@emem: Yeah, they posted it on their facebook account.
Dark Souls
Game » consists of 14 releases. Released Sep 22, 2011
A quasi-sequel to From Software's action-RPG Demon's Souls, set in a new universe while retaining most of the basic gameplay and the high level of challenge. It features a less-linear world, a new checkpoint system in the form of bonfires, and the unique Humanity system.
Dark Souls notes from Namco keynote.
It's because they want a closed system, right? Still, they should probably have used Steamworks instead.
However, I'm not going to buy Dark Souls twice. Tell me when the extra content is DLC for consoles and I will willingly and enthusiastically throw my money down in support of it.
@benspyda: The post above yours answers your question. It's just easier to go with GFWL when you're porting a 360 game.
@WilltheMagicAsian:
Ya, basically the same boat I'm in....they kind of deflated the hype balloon a bit with that one lol
@SlasherMan said:
@benspyda: The post above yours answers your question. It's just easier to go with GFWL when you're porting a 360 game.
That makes sense. Fair enough.
@ArbitraryWater said:
It's because they want a closed system, right? Still, they should probably have used Steamworks instead.
However, I'm not going to buy Dark Souls twice. Tell me when the extra content is DLC for consoles and I will willingly and enthusiastically throw my money down in support of it.
But the PC version has new content so it's like buying DLC.
@rebgav said:
@crusader8463 said:
@rebgav said:
@Deusx said:
It's obviously not FROM SOFTWARE's fault. It's microsoft. The developers can't do anything about it. They already have a contract with them since they released the game on XBox 360.
That's nonsense. It's probably just quicker, cheaper and easier to get the PC version out there by porting the 360 version to GFWL rather than adopting steamworks. It's a perfectly reasonable course of action and the people losing their shit over it are just being assholes.
What? How are people not wanting to play a game that is being burdened with DRM that is notoriously buggy and a pain in the ass to get to work properly being ass holes? That makes no sense.
People demand a PC version because they can't/don't want to play the existing console versions and then cry about which service provides the online component?
GFWL is a huge pain in the ass most of the time but it's not black magic. If you can't get a working install of GFWL running then don't buy games for that platform.
Besides, isn't it about time to start complaining about FROM not providing mod tools for the game? I know it's a proprietary engine owned by Sony but this is the internet and we deserve everything on our own terms.
I still fail to see why that makes people assholes. Just because they are releasing it on PC doesn't mean people should just shut up and be happy with what they got even if it means the nightmare of GFWL. That's just stupid. GFWL is a terrible service with many well known problems that will no doubt ruin the game experience for a lot of people because of the developers choice to include it in their game. Of course people are going to be upset that a game they were once looking forward to is now potentially going to be ruined because of their choice of DRM. Telling people to just shut up and be grateful for what you are getting is just silly.
If people didn't voice their dislike of the service included in games how would other developers know to avoid the service like the plague because no one likes it? It's because of people doing stuff like this and raising a stink about GFWL that it's in so few games as it is.
@rebgav: Honestly I don't understand why you don't get it, but lets just say this. We don't want GFWL because of those reasons, we are not tying to change it, improve it, or live with it, Microsoft has made there point and we ours. We rather it die and From move on to either Steam or some other form of service. DRM free would be nice, but that wont happen.
Most are not just raging. We have all stated that this is the direction we do not want them to go, and many of us(like myself) have signed the petition and notified Namco and From. The reason why you are hearing us complain is because many in this form are asking whats wrong with GFWL or calling the people who are actively against it, as having no grounds for their complaints.
Its far more than just 'raging'.
@rebgav said:
There is a list on the Xbox website which specifies those countries that have official Live service. If you don't live in one of those countries, don't use Live. It seems like a simple solution, could work.
But I wannnnnaaaa.... Yeah, well, live with the consequences. GFWL is not going to improve or widen its coverage before Dark Souls comes out so make an informed decision. Makes more sense than complaining about Live games not working in countries without Live support.
Complain to Namco, complain to Microsoft, complain to FROM. All of those are better options than raging impotently on the internet.
I wasn't complaining about Live game not working in countries without Live support (seriously, somebody explain to me what that even means), but rather that there is no fair warning anywhere on the product that you'll be practically robbed of your purchase if you even attempt to register a game on an unsupproted account. I know the consequences, and I know plenty of ways around this (like making an account assigned to a supported country, that works just fine, but this also just goes to show how silly and arbitrary these limitations are). You know the consequences. Most other people simply do not! And no one is willing to take responsibility for it.
And trust me, Microsoft has been receiving complaints since that disservice launched. If anything, it's just getting progressively worse.
@Packie said:
@kishinfoulux said:
- Uses Games for Windows Live (can't wait for the rage)
The GFWL part isn't a big deal to me. I've never had an issue with it.
Is there an official confirmation of this? I hear some people are confusing it with GFW, not live. Which is weird since Namco's Ridge Racer Unbounded was steamworks.
To be fair, I guess it still might not be a sure thing, but I'm seeing GFWL from a lot of different places. Be they individuals or game news sites.
@rebgav said:
@crusader8463 said:
Telling people to just shut up and be grateful for what you are getting is just silly.
Don't. Fucking. Buy. It.
That's what I'm telling you.
If you really want to buy it an are willing to endure GFWL, fine, I will commiserate when a GFWL update wipes out your 100+ hour save. Complaining in advance about problems that you aren't yet having with a game that isn't out until August is only worthy of scorn.
You are missing the point entirely, and I can see this is going nowhere. So I will leave it here.
The petition to get rid of GFWL has already reached 5,000 signatures. That was quick. Can't wait to see what'll be at tomorrow morning.
@drag said:
Here's some proper details about the new content, from the Dark Souls website:
- New Bosses - Including Artorias of Abyss, Chimera of Tomb, and more
- PVP Online Matchmaking System - Quick matching for co-op or PVP
- New Areas – Including Oolacile Tomb, Old Ruins and more
- New Enemies – Including Abyss Guard, Chained Prisoner and more
- New NPCs – Including Hawkeye Gough and more
- New Weapons and Armor – Equip some from the new bosses, enemies, and NPCs
(add to main post, @kishinfoulux ?)
Will do right now. Saw this earlier too. Just got caught up. Thanks.
I'm willing to go through that hellish hole again just to explore new areas, new content, bosses, more lore. (I wonder if it's going to be $60 though...) GFWL is a pain in the ass in reality, but it's livable... (it would be most viable for it to be on Steam though.)
Note: Kinda wonder if my console save could be transferred...then again, going through it from the beginning from scratch isn't a bad thing either :D
@idoublespy: that is not true you can go into offline mode but the true fun dark souls experience is when playing online
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
It is a well thought out argument though. All these people whining about "forced DRM" ( see above) 40 million people mostly choose to use steam. It's a simple, irrefutable point that they see value in it. GFWL on the other hand, this is not the case. Screaming cunt multiple times makes this point more right.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
It is a well thought out argument though. All these people whining about "forced DRM" ( see above) 40 million people mostly choose to use steam. It's a simple, irrefutable point that they see value in it. GFWL on the other hand, this is not the case. Screaming cunt multiple times makes this point more right.
just because someone uses Steam does not mean they've chosen it like to mental weird fanboy. it just means they use it. i happily use Steam, Origin and GFWL without getting all angry and weird about shit that doesn't really matter.
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
It is a well thought out argument though. All these people whining about "forced DRM" ( see above) 40 million people mostly choose to use steam. It's a simple, irrefutable point that they see value in it. GFWL on the other hand, this is not the case. Screaming cunt multiple times makes this point more right.
just because someone uses Steam does not mean they've chosen it
Well... yea it does. They have a choice in the matter so they have chosen to use it. Steam is second to what the majority of core pc gamers use.
The rest (sadly) use pirate-bay. That is the largest distributor of games, not steam.
Hating GFWL or origin is not weird or fanboyish. GFWL has been a huge pain in the ass compared to steam. Origin, not so much. It's basically a steam knock-off. Only the prices are worth complaining about.
Meh, I'm sure they'll drop GFWL by launch.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
It is a well thought out argument though. All these people whining about "forced DRM" ( see above) 40 million people mostly choose to use steam. It's a simple, irrefutable point that they see value in it. GFWL on the other hand, this is not the case. Screaming cunt multiple times makes this point more right.
just because someone uses Steam does not mean they've chosen it
Well... yea it does. They have a choice in the matter so they have chosen to use it. Steam is second to what the majority of core pc gamers use.
Let's not go overboard here. There are plenty of Steamworks games that require you to install Steam and activate the game through it regardless of how you bought them (i.e you DON'T get a choice, short of not buying at all), and believe it or not, there are plenty of people who simply do not appreciate that. It's not as bad as it was back when it launched where everyone hated it, but there are still people who do not see any value in it, much like you and I don't see any value in Origin or GFWL, and only view it as a hassle and an extra barrier to their enjoyment of a game they paid good money for. Yes, it can be a better alternative than others, but to act like ALL 40 millions accounts were created free of resentment is just silly.
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
Microsoft are A) Cunts B) Cunts and C) Cunts who have lost touch with pc gaming and seem to be under the impression it's a fucking xbox. It's great to see games like DOW2 and Bethesda drop that shit and come over the winning team. Instantly the games became better.
well at least your putting across a grown up, adult, well thought argument and not just posting childish drivel
It is a well thought out argument though. All these people whining about "forced DRM" ( see above) 40 million people mostly choose to use steam. It's a simple, irrefutable point that they see value in it. GFWL on the other hand, this is not the case. Screaming cunt multiple times makes this point more right.
just because someone uses Steam does not mean they've chosen it
Well... yea it does. They have a choice in the matter so they have chosen to use it. Steam is second to what the majority of core pc gamers use.
Let's not go overboard here. There are plenty of Steamworks games that require you to install Steam and activate the game through it regardless of how you bought them (i.e you DON'T get a choice, short of not buying at all), and believe it or not, there are plenty of people who simply do not appreciate that. It's not as bad as it was back when it launched where everyone hated it, but there are still people who do not see any value in it, much like you and I don't see any value in Origin or GFWL, and only view it as a hassle and an extra barrier to their enjoyment of a game they paid good money for. Yes, it can be a better alternative than others, but to act like ALL 40 millions accounts were created free of resentment is just silly.
I didn't act like "all". I said most. Which is factually based. Very, very few games force you to use steam. And most games now get the majority of digital games through steam even if they don't use it. e.g. Wticher 2 sold more on steam that GOG by multiple times. The reason steam has become what it has, isn't through being a cunt to customers. It was originally small, indie games only. Not huge AAA games. Valve embrassed modding and the indie community. Microsoft and EA do not. Thus, they are cunts of a huge magnitude and in inferior potentially damaging alternative. Valve have not and have never been in the habit of fucking a user-base or trying to cock-block user generated content. Or fuck people with DLC. EA and Microsoft are all about that. Battlefield 3 was one of the most closed, clamped multiplayer shooters of the modern age. Microsofts vision of the future is bejeweled DLC based fee2play shit. They are cynical attempts at getting a peice of the pie without understanding why people like the pie in the first place.Even just the very basic design of GFWL gets on peoples tits. Hate it.
This just may put me off buying it. For fucks sake, why not just use steam...where's your business savvy?
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
I didn't act like "all". I said most. Which is factually based. Very, very few games force you to use steam. And most games now get the majority of digital games through steam even if they don't use it.
e.g. Wticher 2 sold more on steam that GOG by multiple times.
That's not what I was disputing. My point was that not everyone uses it by choice, and there are most certainly more than just a few Steamworks games around that do force users to use it.
I have no doubt in my mind that Steam is by far the most popular digital distribution platform, that is an indisputable fact. All I'm saying is, just because it's the most popular, doesn't mean that everyone is embracing it. I may have missed the "mostly" in your post, but the general sense I got was that you were trying to pass it off as if everyone who uses Steam uses it because they love it. If I misunderstood that, then my bad.
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
I didn't act like "all". I said most. Which is factually based. Very, very few games force you to use steam. And most games now get the majority of digital games through steam even if they don't use it.
e.g. Wticher 2 sold more on steam that GOG by multiple times.
That's not what I was disputing. My point was that not everyone uses it by choice, and there are most certainly more than just a few Steamworks games around that do force users to use it.
I have no doubt in my mind that Steam is by far the most popular digital distribution platform, that is an indisputable fact. All I'm saying is, just because it's the most popular, doesn't mean that everyone is embracing it. I may have missed the "mostly" in your post, but the general sense I got was that you were trying to pass it off as if everyone who uses Steam uses it because they love it. If I misunderstood that, then my bad.
Ok cool. I wasn't saying everyone. Most. Now and again you see people complaining about steam. imo these people are a minority and alot of them probably pirates anyway.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
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Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
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Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
If your just going to edit my post out I wont bother reading this. Try re-editing my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
However I am curious where is the word "most" in this sentance:
GFWL can die in a hole. Awful piece of shit. The reason 40 million peoplechoose (read not forced)to use steam is because it is fucking awsome. Valve are awsome.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
10,000 sigs and counting on that petition to remove GFWL. Honestly, I could see this swaying From into abandoning GFWL.
I said earlier in the topic that the tone that the majority of people complaining about GFWL is less-than-civil, but if it means a better version of the game, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize. I should have spoken more on your high intellectual level and used the word Cunt 5 times in one sentence.
@Lysergica33 said:
10,000 sigs and counting on that petition to remove GFWL. Honestly, I could see this swaying From into abandoning GFWL.
I said earlier in the topic that the tone that the majority of people complaining about GFWL is less-than-civil, but if it means a better version of the game, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I have to ask, how EXACTLY does steam make it a "better version of the game"?
Excited about this. I know they announced DLC for Dark Souls a couple of months back, so I'd be amazed if the added bosses/areas for the PC version aren't essentially the DLC that will come to the other platforms. I don't particularly care, though. Dark Souls has, for me, been one of the most significant games in the past however many years. Will support until I'm burger.
Bummed about the GFWL, but let's look at the facts before flipping the fuck out: I don't think From is particularly well versed in developing for the PC. Plus, they've already put the game out on 360. I'd be amazed if there wasn't some overlap between whatever they had to wrap the game in for Xbox and the GFWL platform. Given the fact that they weren't even considering a port and are now scrambling to strike while the iron is hot, stripping out GFWL is probably not worth the time and effort. What's important for me is that From realizes that the PC is a viable platform, and there's a reasonable amount of interest in another Souls game (because, really, a sequel is inevitable at this point, right?) so that they keep the PC in mind as they're developing the other versions. In the long run, GFWL isn't popular or successful enough to really trundle along for too much longer. We've already seen a pretty marked reduction in its visibility in PC games these days. Either Microsoft will have to come out with a whole new thing during the next cycle (which I'd like to see. I mean, steam works exceptionally well, but some competition wouldn't go amiss) or just concede.
From can be weaned off GFWL later. Right now, I'd rather just see them put out a "Souls" game on the PC so I can give them (more) fucking money.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize.
Good boy. Now I will discuss your thoughts.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
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Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
"Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it."
Steamworkshop, intigrated accesible modding has had millions of downloads. Bethesda themselfs have acknowledged modding as part of the reason the game sells well on the pc. Games for Windows Live had none of this. Nor is it interested in it. This has enhanced the game for me and factually speaking, millions of other users. This is not my subjective opinion. It is facts used with stats.
"I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches?"
This is a very good pro you bring up. When you have 500 games, having them update without having to do anything, saves hours of time. Hours.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970701643/games
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC
This idea that everything consoles related is bad is pretty stupid imo. How, the fuck... exactly, is the ability to get all your games at the click of a button, all of them auto-updated without spending hours on end dicking around, bad? Also, bro, if you were a longtime pc gamer like me (you clearly aren't) you would be aware of stuff like Mplayer that existed fucking, long, long before Xboxlive. Guess what bro? This shit came from the pc. Achievements? Auto-patching? Pc. Moot argument. Illogical. Factually wrong e.t.c....
Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be.
Again, while you (and your clearly huge self-importance) may deem that so. Millions factually speaking find achievements important. So this is moot.
Also Witcher 2 uses achievements, so clearly CD Projekt themselfs deem them important enough to impliment them in. Moot argument. Illogical.
Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC
No because steam has 40 million users and makes a shit ton of money. You really think it's about EA giving more customer service? Haha.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag.
Now your contridicting yourself on "consolization".
Not going to bother reading the rest. Next time you decide to use a sarcastic obnoxious tone, use some logic and do some research. Helps alot.
You owe me roughly 7 minutes of my life. Don't try waste more, we are done here. Forever. Until the end of time.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize.
Good boy. Now I will discuss your thoughts.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
Stuff
Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
"Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it."
Steamworkshop, intigrated accesible modding has had millions of downloads. Bethesda themselfs have acknowledged modding as part of the reason the game sells well on the pc. Games for Windows Live had none of this. Nor is it interested in it. This has enhanced the game for me and factually speaking, millions of other users. This is not my subjective opinion. It is facts used with stats.
"I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches?"
This is a very good pro you bring up. When you have 500 games, having them update without having to do anything, saves hours of time. Hours.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970701643/games
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC
This idea that everything consoles over are bad is pretty stupid. How, the fuck... exactly, is the ability to get all your games at the click of a button, all of them auto-updated without spending hours on end dicking around, bad? Also, bro, if you were a longtime pc gamer like me (you clearly aren't) you would be aware of stuff like Mplayer that existed fucking, long, long before Xboxlive. Guess what bro? This shit came from the pc. Achievements? Auto-patching? Pc. Moot argument. Illogical. Factually wrong e.t.c....
Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be.
Again, while you (and your clearly huge self-importance) may deem that so. Millions factually speaking find achievements important. So this is moot.
Also Wittcher 2 uses achievements, so clearly CD Projekt themselfs deem them important enough to impliment them in. Moot argument. Illogical.
Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC
No because steam has 40 million users and makes a shit ton of money. You really think it's about EA giving more customer service? Haha.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag.
Now your contridicting yourself on "consolization".
Not going to bother reading the rest. Next time you decide to use a sarcastic obnoxious tone, use some logic and do some research. Helps alot.
You owe me roughly 7 minutes of my life. Don't try waste more, we are done here. Forever. Until the end of time.
im so pleased i don't care about any of this shit and im just able to enjoy my games
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize.
Good boy. Now I will discuss your thoughts.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
Stuff
Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
"Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it."
Steamworkshop, intigrated accesible modding has had millions of downloads. Bethesda themselfs have acknowledged modding as part of the reason the game sells well on the pc. Games for Windows Live had none of this. Nor is it interested in it. This has enhanced the game for me and factually speaking, millions of other users. This is not my subjective opinion. It is facts used with stats.
"I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches?"
This is a very good pro you bring up. When you have 500 games, having them update without having to do anything, saves hours of time. Hours.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970701643/games
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC
This idea that everything consoles over are bad is pretty stupid. How, the fuck... exactly, is the ability to get all your games at the click of a button, all of them auto-updated without spending hours on end dicking around, bad? Also, bro, if you were a longtime pc gamer like me (you clearly aren't) you would be aware of stuff like Mplayer that existed fucking, long, long before Xboxlive. Guess what bro? This shit came from the pc. Achievements? Auto-patching? Pc. Moot argument. Illogical. Factually wrong e.t.c....
Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be.
Again, while you (and your clearly huge self-importance) may deem that so. Millions factually speaking find achievements important. So this is moot.
Also Wittcher 2 uses achievements, so clearly CD Projekt themselfs deem them important enough to impliment them in. Moot argument. Illogical.
Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC
No because steam has 40 million users and makes a shit ton of money. You really think it's about EA giving more customer service? Haha.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag.
Now your contridicting yourself on "consolization".
Not going to bother reading the rest. Next time you decide to use a sarcastic obnoxious tone, use some logic and do some research. Helps alot.
You owe me roughly 7 minutes of my life. Don't try waste more, we are done here. Forever. Until the end of time.
im so pleased i don't care about any of this shit and im just able to enjoy my games
Thats pretty much what steam does. No dicking around patching. No searching for disks lost. Use it anywere on any computer.
Most of the hoops isn't steam itself but shit attached to it like Ubisofts DRM, or GFWL or gamespy. Signing in, then signing in, then signing in. Then downloading shit on top of downloads.
Waste of time.
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize.
Good boy. Now I will discuss your thoughts.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
Stuff
Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
"Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it."
Steamworkshop, intigrated accesible modding has had millions of downloads. Bethesda themselfs have acknowledged modding as part of the reason the game sells well on the pc. Games for Windows Live had none of this. Nor is it interested in it. This has enhanced the game for me and factually speaking, millions of other users. This is not my subjective opinion. It is facts used with stats.
"I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches?"
This is a very good pro you bring up. When you have 500 games, having them update without having to do anything, saves hours of time. Hours.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970701643/games
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC
This idea that everything consoles over are bad is pretty stupid. How, the fuck... exactly, is the ability to get all your games at the click of a button, all of them auto-updated without spending hours on end dicking around, bad? Also, bro, if you were a longtime pc gamer like me (you clearly aren't) you would be aware of stuff like Mplayer that existed fucking, long, long before Xboxlive. Guess what bro? This shit came from the pc. Achievements? Auto-patching? Pc. Moot argument. Illogical. Factually wrong e.t.c....
Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be.
Again, while you (and your clearly huge self-importance) may deem that so. Millions factually speaking find achievements important. So this is moot.
Also Wittcher 2 uses achievements, so clearly CD Projekt themselfs deem them important enough to impliment them in. Moot argument. Illogical.
Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC
No because steam has 40 million users and makes a shit ton of money. You really think it's about EA giving more customer service? Haha.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag.
Now your contridicting yourself on "consolization".
Not going to bother reading the rest. Next time you decide to use a sarcastic obnoxious tone, use some logic and do some research. Helps alot.
You owe me roughly 7 minutes of my life. Don't try waste more, we are done here. Forever. Until the end of time.
im so pleased i don't care about any of this shit and im just able to enjoy my games
Thats pretty much what steam does. No dicking around patching. No searching for disks lost. Use it anywere on any computer.
Most of the hoops isn't steam itself but shit attached to it like Ubisofts DRM, or GFWL or gamespy. Signing in, then signing in, then signing in. Then downloading shit on top of downloads.
Waste of time.
but i've NEVER experianced ANY problem or inconvience using any of those services. im currectly playing Driver SF on the PC. remember all the shit that game got about UBIsoft and DRM and all that crap. but i've been playing it NO problem and loving it. if id listened to the nonsense that the intenest shat out i would of missed a fantastic game.
I've never had a problem playing F1 2012 or Dirt 2 using GFWL
I've never had a problem with Origin.
and i've never had a problem with Steam.
i ok with all of them really
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Bell_End said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
If your just going to edit my post out I bother reading this Try re-editing it with my post back in and i will be happy to discuss the topic.
Sorry but if you can't condense your thoughts into one post instead of 32 one liners I am not going to do it for you.
I did. I am simply replying to people more respectful and less self-absorbed than you.
The fact you wont even do something as simple as requested and expect me to read a long ass rant says alot. None of it good.
Of course I apologize.
Good boy. Now I will discuss your thoughts.
@Karkarov said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
@SlasherMan said:
@whyareyoucrouchingspock said:
Stuff
Uh well just to throw this out there and all but Skyrim sold pretty well. It is a single player game.... Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it. Yet every single person who bought Skryim had to play it through Steam on PC. I happily admit to never even having a steam account until Fallout New Vegas came out. Also you can believe me when I say I was one of the stupid minority who bought Witcher 2 on GoG. I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches? Please, GoG can get you a patch plenty easy. Multiplayer? It is a single player game.... Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be. However GoG got me more downloadable extras (like the games soundtrack) and no DRM. When I bought it from GoG it was even cheaper there due to a sale. Funny I thought only Steam had sales and low prices?
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC, and I don't like it. Most people who can see what PC gaming will look like 10 years from now from today's trends don't like it either. Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC the way they wanted to and they either did it Steams way or the highway. I have a feeling they have a pretty similar approach to how multiplayer works with all the friends list stuff etc. Too bad Dark Souls doesn't work that way.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag. I didn't have to sign up to a new service, I could still use MS points which I already had to use on Xbox anyway, and gee I can even play the game without launching a third party app first in alot of cases. As long as I am willing to play without any DLC etc at least. Steam required me to sign up for some new crap, makes me run it even when I am offline, even if I am just playing a single player game, and even if I have the physical disc in my hand. If that isn't DRM I don't know what is.
PS: Did you just say everyone who doesn't use Steam is probably a pirate anyway? Newsflash, I have never pirated a game.... ever. However I would sooner have a pirates back than some mindless goofus who thinks Steam is actually good for gaming.
"Can't think of a single damn thing Steam does to enhance my enjoyment of it."
Steamworkshop, intigrated accesible modding has had millions of downloads. Bethesda themselfs have acknowledged modding as part of the reason the game sells well on the pc. Games for Windows Live had none of this. Nor is it interested in it. This has enhanced the game for me and factually speaking, millions of other users. This is not my subjective opinion. It is facts used with stats.
"I mean why would you buy it on steam to begin with? Patches?"
This is a very good pro you bring up. When you have 500 games, having them update without having to do anything, saves hours of time. Hours.
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197970701643/games
Steam is DRM, it is the consolization of my PC
This idea that everything consoles over are bad is pretty stupid. How, the fuck... exactly, is the ability to get all your games at the click of a button, all of them auto-updated without spending hours on end dicking around, bad? Also, bro, if you were a longtime pc gamer like me (you clearly aren't) you would be aware of stuff like Mplayer that existed fucking, long, long before Xboxlive. Guess what bro? This shit came from the pc. Achievements? Auto-patching? Pc. Moot argument. Illogical. Factually wrong e.t.c....
Oh that's right, achievements! God knows those make or break a game, oh wait no they don't. Achievements have been stupid pointless cool points from the first day they existed and they always will be.
Again, while you (and your clearly huge self-importance) may deem that so. Millions factually speaking find achievements important. So this is moot.
Also Wittcher 2 uses achievements, so clearly CD Projekt themselfs deem them important enough to impliment them in. Moot argument. Illogical.
Why did EA make Origin? Because they are the anti christ right? No. Because Valve told them they were not allowed to sell DLC
No because steam has 40 million users and makes a shit ton of money. You really think it's about EA giving more customer service? Haha.
In fact I honestly PREFER GFWL. Do you know why? Because it is nothing but my Xbox Gamertag.
Now your contridicting yourself on "consolization".
Not going to bother reading the rest. Next time you decide to use a sarcastic obnoxious tone, use some logic and do some research. Helps alot.
You owe me roughly 7 minutes of my life. Don't try waste more, we are done here. Forever. Until the end of time.
im so pleased i don't care about any of this shit and im just able to enjoy my games
Thats pretty much what steam does. No dicking around patching. No searching for disks lost. Use it anywere on any computer.
Most of the hoops isn't steam itself but shit attached to it like Ubisofts DRM, or GFWL or gamespy. Signing in, then signing in, then signing in. Then downloading shit on top of downloads.
Waste of time.
but i've NEVER experianced ANY problem or inconvience using any of those services. im currectly playing Driver SF on the PC. remember all the shit that game got about UBIsoft and DRM
Thats probably because nobody could play any games due to hackers spamming them with DOS attacks.
Why the fuck wouldn't they be pissed off? The last Ubisoft game I bought as Ass Creed Rev. I didn't really have any problems either. At the same time though, It eat up my time updating the service, having to re-type the cd-key and finding my old password. It didn't add anything steam couldn't have. Waste of time. Alot of these programs are just shoved on top of steam. Valve should turn round and say "no" imo.Valve probably have the power to do that.
@Karkarov said:
@Lysergica33 said:
10,000 sigs and counting on that petition to remove GFWL. Honestly, I could see this swaying From into abandoning GFWL.
I said earlier in the topic that the tone that the majority of people complaining about GFWL is less-than-civil, but if it means a better version of the game, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I have to ask, how EXACTLY does steam make it a "better version of the game"?
Because GFWL is broken as fuck. It's abandonment would automatically make for a better version of the game. But look, I'm not intending to come across as one of those bitchy PC Gaming Master Race types. I'll still buy it, play it and enjoy the fuck out of it regardless of it having GFWL, but I really don't see how anyone who does even the slightest bit of reading about why GFWL is crap (better yet if you've had direct experience of its crapness) would think that its inclusion is a good thing.
Mainly, I'm just worried that it'll cut into sales to the point that From just won't bother putting anything else on PC after this, because that would be the worst thing that could come of this, not a couple of borked save games. I may not be the type of gamer that will have the knee-jerk reaction of not buying it just because of GFWL and I'm not going to pirate it to send a message, but many PC gamers ARE that type of gamer. That's all I'm trying to say.
Thats cool with me.
@Lysergica33 said:
@Karkarov said:
@Lysergica33 said:
10,000 sigs and counting on that petition to remove GFWL. Honestly, I could see this swaying From into abandoning GFWL.
I said earlier in the topic that the tone that the majority of people complaining about GFWL is less-than-civil, but if it means a better version of the game, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I have to ask, how EXACTLY does steam make it a "better version of the game"?
Because GFWL is broken as fuck. It's abandonment would automatically make for a better version of the game. But look, I'm not intending to come across as one of those bitchy PC Gaming Master Race types. I'll still buy it, play it and enjoy the fuck out of it regardless of it having GFWL, but I really don't see how anyone who does even the slightest bit of reading about why GFWL is crap (better yet if you've had direct experience of its crapness) would think that its inclusion is a good thing.
Mainly, I'm just worried that it'll cut into sales to the point that From just won't bother putting anything else on PC after this, because that would be the worst thing that could come of this, not a couple of borked save games. I may not be the type of gamer that will have the knee-jerk reaction of not buying it just because of GFWL and I'm not going to pirate it to send a message, but many PC gamers ARE that type of gamer. That's all I'm trying to say.
i have a feeling this is a last chance kind of thing from FROM software. if it does turn out to be heavily pireted then i would expect it will be the last FROM software game we see on the PC. so lets hope THAT type of gamer does not fuck it up for the rest of us that will buy it.
@Bell_End said:
@Lysergica33 said:
@Karkarov said:
@Lysergica33 said:
10,000 sigs and counting on that petition to remove GFWL. Honestly, I could see this swaying From into abandoning GFWL.
I said earlier in the topic that the tone that the majority of people complaining about GFWL is less-than-civil, but if it means a better version of the game, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I have to ask, how EXACTLY does steam make it a "better version of the game"?
Because GFWL is broken as fuck. It's abandonment would automatically make for a better version of the game. But look, I'm not intending to come across as one of those bitchy PC Gaming Master Race types. I'll still buy it, play it and enjoy the fuck out of it regardless of it having GFWL, but I really don't see how anyone who does even the slightest bit of reading about why GFWL is crap (better yet if you've had direct experience of its crapness) would think that its inclusion is a good thing.
Mainly, I'm just worried that it'll cut into sales to the point that From just won't bother putting anything else on PC after this, because that would be the worst thing that could come of this, not a couple of borked save games. I may not be the type of gamer that will have the knee-jerk reaction of not buying it just because of GFWL and I'm not going to pirate it to send a message, but many PC gamers ARE that type of gamer. That's all I'm trying to say.
i have a feeling this is a last chance kind of thing from FROM software. if it does turn out to be heavily pireted then i would expect it will be the last FROM software game we see on the PC. so lets hope THAT type of gamer does not fuck it up for the rest of us that will buy it.
Uh, Wut?
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