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    Deadly Premonition

    Game » consists of 11 releases. Released Feb 23, 2010

    An open-world action-adventure game following an eccentric FBI agent as he investigates a series of bizarre murders in the small rural town of Greenvale.

    Old Raincoat Killer Theory (Spoilers)

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    Edited By Khantael

     (Re: spoilers, if you're up to date in the endurance run (specifically, today's VJ Endurance Run, there should be no problem.)

     
    Deadly Premonition is one of those sorts of games I love to think about, as a lot is implied and people are generally unreliable so you have to look at things objectively rather than trusting everything you're told.
     
    It's not particularly important, but I've been quite interested about the identity of the old Raincoat Killer. 
     

    We first hear the tale from Harry, who claims he ran to the clocktower, saw the military, and then as the bell rang 13 times, he ran and went into the middle of town where people will killing eachother, he got enraged himself, the Raincoat Killer (who turned out to be his father) was killing a lot of people, and he got knocked out by him.(And it'd be incredibly coincidental if he just ended up where the Raincoat Killer is, while driving, for no reason).
     
    This story has some holes in it, the biggest one being that if the Raincoat Killer was slaughtering everyone, why did he just knock out Harry? Harry says himself that he seemed to be recognised and got attacked anyway and that people couldn't keep control, himself included.
     
    And after Harry's regaled his tale, he basically says everything he's said isn't entirely true. To be precise:
     
    "Just as you suspected, everything I have told you is gibberish. I never hacked into the FBI server. And I certainly know nothing about the red seeds. I thank you for listening to an old man babble on."
     
    Yet his talk about the red seeds is accurate. He specifically doesn't mention his Raincoat Killer recollection and its truthfulness here.
     
    In episode 25 when playing as the Raincoat Killer, the killer runs towards the clocktower. He hears the 13 bells ring - and everybody is going crazy before the 13th bell has rung (which is when Harry himself claims to have lost control). The Raincoat Killer also sees the military men in the clocktower, much like Harry claimed to have. 
     
    Would it not make more sense that Harry was the old Raincoat Killer, then, running TOWARD the clocktower rather than AWAY from it? 
     
    It would also explain why he wears that gas mask. It was pointed out in the ER that wearing it inside would be pointless if the issue is the outside is impure (especially when it rains) - if you knew you'd lost your mind and slaughtered a lot of people in a town, would you be taking risks? It might also explain why he's giving some hints.
     
    Not to mention, if Zach got trapped in the Red Room due to... whatever Kaysen did when he was a kid, could Kaysen doing something similar when the Raincoat Killer got to the clocktower lead Harry to be there? We don't see what happens when he gets there, and the man in the Red Room type world sounds exactly the same as Harry, rather than a different voice like it would be if it was his father.  

    So anyway! That's my theory. :D It might not stand up to scrutiny and/or sidequest information, I don't know, but for now I'm sticking to it.

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    #1  Edited By Khantael

     (Re: spoilers, if you're up to date in the endurance run (specifically, today's VJ Endurance Run, there should be no problem.)

     
    Deadly Premonition is one of those sorts of games I love to think about, as a lot is implied and people are generally unreliable so you have to look at things objectively rather than trusting everything you're told.
     
    It's not particularly important, but I've been quite interested about the identity of the old Raincoat Killer. 
     

    So anyway! That's my theory. :D It might not stand up to scrutiny and/or sidequest information, I don't know, but for now I'm sticking to it.

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    #2  Edited By Mysterysheep

    Wow. That seems totally plausible.

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    #3  Edited By sixghost

    The "gibberish" line was just Harry telling York that he wouldn't testify to any of this, but he still wanted to York to have the information.

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    #4  Edited By Khantael
    @sixghost: That makes sense, too. 
     
    I'm not sure it wpuld completely discount this, because I do find Harry's Raincoat Killer story to have quite a few holes in it, but I figure that in that case there's no motivation to be fully truthful with York. If he gets across the important stuff - military, existing Raincoat Killer, knowing who they were - the details are unimportant. 
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    #5  Edited By Turambar
    @Khantael:  Note: there are some spoilers in this response not yet arrived at by the VJ endurance run
     
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    #6  Edited By AuthenticM

    I haven't read anything in the thread as I'm on episode 20, but doesn't the title itself is a spoiler? "Old Raincoat killer" ?

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    #7  Edited By CaptainObvious

    I think in today's episode Kaysen mentioned something about Harry. 
     
    My theory is that Harry also has his other personality and just after he went berserk as the raincoat killer he switched places with his York.  That might be why Harry's story is full of holes. Remember the moment when York told Emily about the moment when his father shot his mother? I think the whole time the truth about that moment was locked from York by Zach. I bet it's the same way with Harry.

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    #8  Edited By Khantael
    @AuthenticM: Fair point, but I'm not sure what else I could call it without people stumbling in on a subject they don't want to come across. It's not something I particularly considered a spoiler, and I'm not sure what kind of alternative title might work.
     
    I'm sorry, that's not the most helpful response to you. :/
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    #9  Edited By Turambar
    @AuthenticM: Well, the game does tell you pretty early on, right after the woodmill, about the legend of the raincoat killer.
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    #10  Edited By Dylabaloo

    PROFILING!!

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    #11  Edited By Khantael
    @Turambar: Hmm... that could be an interesting turn of events. Didn't think of it that way! I like that idea.
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    #12  Edited By Khantael
    @CaptainObvious: Yeah, I caught that reference too.  
     
    It would make sense, too, as it would seem to be a traumatic enough experience... Very interesting.
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    #13  Edited By I_smell

    How come Harry specifically saw the millitary men wearing gas masks, but the raincoat killer didn't?
    And why the hell is Kaysen in the army?
    And why would the army sanction covering greenvale in purple haze?

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    #14  Edited By homewrecker
    @AuthenticM said:
    " I haven't read anything in the thread as I'm on episode 20, but doesn't the title itself is a spoiler? "Old Raincoat killer" ? "
    it could be an old theory rather than a theory about an old raincoat killer
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    #15  Edited By Term

    I don't know why people are really doubting Harry's story, there are no real holes that make it unable to be taken at basic face value. This is my theory of how the night 50 years ago played out. As a disclaimer I will say there is plenty this doesn't account for, and this is merely the conclusion I came to as more information was presented to the player.
     

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    #16  Edited By mutha3

    Yeah I was thinking the same thing."
     
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    ahh this game is ????

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    #18  Edited By defaulttag

     Awesome endurance run. I enjoyed it. I never watched the P4 one though, should I? anyways I still have some things that need clarifiying. I've been watching the ER, I just extract the following details from it.
     
    1. Zombies throughout the game. Were they just ghosts that Zach/York can see from greenvale's past?
    2. What would happen if you chose to shoot Kaysen instead of Emily? Investigation Failure?
    2.5. Is there a way to keep Emily alive and have a different ending?
    3. Was it the seeds that made Kaysen crazy? Or was he already some evil being or demon?
    4. How exactly did Kaysen get George to become the New Raincoat Killer. I know Kaysen killed George's mom and Harry couldn't save her.
    5. Who was the Old Raincoat Killer? Kaysen? Stewart? 

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    #19  Edited By Urmean
    @defaulttag said:
    "  1. Zombies throughout the game. Were they just ghosts that Zach/York can see from greenvale's past? 
    2. What would happen if you chose to shoot Kaysen instead of Emily? Investigation Failure?
    2.5. Is there a way to keep Emily alive and have a different ending? 
    3. Was it the seeds that made Kaysen crazy? Or was he already some evil being or demon? 
    4. How exactly did Kaysen get George to become the New Raincoat Killer. I know Kaysen killed George's mom and Harry couldn't save her. 
    5. Who was the Old Raincoat Killer? Kaysen? Stewart?  "
    1. I believe the zombies were supposed to be the victims of the gas and the Raincoat Killer.
    2. He's invincible to the bullets.
    2.5. As far as we know, no.
    3. I'm guessing he was an evil plant/alien/demon that wanted to wreck shit.
    4. Depending on whether it was before George got the seeds or after, though I would say that Kaysen would use his devilish persuasions.
    5. Well, it's not Kaysen, as he was spreading the gas. So, as the thread discusses, the game claims it is Stewart Senior, but it could have been Harry all along.
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    #20  Edited By Mcfart

    Intresting thread. The ending wasen't clear, and I'm feeling a little more educated after listening to people's analysis.

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