its official Makoto is the most UnderPowered character?
 
she supose to get close to oponent and win as fast as posible right? but wouldnt zangief be better on that?
 
i tried cpu vs cpu Zangief vs. Makoto, max round, no-time-limit, hardest difficulty setting and makoto zero round win! yeah not even 1 round of win! so i hit the rematch and same result! wtf Makoto?????
 
when i was playing Makoto i find myself difficult to play her. always lose online with her. i thought im just suck but i am suck but still i try other characters and i have a chance of win but with Makoto always lose. cpu vs. cpu backed me up that the theory of Makoto is the most UnderPowered character in Super Street Fighter 4.
 
who can confirm?
 
 
 
oh and i think im not the only one that says so. i think i saw someone on youyube say the same too that Makoto is the most UnderPowered character.
 
but still i want confirmation if she really is.

I'm not very good with Makoto, but I have been absolutely destroyed by Makoto users. In the right hands no character is underpowered. 

Makoto is deadly in the right hands. Unfortunately, those hands aren't found yet. The trick to using Makoto is learning to FADC out of dash punches at any moment to follow up with a cross-up reset or hard knockdown. But I do agree that she has a tough fight against grapplers.

i mean its true that its all about the user, the pilot and not the character. a god user can make any character win but lets take the user out of this and focus on pure character.
 
I am a noob and i am very suck in sf im not gonna lie. but when playing with Makoto i have the hardest time trying to win.
 
 
no such thing as underpowered character, no such thing as whos the suckest character but that only implies to user, pilot. take out the user, pilot and the suckest character exist.
 
 
 
 
@newmon 
yeah she seems to suck at grapplers. but i just tried ryu to be her oponent on cpu v.s cpu...... major pwnage! makoto zero win! both zangief and ryu kick her ass.
 
 
 
i think they need to tweak her. her moveset seems fine. just raise her damage up a little. raise the flash punch damage.

CPU will never have the instinct and mind games in makato's arsenal that humans can utilize.

I haven't played Super Street Fighter IV, but if she's worse than Dan and Gen, she's gotta be pretty damn terrible.

" I haven't played Super Street Fighter IV, but if she's worse than Dan and Gen, she's gotta be pretty damn terrible. "

Well I guess it's official then :)

CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is. 
 
I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out. 
 
All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be.

O RuEALLY

While I personally think that Makoto is absolute garbage, Evo's Adon this year proved to us that characters most of us take for granted can end up doing spectacular things.

" CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is.  I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out.  All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be. "

" @Viney212 said:

" CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is.  I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out.  All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be. "

have a non-gamer like nicolas cage or 9 year old to play super sf4. preserve them on which character they most suck at. it will be Makoto. any noobs can play ryu/ken easily.  or have a super noob like me play super sf4 and the character i/they most suck at will be Makoto. "

" @AnnouncerGXZ said:

" @Viney212 said:

" CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is.  I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out.  All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be. "

have a non-gamer like nicolas cage or 9 year old to play super sf4. preserve them on which character they most suck at. it will be Makoto. any noobs can play ryu/ken easily.  or have a super noob like me play super sf4 and the character i/they most suck at will be Makoto. "

I not saying anything about Makoto.  For all I know she very well could be the worst character.  I don't know.  I'm just saying that setting up CPU battles to justify your point doesn't really prove anything.  Everyone already knows that the AI in this game isn't anything to write home about. "

Well, your right. If you can't play her, and some guy on youtube might have once said she was underpowered, she must be complete trash.
 
 
My own opinion, though: I imagine she might struggle against people who know the match-up, but, as someone who doesn't, I have been absolutely humiliated by some good Makoto players.

" @Viney212 said:

" @AnnouncerGXZ said:

" @Viney212 said:

" CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is.  I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out.  All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be. "

have a non-gamer like nicolas cage or 9 year old to play super sf4. preserve them on which character they most suck at. it will be Makoto. any noobs can play ryu/ken easily.  or have a super noob like me play super sf4 and the character i/they most suck at will be Makoto. "

I not saying anything about Makoto.  For all I know she very well could be the worst character.  I don't know.  I'm just saying that setting up CPU battles to justify your point doesn't really prove anything.  Everyone already knows that the AI in this game isn't anything to write home about. "

and im not just going by cpu vs cpu. im one of the suckiest on super sf4. i play online with every character. i have more chance of winning with ken, ryu, juri, cammy, zangief, sagat, adon. but with makoto i have zero chance, i mean 4% of 96% i will win. this fact combine with cpu vs cpu... shows the same result. it is safe to conclude that Makoto is the most underpowered characte rin super sf4 outside of user,pilot. "

I feel like this thread is going around in circles...

" @AnnouncerGXZ said:

" @Viney212 said:

" @AnnouncerGXZ said:

" @Viney212 said:

" CPU vs. CPU really doesn't prove anything at all other than how the AI was programmed to perform, which also really doesn't prove anything along the lines of how under/overpowered a character is.  I would guess it's still to early to understand just how good some characters can really be in the right hands, but if it was as easy as throwing CPU characters at each other to figure out the best tactics, we'd already have figured everything out.  All you're showing is how good/bad the AI handles specific matchups, which really doesn't say anything about how good any given character can really be. "

have a non-gamer like nicolas cage or 9 year old to play super sf4. preserve them on which character they most suck at. it will be Makoto. any noobs can play ryu/ken easily.  or have a super noob like me play super sf4 and the character i/they most suck at will be Makoto. "

I not saying anything about Makoto.  For all I know she very well could be the worst character.  I don't know.  I'm just saying that setting up CPU battles to justify your point doesn't really prove anything.  Everyone already knows that the AI in this game isn't anything to write home about. "

and im not just going by cpu vs cpu. im one of the suckiest on super sf4. i play online with every character. i have more chance of winning with ken, ryu, juri, cammy, zangief, sagat, adon. but with makoto i have zero chance, i mean 4% of 96% i will win. this fact combine with cpu vs cpu... shows the same result. it is safe to conclude that Makoto is the most underpowered characte rin super sf4 outside of user,pilot. "

Because Makoto takes more dedication than those characters(except maybe Adon). She may be the "suckiest" character, but that's really only because she has a longer learning curve than others. Noone is going to pick her up and mash victories online like you can with Ryu or Ken. You need to put in a lot of dedication and work to be good with Makoto, but if you like Makoto as a character then it is well worth it. "

then its official that you agreed with my theory i assumed. yes any character can be good if the user learn them. fact. true true. but outside of learning, she suckiest character.  i do like her as a character but playing her is holding me back cause she most difficult character to play. im just gonna bail her out. if i want to admire her, i can. but using her probly not or not much.   i think i have fettish for tomboys. "

This thread is full of dumb.

" @AnnouncerGXZ said: 

then its official that you agreed with my theory i assumed. yes any character can be good if the user learn them. fact. true true. but outside of learning, she suckiest character.  i do like her as a character but playing her is holding me back cause she most difficult character to play. im just gonna bail her out. if i want to admire her, i can. but using her probly not or not much.   i think i have fettish for tomboys. "

No character is sucky, only harder to learn. Also, your thread title is quite misleading. It's nowhere near "official" because you played 3 CPU matches with her. "

"i think i have fettish for tomboys"

Dan just beat Rufus 2-0 in Cpu vs Cpu so thats means rufus sucks and is underpowered right?

" Dan just beat Rufus 2-0 in Cpu vs Cpu so thats means rufus sucks and is underpowered right? "

Some people should not be handed a keyboard.
And yes, Makoto can be pretty weak in SSF4, compared to 3S.

" @Gambit said:

" Dan just beat Rufus 2-0 in Cpu vs Cpu so thats means rufus sucks and is underpowered right? "

Yes. Rufus needs a buff because CPU Dan can beat him. "

No, Makoto is not underpowered. :D 
 
I guess like what others' are saying is that Makoto can be really dangerous when used by a really good player.  I use Makoto, I can't say I win all the time with her, but I do win in ranked matches, even in endless battles with the PS3 people.  But in my opinion, she is difficult to learn and that what makes it fun for me to use her in matches, the challenge.  There were even times in ranked matches that my opponent would turtle coz they did not know how to fight Makoto; thus, I catch them off guard with karakusas linked with HP+hayate or when given a fair distance, the quick EX hayate surprises most of them.  I guess my point is, tier lists don't actually justify how bad the character is.  Adon was presumed originally to be a sucky character, but look at what Gamerbee showed in EVO, Adon kicked ass.

guess my sarcasm didn't come off in that post. Was trying to show that using Cpu vs Cpu as a point in claiming a character is good or bad is fucking retarded.

Lol thread. Makato isn't that bad. Someone will firgure out how to play her and she'll be flying up the tier list just like with Adon (and to a lesser extent NinjaCW at devestation.) The CPU is horrible. Zangief could just be a bad match up? Just no dude...

im a noob and i can play adon fine. his moves is fly all over the screen. i play easily with him. i can win plenty. how can someone say adon suck? when playing Makoto no chance of winning. i have no knowlege of ffce, ex, combos and all that but i play every character fine but with Makoto is just no chance.

" im a noob and i can play adon fine. his moves is fly all over the screen. i play easily with him. i can win plenty. how can someone say adon suck? when playing Makoto no chance of winning. i have no knowlege of ffce, ex, combos and all that but i play every character fine but with Makoto is just no chance. "

Please save us Loltima

Lmao this is the stupidest thread on this forum.

The grammar you use in this posts is funny as hell.

BROKEN ENGRISH. AWESOME.

I'll just say that generally updates that nerf or buff should be kept at a minimum. 
Most people don't play the game at a skill-level where tiers matter - just focus on characters that are easier to master. 
 
I'm not that good a player, but I tend to be terrified if an online opponent pick a 'hard to master'-character like Mokoto or Gen. 
I figure that people that play them differently know what they're doing :-)

*shrugs* For what it's worth there is/was a video on youtube that featured some of the top players from Japan and they were asked who was the weakest (or their least favourite or something along those lines) character and they pretty much all unanimously said Hakan. Now the video was done a while ago when the game was still pretty darn new (it still is) so clearly things could have changed from back then to now, but whatever.

" guess my sarcasm didn't come off in that post. Was trying to show that using Cpu vs Cpu as a point in claiming a character is good or bad is fucking retarded. "

" *shrugs* For what it's worth there is/was a video on youtube that featured some of the top players from Japan and they were asked who was the weakest (or their least favourite or something along those lines) character and they pretty much all unanimously said Hakan. Now the video was done a while ago when the game was still pretty darn new (it still is) so clearly things could have changed from back then to now, but whatever. "

  Damn, this one is a great Makoto fight against Vega.  Found this while checking out StaticFalconar's posted youtube vid and I saw this vid in the related vids hehe! 

Makoto dies pretty hard to focus fishing from a certain range.

TOKIDO THE ICEMAN SAYS HAKAN IS THE WORST CHARACTER, SO YOU'RE WRONG.

I honestly dont think the "worst character in the game" or even the "best character in the game" exists. Once you get to a certain skill level it has nothing to do with character and everything to do with the human brain. Its all about making the right decisions. If you take execution out of the equation, the person who understands the characters being used, their opponent, and the particulars of the game the most should win every match. Once you get to a certain level its all in your head. The "better" characters just have more ways of punishing and fooling opponents than "weaker" characters do.

" @AnnouncerGXZ: I only have this to say before your dumb ass thread gets rightfully locked. 
 
 
  

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