New edit (09/10/2008):

TGS gameplay videos from IGN.

It's looking pretty damn good in my opinion, considering the Tenchu legacy. Nice smooth gameplay, new (?) multiple stealth kills, some decent graphical effects like the water reflections and distortions, etc.

god damn when did Tenchu become the new Dynasty Warriors?

I don't see what looks like Dynasty Warriors there...

"I don't see what looks like Dynasty Warriors there..."

You're not original (or so smart I guess), you merely appear to have readthat 1Up blog which implies all the Tecmo series will become yearly releases with minor updates like the Dynasty Warriors series.

But, you should know, that blog is purely hypothetical (and hypocritical in my opinion) as it speaks of FUTURE titles, IF the Koei merger happens, not nearly completed games like Tenchu IV.

More importantly, the gameplay here seems to have the most radical changes implemented ever since the first game. Tenchu was getting pretty shite (see the 360 game) before Acquire was picked up to make this one (they created the first couple of games, and the series). Let's just hope they still have what it takes to make good, if flawed, games. So, yeah, it's pretty baffling to see someone complain about how similar this game is when it's the most different of all the past titles.

I'll merely agree in that I was hoping for a new engine and assets, but From Software have seemingly been using the same resources since the first Playstation game, if with slight updates, always with even the same old flaws, so that's nothing to be surprised about with the Wii version.

Lol ok well, I don't even visit 1UP, if someone shares my view then it obviously is a lot more of a popular opinion than I thought.

I'm just saying it looks pretty much the same as the first game with some minor tweaks, and yes I mean the first game because those graphics look like they belong in a muesum by now. I'm not bashing the Tenchu series, I love it and think it has some great potential, it just needs to be handed over to some people who know how to make games.

Tenchu has not been good for years and while i was a fan of the first 2 im not expecting much from this one

It has been handed over to the original creators, and again, this is the most different game of all the past ones as is evident by the trailer, so it's nothing to be surprised (or accuse it) about as if using the same assets is something new that happens just for the Wii version.

And yeah, I thought you'd say that about 1UP, too bad it's so obvious... But again, it's a hypothetical blog, it doesn't agree with you (again, it speaks for future games, IF the Koei merger happens) so it doesn't reinforce your trolling, you merely obviously took elements of the blog to bash another Wii game with.

That kind of bashing is unfounded when you call it out for being similar to past games, when it's all the past games which have really been TOO similar to each other (and often each sequel was worse) while Tenchu IV seems to actually do heavy changes to the formula. Not graphically perhaps, but at least where it matters more, in the gameplay. If anything, this direction for the series, with actual changes to the formula, should only be welcomed, not bashed. The last few games should have been bashed for it, not this one, where they actually try to do some new things. Unless you want to show the developers changes are bad and they should stop them for the future titles and make another Tenchu Z...

"And yeah, I thought you'd say that about 1Up... But again, it's a hypothetical blog, it doesn't agree with you (again, it speaks for future games, IF the Koei merger happens) so it doesn't reinforce your trolling, you merely obviously took elements of the blog to bash another Wii game with."

Opinions should at the very least be educated guesses, not senseless plagiarised rants. Calling the most radically different game in the whole series "too similar" instead of  welcoming the changes and hoping they will continue to more aspects (like the engine and assets) is silly. It's the first game to do changes, and you condemn it as if it's another Tenchu Z. THAT'S misinformed, but it's easy to do that mistake if you only base your opinion on others'  blogs instead of actual first hand experience, as much as you want to claim you never read that, ha...

And yes, I'm sure you will do that.

"Opinions should at the very least be educated guesses, not senseless plagiarised rants. Calling the most radically different game in the whole series "too similar" instead of  welcoming the changes and hoping they will continue to more aspects (like the engine and assets) is silly. It's the first game to do changes, and you condemn it as if it's another Tenchu Z. THAT'S misinformed, but it's easy to do that mistake if you only base your opinion on others'  blogs instead of actual first hand experience, as much as you want to claim you never read that, ha...

And yes, I'm sure you will do that."

I can read, which is why I know you read that blog... What happened to being done :)

"I can read, which is why I know you read that blog... What happened to being done :)"

Yeah, the series really needs an injection of innovation.

I mean, the first thing I thought when I played Assassin's Creed for the first time was, "Damn, this is what Tenchu ought to play like."

Instead, we get a hokey, tone-breaking ninja game with shit-pits and bottomless holes.  What?

"Al3xand3r said:

"I can read, which is why I know you read that blog... What happened to being done :)"

So, because I share an opinion with someone I must read and follow every action they take? And yeah, I was done but then I realised I didn't want to leave the last word to someone who was talking out of there ass :D"

I think it looks decent, maybe good enough for a rental

"Soap said:

"Al3xand3r said:

"I can read, which is why I know you read that blog... What happened to being done :)"

So, because I share an opinion with someone I must read and follow every action they take? And yeah, I was done but then I realised I didn't want to leave the last word to someone who was talking out of there ass :D"

No, not every action. You did however read that blog. Except you misunderstood its hypothetical point, you see, you don't share an opinion, he merely says the Dynasty Warriors syndrome is what may come to the Tecmo (not Tenchu specifically) series after the Koei merge, you speak as if that's already happened, and you give as an example a game which actually looks updated (if in anything but the visuals, but hey, not every studio has Square's budgets) rather than their previous luckluster efforts which really did change almost nothing. Also, leaving the last word to someone talking out of his ass is exactly what you're trying to do every time you post :)"

Yes, that makes it easier to believe, saying that you haven't even accidentally or casually visited one of the biggest gaming websites out there for so much as an exclusive article, interview, review, video, screenshot, podcast or blog. You'd have to practically avoid it on purpose to manage that as a gamer, and why would you want to avoid it if you hadn't experienced any of it, hmm? Every post you make only makes it even more apparent you did read the blog and try to hide it you know...

As for me being a Tenchu fanboy, I suppose I used to be a fan, up until 3. Then I didn't do anything but merely try the newer parts and given the bad reviews and bad hands on experiences from me which showed the series went nowhere, I never purchased any. This really is a change of direction however, and while it might as well be bad (we can't know 100% until it's released) it  really can't be blamed for sticking to a formula when it does so much to mix it up, regardless of the visuals. Especially not to the extent Dynasty Warriors does it at least, which was what you stated merely to show up as smart for making a fancy comparison plagiarised by a blog, ha... Too bad it was a failure.

you just got served, son

The gunz!!1

How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?

"How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?"

I really do not understand why Wii owners are hyping this. It looks medicore.

Tenchu has always looked mediocre, even the first couple of them on the PS1 looked far inferior to other PS titles, but the playability and feel of the series still was grand. People are hyped for this because after several shit Tenchu titles they have given the franschise back to the original creators (which did the first couple of games) therefor once again playability expectations have risen despite using what seems to be the same engine they have been using since the PS2 (as they did for the 360 also). It's certainly more hopeful to be a good game than Tenchu Z was and the gameplay additions look fitting so far. I really do not understand why people AREN"T hyped for this (unless later reviews prove it's another dud of course) but I suppose even the original titles were of an acquired taste, in touch with the studio's name (Acquire), ha.

Jayge said:

"How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?"

It's a sad day for Tenchu fans everywhere...

Looks viable, gonna a waitfor some more news.

In my opinion, and several other developers', the Wii remote and nunchuck combo feel like a tacked on scheme for action games. The game looks terrible, there hasn't been a standout Tenchu title in a while, and with the trend of most developers on Wii (lazy), this shouldn't be as great as the old ones.

"In my opinion, and several other developers', the Wii remote and nunchuck combo feel like a tacked on scheme for action games. The game looks terrible, there hasn't been a standout Tenchu title in a while, and with the trend of most developers on Wii (lazy), this shouldn't be as great as the old ones."

"Nets said:

"In my opinion, and several other developers', the Wii remote and nunchuck combo feel like a tacked on scheme for action games. The game looks terrible, there hasn't been a standout Tenchu title in a while, and with the trend of most developers on Wii (lazy), this shouldn't be as great as the old ones."

At least it's being made by the original team. They chose Wii, and it's not a minigame collection. I think they're going to put their all into this."

Seems like the camera will be a big problem with the game.

Sigh. In my opinion, the Tenchu franchise needs to die. Let it be known for it's good PS1 Games. If this game turns out to be good, then I'll retract my statement, but it is just not impressive to me based on that trailer.

"Arkthemaniac said:

"Nets said:

"In my opinion, and several other developers', the Wii remote and nunchuck combo feel like a tacked on scheme for action games. The game looks terrible, there hasn't been a standout Tenchu title in a while, and with the trend of most developers on Wii (lazy), this shouldn't be as great as the old ones."

At least it's being made by the original team. They chose Wii, and it's not a minigame collection. I think they're going to put their all into this."

We'll see. I'm highly skeptical as of now."

Tenchu was never impressive and most people's initial reactions were that it's a shoddy game thanks to an awful camera and cumbersome controls, as well as the always shoddy graphics even by PS1 standards. Being the only stealth game other than MGS didn't help its appeal when people saw how blocky everything looked and the view distance was only a few metres ahead of you with everything going pitch black from that point on. Only people who persisted a little more saw the series' charms. It's never been about high production values or anything like that. Sure it would have been nice to have that but if a dodgy engine is all I can have for my Ninja needs, that's all I want. I just hope they decide to give us the level editor which would make it an even easier buy, even make me overlook a potentially dodgy main campaign (but I hope it's actually pretty good) if they make sharing easy like it is for Blast Works or promised for Line Rider 2.

level editor

"Jayge said:

"How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?"

By making it for the wii (grapically worse I mean)

Although they seem to be trying to make improvments. For example I always hated the combat in Tenchu games so now they have a fps view, although it looks like it could turn out like red steel. At least they are going back to the acual characters instead of the lame create a character mode in Tenchu Z."

More powerful hardware allows for so much more sophistication that is absolutely necessary to keep the series alive.

I think someone needs to remember there's already been a 360 game if he wants to put the blame of the visuals or the overall production values on the Wii... Also, what Ark said.

"I think the problem is bad design"

Looks really boring...and the graphics wow.theyr crap.

Meh, I want to try another tenchu game, but they really are making it tough for me to even care.

To me looks like it was in development for PS2, but they switched it over to Wii later on and tacked on some controlls.

No thanks. Now, if someone were to make a new Thief game...

"Jayge said:

More powerful hardware allows for so much more sophistication that is absolutely necessary to keep the series alive.

I think the problem is bad design, not the power of the mothereffing system."

Design is facilitated by hardware advancement. It's hard to use sophisticated AI or visual stealth systems on a console so far behind what they could be developing for. They started down a good path with Z (although with the wrong footing); but the road is clearly paved towards the heavy-duty consoles for the games in the future. I hope."

"More new videos from IGN.
Looking pretty good in my opinion, considering the Tenchu legacy."

All I know is when I watched the videos all I could say was "FUCKING AWESOME". I'll be buying this the day it comes out.

Wow that video looks great, the gameplay is more fast paced than i originally thought. But the voice actin, well the little there was of it, was annoying; also the music is horribly repetitive.

"How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?"

"Jayge said:

"How could they possibly make a game look even worse than Tenchu Z?"

yeaah.....god this looks bad, then again I don't know if and why anyone would of thought any different given the past games."