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Quick Look: Demon's Souls

Like dark fantasy? Hate yourself? Then Vinny has a game for you!

Sit back and enjoy as the Giant Bomb team takes an unedited look at the latest video games.

Oct. 10 2009

Cast: Dave, Jeff, Vinny

Posted by: Drew

In This Episode:

Demon's Souls

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@Turambar: Of course they aren't the definitive voice, if they were all I'd have in my game collection would be Halo and Gears of War games.
 
It's really something when hardcore gamers are calling a hardcore game too hard, really something.
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There are about five or six things I saw that I'd like to change about this game, but aside from that it actually looks like something I'd enjoy...am I insane?  I think the combat sticks out to me, I really like the idea of when you get hit in the fucking face with a sword it pretty much means the end, and same case for your enemies.  I'm not sure how I feel about the death penalty stuff, that does seem a little harsh and pretty time consuming(I have more important things to do than play the same level over and over)... and yeah the menu stuff doesn't seem real good either.  Also I'm not really sold on the whole "always online" idea... I guess the notes idea is pretty cool... eh... I guess I don't own a PS3 so this is all pointless really. :/

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I'm strangely drawn towards this. I think I'll try it out.

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They didn't mention that the level cap is 712

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@FaintDeftone: I'd like to know your thoughts on Halo:ODST, since it looks on par with The Conduit? 
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@FaintDeftone: This game is not cheap i can see you havent played it at all. It rewards the player by making you have a faster reaction time and better skills. The games ui may be outdated but this game is very well executed. Its not GOW3 or in other words a button masher. You have to think about what you are doing. If you screw up there is a penalty. Man i remember when games were a challenge and not some hold you hand type of crap. These gamers these days are spoiled and need to go back to gaming roots where games where a challenge. Because that is the point of a game is to be a challenge. 
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@kagekage said:
" Brad should be locked in a room and told that he will not be able to leave until he beats that game. "
^ I agree with this comment.  LMFAO.
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@teh_pwnzorer said:
" @Quacktastic said:
" It's not as hard as everyone makes it seem the game just rewards patience.  I like it a lot. "
Patience?  Nintendo is making games that play themselves for the 'Mericans.   "
I have a feeling both Ryan and Jeff will have a fantastic time with Nintendos WiiPlayWithOurselves upcoming software lineup, they can't bitch about the difficulty since there won't be any begin with.
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@blahblahepic: Yay generalizations!
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Well you could tell Dave was pretty hot for it once he popped the stats menu up.
 
I was on pins and needles watching the whole time. Plus the game oozes class. Honestly if I had the time and energy I'd probably play this instead of Dragon Age, which looks generic beyond belief.
 
Basically it's a 3d roguelike and while I don't think that genre is for me I totally respect people who are into it.

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@Quacktastic said:
" Played the Chinese release of this over the summer and it's not as hard as everyone makes it seem.  The game rewards patience.  I like it a lot. "
 
Quoted.
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@blahblahepic said:
" @teh_pwnzorer said:
" @Quacktastic said:
" It's not as hard as everyone makes it seem the game just rewards patience.  I like it a lot. "
Patience?  Nintendo is making games that play themselves for the 'Mericans.   "
I have a feeling both Ryan and Jeff will have a fantastic time with Nintendos WiiPlayWithOurselves upcoming software lineup, they can't bitch about the difficulty since there won't be any begin with. "
Nintendo's version of the achievement/trophy system will involve choosing which achievement/trophy you want from a menu and then wagging your Wiimote to get it.
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@blahblahepic:

If you really were  'hardcore' you'd grow some balls and criticize folk for their OPINION on your REAL account. Microsoft Alignment + registration today? Smells more like Playstation fanboy that didn't grow a pair.

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@blahblahepic said:
" @Turambar: Of course they aren't the definitive voice, if they were all I'd have in my game collection would be Halo and Gears of War games.  It's really something when hardcore gamers are calling a hardcore game too hard, really something. "
They're gamers in breadth not depth.  Jeff has a million games and has no time to play them himself...or read the manual...or even pay attention to a minute long tutorial.
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This is why we can't have nice things.

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@blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas?
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@teh_pwnzorer said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" @teh_pwnzorer said:
" @Quacktastic said:
" It's not as hard as everyone makes it seem the game just rewards patience.  I like it a lot. "
Patience?  Nintendo is making games that play themselves for the 'Mericans.   "
I have a feeling both Ryan and Jeff will have a fantastic time with Nintendos WiiPlayWithOurselves upcoming software lineup, they can't bitch about the difficulty since there won't be any begin with. "
Nintendo's version of the achievement/trophy system will involve choosing which achievement/trophy you want from a menu and then wagging your Wiimote to get it. "
Or if that's too hard for you, you can have Nintendos WiiPlayWithOurselves do it for you.
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The game has a much steeper learning curve than most games. Its not Quick Look material in the normal sense (no sane person can play this game and talk at the same time, not for long anyway).
 
Also, each class starts with different load outs and magician (what Vinny was using) is actually one of the hardest. Other classes like Royal and I think Priest, have rings that allow mana regen. Then just drop stat points into magic, willpower, faith, etc. and you have a better magic caster that's easier to level.
 
Vinny, props for trying a much harder stage thinking its easier (go back to the castle or the mines imo).
 
Couple tips Vinny: get a shield that blocks 100% physical (smith in the Nexus sells one) and go back to the castle (world 1, level 1) for the Cling Ring (by the big dude who hates fire, you can drop over the ramparts to a ledge, its right there - raises your hp in soul form). Good Luck and don't forget to use soldier and hero souls for even more soul points (but not boss souls cause those get turned into better stuff later on).

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I'd love to try this game, but it'd probably destroy me.

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Vinny made this game looks a lot harder than it is with his bad play and stinginess on the health items, when he started attacking the air and was locked on to a guy 3 floors down I knew he wasn't gonna make it. He had about 3 more bad guys to clear and he would have got to the lever which opens a gate and is basically as good as a checkpoint. Even though you start back at the beginning your progress is saved so you could have opened a gate to get back their in 1 minute and recollected his souls, plus half the dungeon would have been completed. He also didn't do a good job of explaining everything about the game but for someone who hasn't been paying attention to the game or read the manual, he did a decent job. I'm about 30 hours into the game and it's not a cheap game, only very challenging. The game is incredibly rewarding and they didn't even show the online co-op or pvp which is half the fun.

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I was just thinking: if you loose all your souls at death, shouldn't you just make sure you spend them all on equipment and stats?

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@blahblahepic: I don't know why your getting so butt hurt over this video. I watched the whole thing and I don't get where your coming from. Not once did Jeff ever say the game was shit. He just expressed displeasure in the overwhelming difficulty of the game like many people have. Yes maybe when he plays it he may find that he likes it. You can't go through life attacking people and acting like an asshole every time someone doesn't share your opinion with a certain game.
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I took one look at this page and Jesus, why is everybody fighting??  From Halo to Nintendo games, this has nothing to do with any of those.  People need to go to pages without some sort of emotional agenda and stick to talking about what the comments are relevant to.

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@thecleric said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "
Giantbomb doesn't look at other reviews when reviewing a game. They've said so on the Bombcast. You don't do that when you review a game because it skews your perspective and can change your opinion on a game. I think the fact that both Infamous and Batman got 5 stars says a lot about those games since they got that score without them knowing the game was critically acclaimed.
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@august: Well, I'm pretty sure as you buy better things and level up more stats, they start to cost more and more and you have to save up.
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The game is great, too many ignorant people saying it looks awful.
 
It is a really hard game though, so if you suck at games, probably not the game for you.  If you liked that Fallout 3 and Oblivion told you where to go on your map & compass, probably not the game for you.

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@blahblahepic said:
" @PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @blahblahepic: I don't know why your getting so butt hurt over this video. I watched the whole thing and I don't get where your coming from. Not once did Jeff ever say the game was shit. He just expressed displeasure in the overwhelming difficulty of the game like many people have. Yes maybe when he plays it he may find that he likes it. You can't go through life attacking people and acting like an asshole every time someone doesn't share your opinion with a certain game. "
Who's getting butthurt? I'm expressing my concerns over a hardcore gamer crying about a game that isn't casual in gameplay and gameplay mechanic execution, just because their isn't a Kill Button in Demons Souls does not mean it deserves such harsh criticism.    I also find it hilarious that Dave took a shot at the Menu, considering the Menu and inventory system of most PC games are absolute garbage. "
Dave took a shot at the pictures in the menus. Not the menus themselves. And there is a kill button, it's the button that swings your sword.
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@PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @thecleric said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "
Giantbomb doesn't look at other reviews when reviewing a game. They've said so on the Bombcast. You don't do that when you review a game because it skews your perspective and can change your opinion on a game. I think the fact that both Infamous and Batman got 5 stars says a lot about those games since they got that score without them knowing the game was critically acclaimed. "
They might not look at reviews, but you think they didn't see stuff like on the Batman AA Quick Look with all the fanboys screaming 'They better give this a 5/5! Ryan didn't seem interested! He's wrong, this game is incredible! Gametrailers gave it a so and so' etc.
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Warning: Half joking post below.
 
Fans aren't blind, we're forgiving.  The game is brutal, isn't the greatest looking, and has a menu that leaves more to be desired, but you can all suck our collective cocks because we fucking love it anyways! :D

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@Brendan said:

"I took one look at this page and Jesus, why is everybody fighting??  From Halo to Nintendo games, this has nothing to do with any of those.  People need to go to pages without some sort of emotional agenda and stick to talking about what the comments are relevant to. "


This.  
 
@thecleric said:
"The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "

Yes. OR, Batman and Infamour are actually really great games and all these reviewers--Giant Bomb included--are actually on to something here. Novelty in itself does not equal awesomeness.
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@blahblahepic said:
I also find it hilarious that Dave took a shot at the Menu, considering the Menu and inventory system of most PC games are absolute garbage. "
I... what?
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@kagekage said:
" Brad should be locked in a room and told that he will not be able to leave until he beats that game. "
This is a great idea, Brad Endurance run!
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@thecleric said:
" @PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @thecleric said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "
Giantbomb doesn't look at other reviews when reviewing a game. They've said so on the Bombcast. You don't do that when you review a game because it skews your perspective and can change your opinion on a game. I think the fact that both Infamous and Batman got 5 stars says a lot about those games since they got that score without them knowing the game was critically acclaimed. "
They might not look at reviews, but you think they didn't see stuff like on the Batman AA Quick Look with all the fanboys screaming 'They better give this a 5/5! Ryan didn't seem interested! He's wrong, this game is incredible! Gametrailers gave it a so and so' etc. "
Ryan didn't review the game, Jeff did. And Jeff reviewed it at home on vacation when he isolated himself away from anything video game related. He couldn't take that for long, came into the office and got the copy of Batman, and then played it at home away from all the hype and screaming kids. He came away really loving the game and thinking it was of high quality.
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This game looks like a fun game to play during the winter months, like Dave said, maybe with snow outside and nothing else going on. I'm interested in trying it out at least.

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What the fuck...

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@thecleric said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "
I was going to comment on how Vinny is the only member of the Giant Bomb staff who actually plays games regardless of the 'office opinion' on the game.
 
Major props to Vinny.
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@teh_pwnzorer: 
 
..i dunno he seems that way in all the Quick Looks.  Only exception where he really seemed excited about the game was Forza 3.
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Sassing staff members should be bannable if it isn't already. If you want a site that does nothing but kiss your game of choice's ass go to IGN.

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So this game is by from software...it melts part of my brain to think about it. After seeing the character creator, they need to stick with making mech games.  
 
My soul died a little seeing this rather unplayable game from Japan which proves yet again that a studio hates you for buying their game. Glad i have no ps3.
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Seriously I don't understand the hype for this, the game is nothing more than a ridiculously tough Monster Hunter/Diablo clone. The online connectivity seems cool but who cares when the game is so terrible.

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@NoXious said:
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Where's the story? You're basically just grinding souls, to progress in character terms? That's it? There's no PVP? There's no personal property beyond gear?

Wow, I would not want to play this game. I used to love hardcore mode in Diablo 2 - then I grew up realizing that wasting my time to grind stuff isn't fun anymore without a goal beyond "being the best" in a hack&slash...

I'll just wait for Dragon Age and get by by playing games that wont frustrate me to the point of high blood pressure!

"
Research the game more...don't judge it based on this video alone.  Yes there is PVP.  However they did mention that in this video actually...pay attention.  You get stones and you can use a stone to invade another person's game and try to kill them.
 
Also, from my understanding, one of the bosses is actually another player in the game.  You fight some monk that summons another player and that player turns into a boss (gets boss health and everything) and you must defeat that player.
 
I'm still contemplating getting this game or waiting for Uncharted 2 next week.  I dunno...I think I'd get more out of this game.
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I am pretty much obligated to buy anything Atlus puts out these days, and when I saw that they were publishing this title, I was instantly curious about it. Having researched it, I actually came away looking foreword too it, precisely because of the alleged difficulty. In this day and age, when most games are rather easy or hold your hand, a game that would kick me in the balls and then make me say thank you is a refreshing change of pace. I am about 15 hours into it. I played around with a few classes and settled on the one that appealed to me, building it towards my play style (heavy armor/shield w/ a few spells). Every time I beat a boss, it is a very epic feeling, knowing that I finally managed to trounce a mad difficult encounter.
 
Props to Vinny for taking the time to give this a look.
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@PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @thecleric said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" I feel sorry for the GiantBomb crew, they're so far up their own ass that they aren't willing to give a game a chance and instead choose to cry "THis shit is crap!" even BEFORE playing the game.  Perhaps they'll add a Chainsaw in Demons Souls 2, maybe then Jeff will give it a fair shake? "
The whole site feels like the staff rides the hype train for anything. Vinnie seems to be the only one who will give anything a chance, even if it's not his thing. I still can't believe Batman and inFamous got a 5/5, I seriously thought the Batman was 'Well everyone else is giving it perfect scores, let's do it too'. Is it just me or does GiantBomb just not like new ideas? "
Giantbomb doesn't look at other reviews when reviewing a game. They've said so on the Bombcast. You don't do that when you review a game because it skews your perspective and can change your opinion on a game. I think the fact that both Infamous and Batman got 5 stars says a lot about those games since they got that score without them knowing the game was critically acclaimed. "
Add to that the fact that Ryan really seemed to be skeptical about the Arkham Asylum hype, as indicated by the Quick Look and podcast discussions, and Ryan also doesn't really seem to like ODST. Also, remember that these Quick Looks are just lighthearted entertainment, designed to inform the viewer, not pass judgment on the product. 
 
If you take the time to read the reviews on the site, you'll see that they make very clear critiques, and they most definitely do NOT rate games based on hype. Batman deserved the 5, inFamous deserved the 5, and ODST deserved the 4.  All games are judged fairly and from an unbiased perspective.
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@Brendan said:

" I took one look at this page and Jesus, why is everybody fighting??  From Halo to Nintendo games, this has nothing to do with any of those.  People need to go to pages without some sort of emotional agenda and stick to talking about what the comments are relevant to. "

There was a smattering of this in the Dragon Age QL too. Some people are being a bit silly, and I think we've attracted a troll or two.
 
Shame, it drowns out the genuinely sensible posters (like Oginam). I'm glad they did a QL for it, nice to see it in action. Maybe I'll pick it up if I can import it cheaply.
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@fox01313 said:

" So this game is by from software...it melts part of my brain to think about it. After seeing the character creator, they need to stick with making mech games. Glad i have no ps3. "

^ I dunno if I find these comments hilarious...or just irritatingly stupid.
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@handlas said:
" @teh_pwnzorer:   ..i dunno he seems that way in all the Quick Looks.  Only exception where he really seemed excited about the game was Forza 3. "
That's because Forza 3 has driving assists, a rewind button, and a driving line.
 
It's right up their alley; I expect them to bitch about Gran Turismo 5 because it doesn't let you rewind when you fuck up.
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@Chaossebba said:
" @kagekage said:
" Brad should be locked in a room and told that he will not be able to leave until he beats that game. "
This is a great idea, Brad Endurance run! "
I have a feeling that would be the last we ever heard from Brad.
 
Regarding the game, it looks interesting to me and I will probably get sometime down the line. 
 Also I'm predicting your gonna be seeing a lot of used copies of this game at GameStop
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I still don't understand shit about this game.
 
Game looks awesome though, but will probably never play it, I just don't have the patience for this kind of game.

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@PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @blahblahepic said:
" @PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @blahblahepic: I don't know why your getting so butt hurt over this video. I watched the whole thing and I don't get where your coming from. Not once did Jeff ever say the game was shit. He just expressed displeasure in the overwhelming difficulty of the game like many people have. Yes maybe when he plays it he may find that he likes it. You can't go through life attacking people and acting like an asshole every time someone doesn't share your opinion with a certain game. "
Who's getting butthurt? I'm expressing my concerns over a hardcore gamer crying about a game that isn't casual in gameplay and gameplay mechanic execution, just because their isn't a Kill Button in Demons Souls does not mean it deserves such harsh criticism.    I also find it hilarious that Dave took a shot at the Menu, considering the Menu and inventory system of most PC games are absolute garbage. "
Dave took a shot at the pictures in the menus. Not the menus themselves. And there is a kill button, it's the button that swings your sword. "
Yeah, have you seen the pictures in the menus of PC games? Just because they're at a higher res than 720p doesn't meant they're any better.
 
And by Kill Button I meant a dedicated B button that revs up every time you press it.
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@PlasmaBeam44 said:
" @blahblahepic:  Not once did Jeff ever say the game was shit.  "
Other than the part where he said "The part where you play it seems awful"