Is the "Random PC Game" feature subscriber-only?

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#1 Edited by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

It says so in the video's title, but it doesn't make sense to me, that's why i'm making sure..

Are they really disallowing regular members to view their fun new retro video feature?

#2 Posted by BeachThunder (11636 posts) -

Yes. Well, it doesn't matter for you since you're a subscriber now :o

#3 Posted by DeeGee (2113 posts) -

Yes. Yes they are disallowing regular members to view their new fun retro video. Subscribers get subscriber videos.

#4 Posted by Simplexity (1382 posts) -

Also when armageddon hits only subscribers will be allowed to board the Giant Bomb spaceship.

#5 Posted by Hizang (8534 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

It says that in the title, but it doesn't make sense to me, that's why i'm making sure..

What you said makes no sense.

#6 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

@DeeGee said:

Yes. Yes they are disallowing regular members to view their new fun retro video. Subscribers get subscriber videos.

Woah.. so this is Giant Bomb now? If this got categorized as a "subscriber video", a totally random and funny old-game let's-play feature, then I don't see what would stop them from categorizing any other kind of video as "subs only". This is kinda gross

@Hizang said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

It says that in the title, but it doesn't make sense to me, that's why i'm making sure..

What you said makes no sense.

Ah, now that I look at it, you're right, I replaced 'that' with 'so' ;p

#7 Posted by KarlPilkington (2676 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic: Well they wanted subscribers to get more features, how else are they going to provide more exclusive content?

#8 Posted by BulletproofMonk (2717 posts) -

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

#9 Posted by Subject2Change (2966 posts) -

I wouldn't of done the way they are doing. They should of atleast tease those that haven;t subbed yet. Make it known that the first video will be public but future will be sub only. I really want to see it but not knowing what they are going to do with the next batch of yearly i'll wait til then, especially if they might have different levels.

#10 Posted by DocPorpoise (104 posts) -

How does it not make sense? They've said they're trying new stuff for subscribers. Two hours of Vinny and Dave messing around with an old game while they wait for other stuff to render, compress or whatever sounds like a nice members only bonus video to me.

#11 Posted by DeeGee (2113 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic: They've always said that subscribers would get subscriber videos. And you said it yourself, a totally random and funny video of an old game. It's not a new game, they don't need to cover it, they don't need to waste any of their time with it, it's not a thing they need to do. So it makes perfect sense to make it subscriber only.

The news, reviews, the bombcast, the quick looks and such of new games are what majority of people come here for. If people care enough about the site to watch an engineer and a video producer play the tutorial of a 15 year old game, they're probably already a subscriber.

#12 Posted by Pazy (2559 posts) -

Sadly it is Subscriber only, I want to watch it but they wont let me give them my money :P

#13 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

#14 Posted by FritzDude (2249 posts) -

I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they don't, let me repeat that, DO NOT block out regular members with the upcoming Endurance Run and Quick Looks.

#15 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

I'd rather watch ads before a video. I watch a bunch of AVGN vids on the guy's website and have to sit through 30 second ads and have dating ads or whatever on his site but I don't care as long as it pays his bills and allows me to enjoy content for free. 
 
If non-subscribers had to watch 5 vids each with 30 second ads before them while the paid subs got to watch it all in 1 vid in HD I'd be totally happy with that. It's fair. 

#16 Posted by Vinny_Says (5681 posts) -

@FritzDude said:

I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they don't, let me repeat that, DO NOT block out regular members with the upcoming Endurance Run and Quick Looks.

Pretty sure they said the new ER would be for subs only

#17 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19305 posts) -
@Vinny_Says said:

@FritzDude said:

I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they don't, let me repeat that, DO NOT block out regular members with the upcoming Endurance Run and Quick Looks.

Pretty sure they said the new ER would be for subs only

No, they didn't. But I'd want the ER to be subscriber only and I'm glad that they made their first "RPG" video exclusive to subscribers. 
 
I want to get a subscription but, much like the 3DS, I just don't see the value. If they start doing more of these new subscriber-only videos, I'll subscribe.
#18 Posted by Wacomole (815 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

I wouldn't feel bad about it at all, as it's not in my nature to get that upset about people running their own site the way they see fit, especially as I would know exactly what to do if I really, really wanted to view that content. (i.e. subscribe)

As to your second point. This is, I feel, absolutely no different to them making Happy Hours subscriber only. They were also exclusive to Subscribers and apparently "a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy"

When all is said and done, we pretty much all trust the guys at Giant Bomb to do The Right Thing when it comes to the people who come to their site and we've been around long enough to know the ethos of the staff is not one of "money-grabbing at all costs".

Basically, chill out a bit - it's not as if they've suddenly slapped a pay-gate on all the Quick Looks, Bombcasts and Endurance Runs!

#19 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -
@KarlPilkington said:

@AhmadMetallic: Well they wanted subscribers to get more features, how else are they going to provide more exclusive content?

If they don't know, why should we?
 
This is more a solution to a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place. Frankly they would probably make more money if they just asked for donations and had an actual store rather than trying to find some way to provide a service beyond their free content, which is the best part of the site anyway.
#20 Edited by ShaneDev (1696 posts) -

This thread seems like it was designed for trolling and a place to stir up the pointless debate that raged in the actual comments section of the video. You cannot possibly be that clueless and I hope this gets locked. They made a video that was subscriber only the same as the SNES party stuff and the happy hour. Whats the big deal? No one complained about the SNES party and it was only about five or six ridiculously over the top people that complained about the new video. If you want to watch the video pay them the money, it is actually that simple. The only complaint I had was the video not having a label telling me it was for subscribers only to save me clicking on it and they fix that fairly quickly.

#21 Posted by WinterSnowblind (7613 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@DeeGee said:

Yes. Yes they are disallowing regular members to view their new fun retro video. Subscribers get subscriber videos.

Woah.. so this is Giant Bomb now? If this got categorized as a "subscriber video", a totally random and funny old-game let's-play feature, then I don't see what would stop them from categorizing any other kind of video as "subs only". This is kinda gross

Seems reasonable. Instead of a regular happy hour, they're doing more junk like randomly playing old games.

As long as quick looks and such are available for everyone, I think we're fine.

#22 Posted by Zor (653 posts) -

:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 

#23 Posted by onarum (1989 posts) -
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only, quick looks in the other hand will always remain free.
 
As for the new random thing being sub only I haven't got a problem with that, they really need to add more content for subscribers and I think this is a reasonable way to do that.
#24 Posted by ikwal (225 posts) -

It's a strange time we live in, when people feel like they are entitled to get everything for free. People get upset and act like they've been robbed of something that was theirs.

#25 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.
#26 Posted by onarum (1989 posts) -
@CL60 said:
@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.
IDK, ER's take a whole lot of time to shoot, edit and upload, it's an awful lot of work to do for free, especially if you desperately need to add exclusive content for subscribers, which they do.
#27 Posted by Animasta (14633 posts) -

@CL60 said:

@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site.
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.

of course, there's always the possibility that they stagger the videos a week or something.

#28 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19305 posts) -
@CL60 said:
@onarum said: 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.
Not quite. The difference is that the Bombcast is a regular feature. We've only ever had 2 Endurance Runs, so you can't really say making a 3rd subscriber-exclusive would be taking away content from non-subscribers, especially since they might not even have considered making another ER without making it only for subscribers.
#29 Posted by EuanDewar (4686 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

It's called incentive dawg.

#30 Posted by Matoya (416 posts) -

@onarum said:

@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site.
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only, quick looks in the other hand will always remain free. As for the new random thing being sub only I haven't got a problem with that, they really need to add more content for subscribers and I think this is a reasonable way to do that.

Oh fuck you. Where do people like you even pull these RIDICULOUS NUMBERS from? It's been documented several times that it's one of their highest trafficked video series, so I sincerely doubt that they'll make it subscriber only. Stop trying to blow things out of proportion, Jesus.

As for the OP, this entire thread in itself is a bit stupid. I don't understand why you ask "Is it sub only" when moments later you say "Yes it is". As if (SUBSCRIBER) next to it wasn't already enough?

It was something they did completely impromptu, when they shouldn't have even been working. They've talked about doing this kind of thing as a feature for subs for some time now. You can't just say "Oh how is this a sub feature" at every single thing they make sub only, because then why would they bother doing it?

Think before you post.

#31 Posted by CL60 (16906 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
@CL60 said:
@onarum said: 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.
Not quite. The difference is that the Bombcast is a regular feature. We've only ever had 2 Endurance Runs, so you can't really say making a 3rd subscriber-exclusive would be taking away content from non-subscribers, especially since they might not even have considered making another ER without making it only for subscribers.
Just because it's not a regular feature doesn't make it any different.. subscriber or not, they said they would never take content away, simple as that. If they made the ER subscriber only they would be going against that. 
#32 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@onarum said:
@CL60 said:
@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only
Doubtful. Because there'd be huge backlash considering they've said they would NEVER take something away and turn it into a pay feature. It'd be like the Bombcast fiasco all over again.
IDK, ER's take a whole lot of time to shoot, edit and upload, it's an awful lot of work to do for free, especially if you desperately need to add exclusive content for subscribers, which they do.
Videos don't need much editing. Maybe a conversion to a different format. As far as the time to shoot, most of the time it's during their work hours.
#33 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19305 posts) -
@CL60 said: 
Just because it's not a regular feature doesn't make it any different.. subscriber or not, they said they would never take content away, simple as that. If they made the ER subscriber only they would be going against that. 
They also said they were never going to do an Endurance Run again and yet...
#34 Posted by ch13696 (4582 posts) -
@FluxWaveZ said:
@CL60 said: 
Just because it's not a regular feature doesn't make it any different.. subscriber or not, they said they would never take content away, simple as that. If they made the ER subscriber only they would be going against that. 
They also said they were never going to do an Endurance Run again and yet...
Welcome to Giant Bomb. Where they take away what everyone wants and only the subscribers opinion matters.
#35 Edited by Mikemcn (6936 posts) -

Yep, ISN'T IT FANTASTIC!

and I have a feeling the GB crew can't start anything subscriber only without people saying its gross. They aren't taking anything away, its not even technically an endurance run, they wanted a new feature to attract subscribers that they wouldn't have created otherwise.

@ch13696 said:

@FluxWaveZ said:
@CL60 said:
Just because it's not a regular feature doesn't make it any different.. subscriber or not, they said they would never take content away, simple as that. If they made the ER subscriber only they would be going against that.
They also said they were never going to do an Endurance Run again and yet...
Welcome to Giant Bomb. Where they take away what everyone wants and only the subscribers opinion matters.

They haven't taken anything from you, you are making a false statement, lieing on the internet should get old at some point, shouldn't it?

#36 Posted by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

@Mikemcn said:

Yep, ISN'T IT FANTASTIC!

and I have a feeling the GB crew can't start anything subscriber only without people saying its gross.

I personally am totally fine with the HD downloads and theater mode and the special store offers and happy hour, etc... Those are all premium additions/extras/specials that premiums should get for paying

but making a video-game-related video on this video game website exclusive to subs? come on.

#37 Posted by KarlPilkington (2676 posts) -

@ch13696 said:

@FluxWaveZ said:
@CL60 said:
Just because it's not a regular feature doesn't make it any different.. subscriber or not, they said they would never take content away, simple as that. If they made the ER subscriber only they would be going against that.
They also said they were never going to do an Endurance Run again and yet...
Welcome to Giant Bomb. Where they take away what everyone wants and only the subscribers opinion matters.

What has been taken away?

#38 Edited by onarum (1989 posts) -
@Matoya: whoa, buthurt much? chillout man I'm not trying to "blow things out of proportion", I'm just saying what I truly believe will happen, and imo it's in their full right to make ERs and whatever the hell else they want sub only.
#39 Posted by MattyFTM (14328 posts) -

Yes it is. Dave explained why in the video comments:

This is not regular content. This is two workaholics stuck at the office on a holiday weekend trying to mess around with an extremely ancient and difficult PC game with a live audience of people that pay our bills. It, like most anything we do beyond the scope of our normal day-to-day work, is us trying to think of ways to thank a minority audience who can fathom what it must be like to compete against mainstream Internet media with a mere basement of talented people. There are 2000 non-trailer videos on Giant Bomb. This is number 71 of subscriber only ones.
We will continue to do fun, random things for our paying members when we have time for it.
Moderator Online
#40 Posted by Bobstar (310 posts) -
@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only, quick looks in the other hand will always remain free.  
They already said that they won't take existing features and make it subs only.
#41 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -

If they make Endurance Runs subscriber-only, I'll just spend five dollars every month mailing Giant Bomb a picture of me laughing instead.

#42 Posted by Lunar_Aura (2779 posts) -

That video was really cool and made me happy to be a subscriber. Yeah I kinda think it sucks that it's sub only but maybe they can consider it to be a timed exclusive or something, I dunno.

#43 Posted by onarum (1989 posts) -
@Bobstar said:
@onarum said:
@Zor said:
:( my inability to see this video makes me sad. But they have to do what they need to do in order to make more money. Right now it isn't a problem, but if a lot (quick looks, ER (if those ever come back), etc...) more content goes this way, i'll prolly just go to another site. 
Yeah well, the new ER is 99% sure to be sub only, quick looks in the other hand will always remain free.  
They already said that they won't take existing features and make it subs only.
Yes, and I'm sure that IF they do make future ER(s) sub only the existing ones will still be watchable by all.
#44 Edited by BulletproofMonk (2717 posts) -

Giving subscribers more value for their money is completely reasonable.

#45 Posted by SeriouslyNow (8534 posts) -

@AhmadMetallic said:

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

I would think that any long term member who has enjoyed so much of the site's content that they refer to Dave and Vinny as beloved would want to subscribe to pay for future endeavours and wouldn't be a cheap-arse seflish shit-eating cuntrag with a false sense of entitlement. But that's just me.

#46 Posted by Matoya (416 posts) -

@onarum said:

@Matoya: whoa, buthurt much? chillout man I'm not trying to "blow things out of proportion", I'm just saying what I truly believe will happen, and imo it's in their full right to make ERs and whatever the hell else they want sub only.

How is that butthurt at all? I have a subscription. Stop throwing buzzwords around because you think you're right

#47 Posted by prestonhedges (1965 posts) -
@SeriouslyNow said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

I would think that any long term member who has enjoyed so much of the site's content that they refer to Dave and Vinny as beloved would want to subscribe to pay for future endeavours and wouldn't be a cheap-arse seflish shit-eating cuntrag with a false sense of entitlement. But that's just me.

We're in charge of Giant Bomb's payroll now? Man, they're worse off than anyone thought.
#48 Edited by Metal_Mills (2980 posts) -

@BulletproofMonk said:

Giving subscribers more value for their money is completely reasonable.

No it's not. See, the people who don't subscribe have said they don't because there isn't enough content. So they ask what content people want and they say more Dave/Vinn PC stuff. So Dave and Vinny take a chunk out of their weekend to give that content. Now those same non-subscribers are complaining because now there is actually content worth paying for but they are still too damn cheap and stingy to spend $5 a month and expect it to be free. Can't you see how GB is being so unethical and ripping us off?!

To everyone whinging that it's members only, as Ryan would so elegantly put it "fuck you".

#49 Edited by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -

@SeriouslyNow said:

@AhmadMetallic said:

@BulletproofMonk said:

You sure like to blow things out of proportion, Ahmad.

That sometimes is true, I know ;p But if you were a long-time regular who isn't subscribed, and you learned that our beloved Dave and Vinny are doing a new funny lets-play kind of video feature of good old school PC games, and you couldn't watch it, you'd feel shitty wouldn't you?

Premium membership on any website or service gives you better extra stuff, more options and "the whole cake", It gives you the better version and more of it, not exclusivity to a sort of thing that everyone would love to see and enjoy.

I would think that any long term member who has enjoyed so much of the site's content that they refer to Dave and Vinny as beloved would want to subscribe to pay for future endeavours and wouldn't be a cheap-arse seflish shit-eating cuntrag with a false sense of entitlement. But that's just me.

There's a difference between being entitled, and feeling deprived of the reason you visit this website: video-game-related videos by the staff we all love. Entitled people who think this website and all the work and effort that go into it should be 100% for free are assholes who don't deserve attention. Money is needed, and premium membership pays the bills. Those who do subscribe are good supportive people, so give them the world, they deserve it, but that world shouldn't include the thing we're all here to see and discuss on the forums and enjoy together.

Like i said, all kinds of extras and specials and better options and interfaces and editors, but not the video-game content.

#50 Posted by DexterKid (667 posts) -

Not that I really care or anything, but just to make things clear for those people who keep saying the ER will be subscriber-only:

The reason they can make this Daggerfall thing a subscriber feature is because it is an old ass and FREE to download game. They cannot put up footage of a recent game (that is still sold in stores) behind a pay wall, otherwise they'll get sued by the publisher.

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