Endurance Run: Chrono Trigger - Part 32

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

@MrBlueJackle said:

@NakAttack said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

PATRICK TRIES TO BE TACTICAL AND MISSES THE MOST BASIC SHIT.

BOURBON_WARRIOR HITS CAPS LOCK AND RAGES ABOUT VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!!

NAKATTACK ATTACKS BOURBON_WARRIOR WITH CAPSLOCK MOCKERY ON A WEBSITE ABOUT VIDEOGAMES!!!1

I LIKE STATING OBVIOUS THINGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@xbob42 said:

@bluecollaralaskan said:

is it just me or does Patrick seem like kind of a back seat driver. I feel like he tries to micro manage the way Ryan plays a little too much. Extra input is always good, but sometimes he takes it a little too far. Not all the time, but there have been a few episodes where I thought to myself, if I was controlling the game, and had him yapping like that, I'd want to punch him..

Now imagine the raging neckbeards on this forum breathing down their necks for missing a chest or not doing something perfectly.

The only thing worse than seeing the same complaints repeated ad-nauseam and seeing Patrick and Ryan fail at basic reading comprehension is seeing the same retarded strawman get trotted out over and over again.

@SethMode said:

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

He is correct, except maybe for one boss battle or two. I love this and other old SNES JRPGs, but the gameplay feels outdated even for me.

@supertuna said:

@SethMode said:

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

He is correct, except maybe for one boss battle or two. I love this and other old SNES JRPGs, but the gameplay feels outdated even for me.

I would say they have been employing brute force pretty much consistently and rarely thinking their way out of combat scenarios. Which is why so many fights that are typically not that hard have been difficult for them. Although I do agree, the fact that you can succeed that way definitely shows that CT is extremely forgiving.

@MannySavior said:

Confuse (the terribly named tech) does well over 1k damage to one target.

Whaaat? That is terribly named. They've never going to use that. Nobody uses status moves, they're icky. Also yeah, they're not reading any comments. Except that one time people spammed their twits, but it was necessary, I guess.

"Someone close to one of you needs help."

Oh man, they are totally gonna fuck that up. But I did the first time, so eh.

@ll_Exile_ll: It's not that. It's just like five seconds into the clip it starts buffering, after a while the clip starts to play for another 5-10 seconds and then it starts to buffer again, even on 360p.

The problem is only on youtube and no other site is slow to load. But i haven't seen anyone else mentoin it so i guess it's something to do with my internet?

@SethMode said:

@supertuna said:

@SethMode said:

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

He is correct, except maybe for one boss battle or two. I love this and other old SNES JRPGs, but the gameplay feels outdated even for me.

I would say they have been employing brute force pretty much consistently and rarely thinking their way out of combat scenarios. Which is why so many fights that are typically not that hard have been difficult for them. Although I do agree, the fact that you can succeed that way definitely shows that CT is extremely forgiving.

'Cept that part where they sit and think about how to beat almost every boss they've fought...

Your memory is as selective as theirs.

@gladspooky said:

"Someone close to one of you needs help."

Oh man, they are totally gonna fuck that up. But I did the first time, so eh.

Who is that referring to? The only NPC's I can think of are Bucca's mom/dad, Barle's parents, Brono's mom and the little twerp from Byla's time.

it would have been great if, right after the thing told you not to fall and ryan fell, a text box came up and said "WHAT DID I JUST FINISH TELLING YOU!". not a jab at ryan at all, just saying it would have been great if they had put that in the game

@NakAttack said:

@MrBlueJackle said:

@NakAttack said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

PATRICK TRIES TO BE TACTICAL AND MISSES THE MOST BASIC SHIT.

BOURBON_WARRIOR HITS CAPS LOCK AND RAGES ABOUT VIDEO GAMES!!!!!!!!

NAKATTACK ATTACKS BOURBON_WARRIOR WITH CAPSLOCK MOCKERY ON A WEBSITE ABOUT VIDEOGAMES!!!1

I LIKE STATING OBVIOUS THINGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE YELLING ABOUT !!!!

uhoh, did they max out HP on a character? are they almost to the end of the game or something?

@MrBlueJackle said:

@SethMode said:

@supertuna said:

@SethMode said:

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

He is correct, except maybe for one boss battle or two. I love this and other old SNES JRPGs, but the gameplay feels outdated even for me.

I would say they have been employing brute force pretty much consistently and rarely thinking their way out of combat scenarios. Which is why so many fights that are typically not that hard have been difficult for them. Although I do agree, the fact that you can succeed that way definitely shows that CT is extremely forgiving.

'Cept that part where they sit and think about how to beat almost every boss they've fought...

Your memory is as selective as theirs.

I guess...maybe I am just saying that their way of "thinking" their way out of a combat scenario (attack this thing first and load up Bobo and heal) isn't really thinking that hard. I would say thinking their way out of combat scenarios would be using new techs and dual techs and seeing how they work. They make it seem like beating that dude underground is all about brute force when really they're just using techs that are outdated at this point. In other words, they spend time after losses trying to figure out why they lost, but they don't really sit and think outside of the box at all. They just look for new ways to employ brute force. Just my opinion.

@mutha3: It's Bucca's mother. You have to save her from getting crushed by a machine her father built. Just did this part last night!

@plainplease said:

uhoh, did they max out HP on a character? are they almost to the end of the game or something?

Not much of a spoiler at this point, but yeah they are kind of in the end game. Everything from now until Lavos is sidequest stuff. There's a few hours and probably a lot of episodes left since some of those quests are pretty esoteric.

@ll_Exile_ll: It's not that. It's just like five seconds into the clip it starts buffering, after a while the clip starts to play for another 5-10 seconds and then it starts to buffer again, even on 360p.

The problem is only on youtube and no other site is slow to load. But i haven't seen anyone else mentoin it so i guess it's something to do with my internet?

@plainplease said:

uhoh, did they max out HP on a character? are they almost to the end of the game or something?

No. Not really. I believe most HP in this game maxes out in the 50-60 level range.

They just have a +50% HP item on Bobo, who already has the highest HP in the game.

@mutha3 said:

@gladspooky said:

"Someone close to one of you needs help."

Oh man, they are totally gonna fuck that up. But I did the first time, so eh.

Who is that referring to? The only NPC's I can think of are Bucca's mom/dad, Barle's parents, Brono's mom and the little twerp from Byla's time.

It's actually a mistranslation. It's supposed to say talk to your party members to learn about their sidequests.

@mutha3 said:

@gladspooky said:

"Someone close to one of you needs help."

Oh man, they are totally gonna fuck that up. But I did the first time, so eh.

Who is that referring to? The only NPC's I can think of are Bucca's mom/dad, Barle's parents, Brono's mom and the little twerp from Byla's time.

I'm not going to say, but they're in your list. I do know it comes up while you're doing one of the other side quests, though.

@zegolf said:

@mutha3: It's Bucca's mother. You have to save her from getting crushed by a machine her father built. Just did this part last night!

I failed, or at least I think I failed that when it gets shown to you in the 'camping in the woods' part. Is there another chance you get to stop that from happening?

Why didn't they try Luminaire? ''Ultimate damage'' sounds pretty useful.

@gosukiller: Nope, that's the only chance you get. No save beforehand?

@gosukiller said:

@zegolf said:

@mutha3: It's Bucca's mother. You have to save her from getting crushed by a machine her father built. Just did this part last night!

I failed, or at least I think I failed that when it gets shown to you in the 'camping in the woods' part. Is there another chance you get to stop that from happening?

Wait, you can actually fail that? That.....seems oddly dark for this game. Then again, CT is full of surprises.

I love the ending where humanity basically gets replaced by reptile people.

I was praying that when they scanned through all their techs that they would notice cure wave and confuse.

I guess they already forgot about that heal all combo with bobo/brog...

I enjoy Endurance Runs as much as anyone here, but the way these guys play can be painful because they don't do logical actions. They're going to have a ton of trouble fighting Son of Sun and Mother Brain.

Please keep Bagus on the team!

@mutha3 said:

@gosukiller said:

@zegolf said:

@mutha3: It's Bucca's mother. You have to save her from getting crushed by a machine her father built. Just did this part last night!

I failed, or at least I think I failed that when it gets shown to you in the 'camping in the woods' part. Is there another chance you get to stop that from happening?

Wait, you can actually fail that? That.....seems oddly dark for this game. Then again, CT is full of surprises.

I love the ending where humanity basically gets replaced by reptile people.

Oh yeah. When I played, I had no idea who Lara was or that you need to use the corresponding letters on the controller. I was expecting a text prompt.

Does the Sightscope actually work on bosses? I haven't played this in forever, but I think there were some Square RPGs that wouldn't let you check the HP of its bosses.

Please use Cure Wave. Please. Just try it once and see how it goes. Just once. Please.

The reason your current group has the most Dual Techs together is because they've been together the longest. You only learn new dual techs when you actually have the two members in a fight.

Okay they read the dual techs, and acknowledged Cure Wave's existence. Baby steps, but steps nonetheless. Watching them grow brings a tear to my eye.

You're big boys now guys!

@wolf_blitzer85 said:

Okay they read the dual techs, and acknowledged Cure Wave's existence. Baby steps, but steps nonetheless. Watching them grow brings a tear to my eye.

Pretty sure they just scrolled over it rather than 'acknowledged' it.

I.E: Pretty sure their reading comprehension failed again. :P

@SethMode said:

@MrBlueJackle said:

@SethMode said:

@supertuna said:

@SethMode said:

I'm enjoying this ER, and am not one to correct how they're playing, but the comment by Ryan of "So far this game has never presented us with a combat scenario that you couldn't think your way out of...it didn't have to be all brute force" made me chuckle.

He is correct, except maybe for one boss battle or two. I love this and other old SNES JRPGs, but the gameplay feels outdated even for me.

I would say they have been employing brute force pretty much consistently and rarely thinking their way out of combat scenarios. Which is why so many fights that are typically not that hard have been difficult for them. Although I do agree, the fact that you can succeed that way definitely shows that CT is extremely forgiving.

'Cept that part where they sit and think about how to beat almost every boss they've fought...

Your memory is as selective as theirs.

I guess...maybe I am just saying that their way of "thinking" their way out of a combat scenario (attack this thing first and load up Bobo and heal) isn't really thinking that hard. I would say thinking their way out of combat scenarios would be using new techs and dual techs and seeing how they work. They make it seem like beating that dude underground is all about brute force when really they're just using techs that are outdated at this point. In other words, they spend time after losses trying to figure out why they lost, but they don't really sit and think outside of the box at all. They just look for new ways to employ brute force. Just my opinion.

Also- I have to agree with the middle ground proposed above as to whether they actually think through the situations in the game.

They DO think, its just that they're not very good at it. :P

Desertification, totally a word Ryan.

Oh my god you guys, get the most powerful spell in the game then don't use it, ULTIMATE DAMAGE.

Wait, desertification? I knew that Radiant Historia borrowed a lot from Chrono Trigger, but damn. (Also, @Ryan , spell check is telling me that it's totally a word.)

I can't really blame them (too much) for this one. Ok, missing Cure Wave after reading it a few minutes earlier is pretty dumb but not even in the top 3 dumbest things they've done so far this ER.

I can forgive them for not using Confuse because it's a poorly named Tech and the game has taught them that status effects don't work on bosses. Still, I don't think they've ever tried it to find out that it's more than it seems.

Also, this is one of the hardest fights in the game unless you know what you're doing because of how hard and how often he hits. Also the best strategy in this fight is kind of counter-intuitive (keep the center alive with non-water magic because as long as the center lives, the lowered defense from water doesn't reset).

@Calavero said:

Why didn't they try Luminaire? ''Ultimate damage'' sounds pretty useful.

He's immune to all magic. Only water lowers his defense.

@zegolf said:

@gosukiller: Nope, that's the only chance you get. No save beforehand?

I think I've just saved over it, not realising that that was the only oppertunity I would have.

Bagus we hardly knew ye.

Bobo needs a pair of ethers *rolls dice*

Hard to blame them - I'd say this is one of the harder bosses in the game, especially if you tackle it first. But they do need to look into other physical techs. Confuse for Brono, Uzzi Punch for Robo all do a ton more damage than Spincut.

@Calavero: It's magic attack which means it won't do any damage on it.

Guys, use full tonics!

Halfway in today's..
1: They're still missing so much and we're getting to the end, lol guess it never mattered. Duals, triples, how items work, etc. This was always an easy game.
2: "I want to do some sidequests" YESSSSS. They may miss some, but damn I'm glad they'll hit up what they can.
3: Oh god please don't get stuck on the old man's mistranslated line, lol.
4: I wish so much they would use confuse..

@cikame said:

Oh my god you guys, get the most powerful spell in the game then don't use it, ULTIMATE DAMAGE.

It's just a differently named Lightning 3. Aka, magic damage, to which the boss is immume.

Look at the giant psychodelic fro-that didn't do shit.

Random encounters? Nope, they are scripted for those specific spots you're entering.

@bluecollaralaskan said:

is it just me or does Patrick seem like kind of a back seat driver. I feel like he tries to micro manage the way Ryan plays a little too much. Extra input is always good, but sometimes he takes it a little too far. Not all the time, but there have been a few episodes where I thought to myself, if I was controlling the game, and had him yapping like that, I'd want to punch him..

The way Ryan plays this game, I'm really not surprised.