
 
Don't get me wrong, I understand that he might not have liked it, but he should play it to completion in order to have a better perspective. And it can't be that taxing. He was saying that the game put him off it so hard he could even bring himself to insert the disk. He's a videogame-reviewer! Deal with it!
 
The discussions for GOTY are normallly tight and when 1 out of 4 immediatly dismiss a game, that alone throws its chances of winning out the window.
 
That said, I love the guy. He's most of the reason why I come here everyday. But that was just a piss-poor atitude.
 

Jeff was pretty explicit this in the GOTY podcasts, I feel the same way he does. It's certainly a well made game, but it isn't for everyone.

This is a Game of the Year podcast. If you really don't like a game, you should say so.

Your all terrible people.

This has really gone on for 9 pages?  It's just his opinion, people.
 
Goddammit.

" @_Nuno_: If he doesn't want to play a game, no reason he should force himself to when the other 3 members of the staff played it. Brad was the only one who gave it GOTY in his personal list. Therefore, no way would it have won GOTY even if Jeff finished it. Besides I think 5 hours is more than enough time for a game to get good. If it's not good 5 hours in than the developers have failed which Rockstar is full of lately. GTA4 wasn't terrible but not as good as the rest and Midnight Club: LA was awful, as was Red Dead. I'm really scared to see how they murder Max Payne 3.  "

" @_Nuno_: ...no way would it have won GOTY even if Jeff finished it."

How is this conversation still going?

Yeah thats crazy. My brother is the same way, he played somewhere around 25% of the story and then ended up selling it...!!!?!?!?!.... I freaked out at him because I absolutely loved the game (played it through in a minimal number of sittings over a week and got 98% completion), he just said "its kinda cool but its no GTAIV". And he has bought GTAIV like 3 times by now with digital download and the new edition with the DLC packed in - but he still never plans on completing RDR... I don't understand it, but these people DO exist.

" @jakob187 said:

" @ZipCrash said:

" @_Nuno_: ...no way would it have won GOTY even if Jeff finished it."

Just the same way that Minerva's Den had no chance of winning in its category, right?  Look, long and short of it:  If you believe that what small amount of time Jeff played RDR was honestly enough to gauge the entire game, then good for you.  If you believe that what small amount of time Jeff played RDR was nowhere near enough time to honestly gauge the entire game, then good for you.  As much as we hate it, the decisions on theirs to make and not ours.  Luckily, if RDR is so beloved by this community, then it'll be the one that gets Community Game of the Year.  If not, then shuddup. "

This, my friends, is a very common specimen. "The Internet Asshole" as he is commonly known, or "Internitia Assholis", often tells others how to feel about things and what to think. He also ends several of his posts with a trademark "shuddup" and likes to dismiss people's opinions and totally valid discussions with the awesomely patronizing "if you think this, good for you".  Also, since human contact is nearly impossible for him, he wastes his time posting on everything which is why he has like 50000 posts. "

" He does have a point out Minerva's Den. lol "

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@ZipCrash said:

" He does have a point out Minerva's Den. lol "

True, but that only reinforces my original point. "

 
He dosen't need to justify his opinion( even if he likes GTA 4, but not Redemption ) because it is his opinion. 
From what I heard in the GotY discusions, it sounds like the traveling which takes up a large portion of your time is what turned him off of it.  I don't believe most people minded always pushing "A" once you got into the rhythm of it, but he still did. 
 
Did he say it was a bad game, or did he simply say he didn't care for it?

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He dosen't need to justify his opinion( even if he likes GTA 4, but not Redemption ) because it is his opinion. 
From what I heard in the GotY discusions, it sounds like the traveling which takes up a large portion of your time is what turned him off of it.  I don't believe most people minded always pushing "A" once you got into the rhythm of it, but he still did. 
 
Did he say it was a bad game, or did he simply say he didn't care for it?

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" @OllyOxenFree: There is a difference between having an opinion and being flat out wrong. "