So has 3D actually improved anyone's skills yet?

#1 Posted by Jeff (3336 posts) -

The more time I spend playing games in 3D, the worse I seem to get. I'm in the middle of reviewing another first-person shooter that has 3D support, and it's the same old story. Now that we've had a few of these, I wanna know: 
 
Do any of you do as well as or better than you used to do when you played in 2D?

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#2 Posted by natetodamax (19136 posts) -

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no. But that's mostly going off of what I've heard of playing games in 3D. I looked at Crysis 2 in 3D at PAX East and it seemed like it would be hard to get good at playing in that mode.

#3 Posted by Daveyo520 (6597 posts) -

I think it would make me do worse. Having to put glasses over my glasses never works out. All the 3D movies I see are always off.

#4 Edited by Kyreo (4600 posts) -

I don't know anything about playing but I know that whenever I watch a 3D movie I have a hard time reading anything for about 15 minutes afterwards.  I imagine something similar would happen if I were to PLAY something in 3D.

#5 Posted by MooseyMcMan (9737 posts) -

Not for me. I actively avoid anything that requires the use of 3D glasses because I wear regular glasses all the time, and one pair of glasses is enough. 

#6 Edited by MonetaryDread (1951 posts) -

It depends on the game type. In FPS games I find that stereoscopic 3d helps in slower situations, like sniping for example, where your character is planted on the floor. When it comes to moving at high speed, 3d is nothing more than eye candy.
#7 Posted by OmegaPirate (5518 posts) -

Killzone 3 in 3d was neat - as well as black ops. and i enjoyed experiencing the campaigns a second time in a new way. However after trying the multiplayer in CoD (admittedly not tried killzone yet) i found myself struggling a lot more than i normally would to concentrate on the simple motor functions of a multiplayer fps.
 
However a lot of the 'oh thats nice' came from little touches (crosshair depth in killzone, scoping in Black ops) that didn't really enhance the experience so much that it made up for my major gripe with 3D - The depth of field implemented in most FPS - primarily in CoD. 
It's incredibly hard to switch your brain and eyes from where they want to be looking, to the 'window' presented to you at any given time, this is a real issue in CoD where they use a lot of  "blur everything except this one focal point" techniques that don't quite match up. 
 Add that to the frame rate drop in most cases and it's just not a compelling substitute for playing in regular ol' 2d. 
   
Maybe other types of game aren't as prone to the issue as the FPS category, but as the only one i've had the experience of it in - i gotta say it doesn't seem to help in the slightest - offline its a neat little harmless gimmick, whilst online it's an often headache inducing distraction that reduces performance in frame rate and player

#8 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19153 posts) -
@MooseyMcMan said:
" Not for me. I actively avoid anything that requires the use of 3D glasses because I wear regular glasses all the time, and one pair of glasses is enough.  "
Have you tried it?
#9 Posted by MooseyMcMan (9737 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
" @MooseyMcMan said:
" Not for me. I actively avoid anything that requires the use of 3D glasses because I wear regular glasses all the time, and one pair of glasses is enough.  "
Have you tried it? "
Yeah. It wasn't terrible, but the 3D effect was not worth having to wear two pairs of glasses at the same time. It was kinda neat, but also kinda eye-strain-y. Plus the second pair of glasses felt like it was on the verge of falling off. 
#10 Posted by Aegon (5117 posts) -

I'm guessing the game is Crysis 2.

#11 Posted by keyhunter (3207 posts) -

Back in 2002 I played some virtual reality 3D headset motion controller shooter at playdium. Judging by that I'm gonna say I hate 3D shooters. It was a brutal and confusing experience.

#12 Posted by Aronman789 (2674 posts) -

3D always gives me a headache, I couldn't even try to play seriously with 3D on.

#13 Posted by craigbo180 (1739 posts) -

I've never played a video game in 3D...

#14 Posted by GlenTennis (3143 posts) -

I have a slight vision defect, so I literally suck with glasses on 3d. Hoping the 3ds will be playable for me, though.

#15 Posted by Recostar (115 posts) -

Hello Jeff
 I will do my best to answer any questions you have regarding3D.
     I have to come clean here on this and admit to some of the flaws that might have transitioned to the 3DS that have been fixed on the PC and Consoles. First person shooters are very hard to get used to when playing in 3D. This is for the simple fact that when looking down the site you end up seeing  both the left and right  side of it. This makes lining up your enemy's a very difficult task. The simple fix for the PC is just dialing back the  separation and convergence. Unfortunately, for the 3DS your only able to set the Depth, the Convergence is automatically adjusted for you .  If or when the Nintendo releases a Firmwares to let the customers not only adjust the depth but also the Convergence in the game  this will allow you to eliminate the problem significantly .
 
BTW Jeff I know your a busy guy but  if at all possible could you tell me if your able to watch Youtube clips in on the 3DS ?  I'm dieing to find out as Nintendo did mention that will be possible.  Here's a clip I made a few months back.   
 
  

  
 

 


 

#16 Posted by jakob187 (21503 posts) -

I don't even personally own an HDTV, let alone anything that would allow for stereoscopic 3D media to be perused.

#17 Posted by Crixaliz (782 posts) -

I tried Black Ops in 3D very recently.
I terms of online, my accuracy dropped but no other major changes in performance.
In the campaign thou I had alot of trouble telling who was on my team or the enemy. The multiplayer maps are bright so that wasn't an issue. I even started using a shotgun so I could get closer and wouldn't constantly shoot my team (even then I relied on the name pop-ups), that was not fun.

#18 Edited by gike987 (1720 posts) -

I have never tried the new 3d, only anaglyph with Nvidia drivers. From my experience most first person shooters are terrible in 3D, but games like Batman: Arkham asylum and some racing games works pretty well. Video effect like Depth of field needs to be turned off for 3D to work properly. HUD rarely works well in 3D so the best games to play in 3D are games with no HUD, or games like Dead space were the UI is integrated in to the environment. 
 
For 3D to work well you have to design the whole game with 3D in mind, something no developer have done.

#19 Posted by Patman99 (1543 posts) -

I have tried 3D gaming at my friends, and although I think it looks pretty cool, I do much worse. I seem to always get distracted by all the shit flying at my face that I die. The worst is when there is a 3D effect when you take damage in FPS games. A perfect example is Killzone 3 in 3D. 
 
 
I tend to also get dizzy sometimes when playing a fast paced game in 3D. I dont normally get dizzy playing regular 2D games... Has anyone else noticed this?

#20 Posted by MrKlorox (11185 posts) -
@Jeff:
Do you think it could be due to extra fatigue caused by 3D? Games with depth based movement (like shooters or racers) seem like there's a lot more for your brain to process than with games that have movement on a 2D plane (such as side scrollers or top down games). I only have anaglyph glasses and an nvidia card, so my 3D gaming repertoire isn't very extensive.
 
What was the term you guys decided on for the phenomenon of finally and easily being able to do something after sleeping, that was causing you a lot of trouble before?
#21 Posted by Doctorchimp (4063 posts) -
@Recostar: 
 
I'm sorry but what jumped out at you that he was playing a 3DS game?
 
Jeff has a 3DTV and has been playing 3D games on it with his PS3...they were all shit.
 
My friend has a NVidia 3D set-up that came with his PC last Christmas, it is also shit...
 
They aren't fixing anything...
#22 Posted by Jimbo (9708 posts) -

In the land of 3D, the one-eyed man is king.

#23 Posted by Red12b (9044 posts) -
@Jimbo said:
" In the land of 3D, the one-eyed man is king. "
haha
#24 Posted by DG991 (1344 posts) -
@Jeff: I think the obvious answer is no, and what makes you even ask the question in the first place? To prove a point? 
Because I can't think of a single thing 3d does to help improve skill in any game. It's only purpose is immersion and honestly I feel like it doesn't even do that right. 
 
I admit I am a 3d hater though :( 
 
Keep up the good work Jeff, I look forward to the 3ds game reviews. 
#25 Posted by onarum (1945 posts) -

Of course it won't improve one's skills, it's just a useless gimmick

#26 Posted by Fripplebubby (1027 posts) -

Constantly vomiting does not add to my gaming skill, no. 

#27 Edited by cyraxible (680 posts) -

My only real experience gaming with 3D is at PAX Prime 2010 I got to play Dead Rising 2 with the 3D turned on. The visual effects were novel but it didn't add anything of merit to my gameplay experience. I don't think it affected my ability to play the game but I didn't want to continue playing it because of the strain on my eyes. 

#28 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@craigbo180 said:
" I've never played a video game in 3D... "
yup. and i dont think i'd enjoy it really..
#29 Edited by Slaker117 (4835 posts) -

Is there even anything that 3D would help you do in game? I've never played a game in 3D, but it doesn't seem like there is really anything it could add that is useful. At least not for games designed to be seen in 2D.

#30 Posted by GunnBjorn (2911 posts) -
@Jimbo said:

"In the land of 3D, the one-eyed man is king. "


With just one eye you've got no perception of depth. You need stereoscopic vision to perceive 3D.
   
#31 Edited by Three0neFive (2274 posts) -

Not at all. I've played a fair amount of BC2 (and other games) on a friend's 3D Vision kit - at least, enough to realize that aside from making every game look like Paper Mario, 3D doesn't really do anything.
 
@GunnBjorn said:

" @Jimbo said:

"In the land of 3D, the one-eyed man is king. "

With just one eye you've got no perception of depth. You need stereoscopic vision to perceive 3D.    "

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#32 Edited by MrKlorox (11185 posts) -

What about ones that require lead shooting such as flight games? The only game I've played in 3D that requires lead shooting is Mount and Blade, and I noticed I was able to score more hits with arrows and thrown weapons than normal. Too bad the one-frame right eye delay ruins nvidia 3D for me, as if the anaglyph colors weren't bad enough.
 
Or what about Pilotwings? Is lining up rings any easier? I always had that problem on N64 and ever since in open games where you have to fly through rings (San Andreas, ARMA 2 tutorials, etc...)

#33 Posted by Recostar (115 posts) -
@Doctorchimp:   
On the PC, for most games,  your able to adjust the Convergence and not just the depth. This is were people are having problems when gaming in 3D. Once your used to adjusting your convergence to how you like it , that's when your able to just sit back and enjoy the game. Having a Convergence set  to high means  head aches and not being able to line up your enemy's down your site. 
#34 Posted by Lukeweizer (2508 posts) -

I'm far to scared to try 3D. 3D movies just give me a headache. And I wear prescription glasses already, so piling another pair of 3D glasses on my face isn't the most comfortable thing.

#35 Edited by Recostar (115 posts) -
@Doctorchimp said:

" @Recostar:   I'm sorry but what jumped out at you that he was playing a 3DS game?  Jeff has a 3DTV and has been playing 3D games on it with his PS3...they were all shit.  My friend has a NVidia 3D set-up that came with his PC last Christmas, it is also shit...  They aren't fixing anything... "

 Sry , if I miss understood , I'm not sure why I though he was playing on the 3DS .
 
 Nvidia is doing everything they can to fix any and all  3D anomalys associated to there 3D Vission , and they have done a great job at doing it. For the PC it's sometimes  up to the game developers to get involved to fix problems, as it might not be a driver issue . This also goes for the consoles too. When Jeff is playing  an FPS game in 3D on his PS3, it's up to the developers to make sure the game is able to produce a 3D effect that doesn't hinder the persons  skill in the game. I have been playing and reviewing games in 3D for some time and can tell you that you shouldn't instatntly blame 3D. It's up to the developers to deliver it  a way that the player can enjoy the 3D effect and  not have there skill hindered.  Play Metro 2033 in 3D on Nvidias 3D vision and tell me that it's not amazing, or left 4 dead.     Those games I play better in 3D then 2D because the added depth pulls me into the game heightening my senses and and allows me to have a better understanding of  my distance to  enemy's.
#37 Posted by TooWalrus (12972 posts) -

I still haven't had a chance to play any games in 3D- but I did watch a tennis match in 3D at a Bestbuy, and now my elbow hurts. 

#38 Posted by GunnBjorn (2911 posts) -
@drag: 
@Three0neFive: 

 
Forgive my pea-sized brain, please. I'm Dutch. English isn't my first language. I took it too seriously. I do beg your pardon.
#39 Posted by Zabant (1223 posts) -

Might be a case of them having to perfect it.
Avatar in 3d gave me terrible headaches while saw 3D was a comfortable experience. 
 
It might even be a case of us having to get used to it with our archaic 2d configured brains, like how people new to video games cant move two anolog sticks at the same time. My nephew might be getting his first game console soon; a 3ds. Will be interesting to see if he takes to it better than us with our years of playing in 2D.

#40 Posted by xyzygy (9617 posts) -

... wait, 3D is meant to make you play better?

#41 Posted by BraveFart (298 posts) -

Three times the dumbness.

#42 Edited by Contro (2040 posts) -
@Jeff:  
 
If it's Crysis 2 you're playing: Perhaps your colour blindness is impairing the effect and advantage for you?
 
If it's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 3D your playing: It's a lazily developed game with cumbersome controls and very few redeeming qualities.. It's a bad reflection of what's possible in the FPS genre on 3DS. A good FPS on 3DS will be one that has been designed from the ground up to display in 3D, and have core gameplay mechanics which utilize the ability, A remake will rarely offer that. 
 
Amazingly, on the flip-side, HVS's Conduit 2 on 3DS looks surprisingly good.      
#43 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

Simply put, no.  Right now, 3D is mainly cosmetic in focus because it's not the base standard.  My simplest analogy why 3D won't help many people is that it's like giving everyone a pair of glasses with the one lens type.  Some people will see more clearly but a great many will see less clearly.  Until 3D can be quickly and effectively tuned to each individual's eyesight it will only hamper most people's aim.

#44 Posted by iPhone_Tyler (136 posts) -

I love 3D in games and movies but it's not doing anyone any favors... The crosstalk, darker image and general 30 frame per second cap (on consoles at least) are major disadvantages. 
 
  

#45 Posted by Kjellm87 (1728 posts) -

To be honest I'm not all that excited about the 3D,  
it has upcoming games I want and seems like a nice handheld overall.

#46 Posted by christ0phe (951 posts) -

3D is just another thing that guys in suits thought would be a good idea.   It's a gimmick that hopefully will go away very soon, because it detracts from almost every medium it is used with.

#47 Posted by clydebink (9 posts) -

The 3D in Zen Pinball 2 is definitely worth checking out. It's the first implementation I've seen that doesn't feel novel. I play in "View 1" which is a static camera. The table transforms from a squished square to a full rectangular playfield. Some of the 2D tables now seem incredibly distorted to me; the Hulk table, Moon Knight, and Thor seem the most noticeable. Oddly the 3D doesn't seem to improve the Blade table, but the Spiderman, Infinity Gauntlet, Fear Itself, Tesla, and Ninja Gaiden tables are drastically improved.

To answer the original question, "Yes, the 3D support on Zen Pinball has certainly improved my skill. My estimations for speed of the ball were confused at first, but now the ball speed appears to be consistent since the perspective includes depth perception."

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