Everyone complains when a game barely evolves (Twilight Princess, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Mario Kart Wii) but when Nintendo actually tries to do something different and innovative like they did with Super Paper Mario everyone still complains?

Seriously, i'm not the biggest SPM fan. But i don't see why so many people hate it, i think it was a pretty good game and the 2D to 3D thing was actually well done and made the puzzles better. Same thing could be said about Majora's Mask, i don't see why so many people cry for something different and when it comes they cry for more of the same.

I think people lack the capacity to recognize JUST WHY they don't like a game sometimes.

Super Paper Mario, as you bring up, I thought was horrible.  The game forces you to spend a LOT of time simply walking in a straight line from point to point, the treadmill running part, walking around the desert.  The actual combat is almost always extremely easy, and there's not a whole lot of it.  Someone might bring up different points, but I feel I've gotten good at understanding why I don't like a game, because I used to buy games and then get bored of them and not really know why, so I thought about it a lot.

Similar with Banjo Kazooie Nuts & Bolts, everyone is hating on that game, and it's not even out yet, because it DOES change things.  That's even dumber than disliking a game just because it didn't change anything.  But there might be more to it than all of that, is what I'm saying.

The above poster is the first person I have ever seen that disliked Super Paper Mario.

"The above poster is the first person I have ever seen that disliked Super Paper Mario."

I heard a lot of people saying how great it was on forums when it was brand new, within a week everyone was saying the game was actually crap.  I haven't heard anyone in months actually say it was a good game.

I don't understand many of the complaints either. If a game is good to someone, why does it matter if the game has not changed up much from it's predecessor? It's very rare that sequels dramatically change the formula from one game to the next. It's really hard to balance what worked from the previous games while at the same time incorporating new features in a sequel. Either way, all games that try something different will have some people not liking it and others who will.

"I heard a lot of people saying how great it was on forums when it was brand new, within a week everyone was saying the game was actually crap.  I haven't heard anyone in months actually say it was a good game."

Because people want their favorite games to be changed, but play the same. Which is pretty much impossible. Very good point you made. 

People love and hate the familiar and the unfamiliar.

I liked Super Paper Mario only because it was more platformer than RPG, but it wasn't that great because it wasn't a great platformer.

"People love and hate the familiar and the unfamiliar.

I liked Super Paper Mario only because it was more platformer than RPG, but it wasn't that great because it wasn't a great platformer."

I don't think i've seen anyone hate Super Paper Mario. I've heard it criticised for being more of a platformer than an RPG.

"Everyone complains when a game barely evolves (Twilight Princess, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, Mario Kart Wii) but when Nintendo actually tries to do something different and innovative like they did with Super Paper Mario everyone still complains?

Seriously, i'm not the biggest SPM fan. But i don't see why so many people hate it, i think it was a pretty good game and the 2D to 3D thing was actually well done and made the puzzles better. Same thing could be said about Majora's Mask, i don't see why so many people cry for something different and when it comes they cry for more of the same."

I think the Paper Mario games are much better than Super Paper Mario but I really liked what Nintendo did. I think the series needed a break from its RPG formula and the old-school platforming worked perfectly. I loved everything about Super Paper Mario. Had they released another RPG we would now be complaining that the series never changed at all, isntead we are now desperate for a new Mario RPG!

"I think the Paper Mario games are much better than Super Paper Mario but I really liked what Nintendo did. I think the series needed a break from its RPG formula and the old-school platforming worked perfectly. I loved everything about Super Paper Mario. Had they released another RPG we would now be complaining that the series never changed at all, isntead we are now desperate for a new Mario RPG!"

People are only satisfied when they get what they don't have.

"I think the Paper Mario games are much better than Super Paper Mario but I really liked what Nintendo did. I think the series needed a break from its RPG formula and the old-school platforming worked perfectly. I loved everything about Super Paper Mario. Had they released another RPG we would now be complaining that the series never changed at all, isntead we are now desperate for a new Mario RPG!"

I'll give the game automatic suckage because of the bullshit treadmill crap.  That was single-handedly the DUMBEST

The treadmill was stupid...

Actually, I kinda like it when Nintendo tries new things. I prefer Super Mario Sunshine over Mario Galaxy. I also preferred both Majora's Mask and Wind Waker over Twilight Princess (though I did like all three). I think taking Metroid into 3D was bold and worked out beautifully (I know Retro Studios made it, and not Nintendo, but whatever). Honestly, I preferred the action-based gameplay in Super Paper Mario over the RPG-based gameplay in past Paper Mario games, and I thought the 3D ability was neat, however I prefer the older Paper Mario games for other reasons. Besides, the original Paper Mario itself was a pretty unique game and something kinda different for Nintendo. I liked that Mario Kart: Double Dash added 2 players to each kart, it opened up some new strategies and fun. I like it when Nintendo innovates a bit, rather than simply relying on taking an old game and making it bigger and more next-gen. Super Smash Bros Brawl for instance, had such a lack of change that I couldn't get very interested in it after having already invested so much time into Smash Bros Melee, which was such a similar game.