" They're not interested. See, the conflict you're having is normally you just put a cartoonish  stereotype on people on the net who dismiss something you like, but in this case you would be characterizing the GB crew, people you know and like. And you don't know what to do. And just walking away, leaving it alone, never even occurred to you. "

" They approached it the wrong way if you ask me, in an unprofessional way, that's why they really didn't write a review for it. A review should be more than a simple personal opinion, it should rather say if the game is good or not and will it satisfy its target audience. But since they just didn't have the patience to  play the game they thought "The heck with it".  So yeah. The heck with it. "

I have no problem with them not liking it.  The only thing that annoys me is that they havent bothered to discuss or acknowledge alot of the love for that game and give it a proper nod.  They didnt even mention how its gotten goty at gamespot.  
 
No its not a big deal, I just find it odd that they give nearly no notice to the reviews and interest in the game and wont even admit that it could be a great game thats just not for them (Vinny sort of did at least).  They have made a couple off comments to this stuff but never actually discussed it.  I've wanted them too because I think it would be interesting to hear them talk about it.  Doesnt seem like any chance of that though, hehe.

I was kinda upset back when they didn't even do a quicklook for Mega Man 9, but I got over it. 
 
(Well mostly. All I'm saying is there better be one for 10 or I'm gonna... *Dramatic pause* ...make a thread and whine about it.)

" I don't like sports so even if this years Madden is the best Football game ever made I know I won't play it since I don't like football and I don't think people would give me crap for dismissing it because of that. So even if Demon's Souls is a fantastic game (Wouldn't know never played it) I would not expect people who don't like that kind of game to play it before saying that their not interested.  "

" @InfiniteGeass said:

" People have opinions ... Get over it. 

"

Oh, waaaahhhhhh...

Well, since they nominated it to be part of the discussion as best game for the PS3 this year, means they have mad respect for it. It was just too devisive to be in the top 3, so it was cut early from the running. They like the game fine, but couldn't put it at the top of their list because opinions are split.

" @Korosuzo: Some people here are massive fans of this game; I for one, CL60 also, and aliss as well.  "

" @bonbolapti said:

"

I love Demon's Souls, But that's the kind of game I play for myself. 
I would be much happier with it being MY game of the year than anyone elses.

"

well to bad because it is my game of the year also  and gamespot's game of the year and it won several gametrailers awards "

I think it's all a matter of opinion, Jeff doesn't like the Final Fantasys but I do. Doesn't mean any of us is wrong.

They didnt even mention how its gotten goty at gamespot.    No its not a big deal, I just find it odd that they give nearly no notice to the reviews and interest in the game and wont even admit that it could be a great game thats just not for them (Vinny sort of did at least).

" @Snail said:

" They approached it the wrong way if you ask me, in an unprofessional way, that's why they really didn't write a review for it. A review should be more than a simple personal opinion, it should rather say if the game is good or not and will it satisfy its target audience. But since they just didn't have the patience to  play the game they thought "The heck with it".  So yeah. The heck with it. "

Here's the problem with your argument: there is no definition of what "good" is other than opinion.  If it's only going to satisfy its target audience then there's no reason to review it as the review boils down to "If you like games like X you will like X," which isn't a super deep or useful review.  Demon's Souls' target audience does not need to read a review because they already know that they'll like it.  I don't need to read any reviews for Mass Effect 2 because I know it's going to make me ruin my pants, so if Giant Bomb decides that they hate it and don't review it's no skin off my nose.  The most obvious reason for Demon's Souls fans wanting a review from GB is to compare their own views with GB's.  However, the very fact that there is no review is a fairly telling story of their opinion. "

" @trophyhunter said:

" @bonbolapti said:

"

I love Demon's Souls, But that's the kind of game I play for myself. 
I would be much happier with it being MY game of the year than anyone elses.

"

well to bad because it is my game of the year also  and gamespot's game of the year and it won several gametrailers awards "

Fine, maybe I'll just have a different game of the year. And it'll be much better and I'm not going to tell ANYONE. "

The fact of the matter is, Demon's Souls doesn't appeal to a wide audience, so not everyone is going to like it.  Remember who published this game, what they specialize in, and what their business model is like.  The only thing that bugged me was that GB put down DS as a nominee for "Weirdest Game," which made no sense to me.  What's weird about Demon's Souls?

If I have to hear "it's just their opinion" one more goddamn time I'm gonna slit one of you dismissive assholes in the throat.  Are arguments forever null and useless now just because "they're opinions"!?  Opinions mean something to not only the person saying them but to the people listening and that is why we argue them.  It is important to recognize that opinions are malleable and by definition determined by a certain degree of personal bias but they still matter people, come on.
 
The only thing I can complain about is that they dismissed the game more than I would like.  I don't think they made it clear enough that because this game isn't really for any of the guys, they wouldn't do a review justice so they won't.  If told this they more than likely will agree with me but all the coverage amounted to "this game is for crazy people who hate themselves" which isn't fair I think.  Especially given the praise it has been getting which you don't just invent, it has to come from somewhere.  
 
However you do have to respect the fact that they didn't just throw a review up there to piss people off.  They know their limits and the few dismissive comments felt a little unprofessional.  I'm not shocked or really offended though.  The game is getting praise enough as well as sales so I think Demon's Souls will do fine.

" If I have to hear "it's just their opinion" one more goddamn time I'm gonna slit one of you dismissive assholes in the throat.  Are arguments forever null and useless now just because "they're opinions"!?  Opinions mean something to not only the person saying them but to the people listening and that is why we argue them.  It is important to recognize that opinions are malleable and by definition determined by a certain degree of personal bias but they still matter people, come on.  The only thing I can complain about is that they dismissed the game more than I would like.  I don't think they made it clear enough that because this game isn't really for any of the guys, they wouldn't do a review justice so they won't.  If told this they more than likely will agree with me but all the coverage amounted to "this game is for crazy people who hate themselves" which isn't fair I think.  Especially given the praise it has been getting which you don't just invent, it has to come from somewhere.    However you do have to respect the fact that they didn't just throw a review up there to piss people off.  They know their limits and the few dismissive comments felt a little unprofessional.  I'm not shocked or really offended though.  The game is getting praise enough as well as sales so I think Demon's Souls will do fine. "

" @Snail: The bombcasts makes it pretty clear that Dave and Vinny like the game quite a bit.  "

" It ain't their thing.  I'm sure you don't play games that don't interest you.  That is the case here. "

" @Korosuzo: Some people here are massive fans of this game; I for one, CL60 also, and aliss as well. Demon's Souls is a very love/hate game, and whilst I am the former, I can totally understand and appreciate why the latter do so. There are obvious ideas that this game is trying to show, and whilst I personally find the game mechanics rewarding and fascinating, some people may just find it frustrating. I am fiarly certain there are games which you do not like which a lot of people do because of a variety of factors that just seemed to add on to the other gamer's experience. The best we can do is understand.  If you need any help, I'd happily play with you. "

" @arab_prince: You seem to be at a loss at how GB GOTY nominees are generated.  The entire office has to have had an experience with the game.  I would have had a problem with them not putting MW2 on it because they all played it and enjoyed it.  DS on the other hand, half of them didn't play it and of the other half, only one enjoyed it.    The giant issue people seem incapable of getting over is this isn't some definitive statement on the best game of the year (as if there is any in the entire gaming press), but the best the GB office can collectively get behind on. "

" The fact of the matter is, Demon's Souls doesn't appeal to a wide audience, so not everyone is going to like it.  Remember who published this game, what they specialize in, and what their business model is like.  The only thing that bugged me was that GB put down DS as a nominee for "Weirdest Game," which made no sense to me.  What's weird about Demon's Souls? "

@trophyhunter said:

" @bonbolapti said:

" @trophyhunter said:

" @bonbolapti said:

"

I love Demon's Souls, But that's the kind of game I play for myself. 
I would be much happier with it being MY game of the year than anyone elses.

"

well to bad because it is my game of the year also  and gamespot's game of the year and it won several gametrailers awards "

Fine, maybe I'll just have a different game of the year. And it'll be much better and I'm not going to tell ANYONE. "

whats that going to be lemon's bouls "

psssh no, that game's too hard.

If you had listened to the GOTY podcast, you'd know that it WAS in the running.  However, it was knocked out early because...lo and behold...they felt three other games were better.  The deliberations they had were both sound and justified completely.

I don't think any of the staff has beaten the game. Plain and simple. I, personally, have never even played it.

who would of thought that a site run by a total of 4 guys (mainly) wouldn't go for a niche title... what a suprise >_>

I wonder how these guys would have rated Super Mario Bros.  - too difficult because they couldn't learn how to jump?  Too punishing for making you start over?
 
How about Zelda?  The controls are too hard?
 
These guys are casual gamers.  They might have been hardcore before, but I guess they've lost it.  They're a bunch of casual old farts now, who don't have the time nor patience for games that don't provide instant gratification.

I guess it's just not that hard to find 3 people who don't like a niche game.

" @Turambar said:

" @Whisperkill said:

" Yeah Demon's Souls just isn't fun... "

Yeah, Futurama just isn't a funny show.  You're probably thinking through ten different reasons why that statement is wrong.  Your comment reads a bit like that. "

Okay, I did not find Demon's Souls fun... Happy Now.  And yes I played the game long enough to make a judgment of it. Jesus Christ people get so upset over this thing... its just a fucking video game. "

It's all subjective, personally I hate Hard Games especially Ninja Gaiden and Battletoads, ugh Battletoads, but Demons Souls grabbed me personally quite hard and became suprisingly my second favorite game this year, see my list. However I understand why they didn't like it, dosen't make a strong first impression although quite a funny one (See Quicklook) Just suprised Dave hasn't talked more about it, seems like his type of game. 

" If I have to hear "it's just their opinion" one more goddamn time I'm gonna slit one of you dismissive assholes in the throat.  Are arguments forever null and useless now just because "they're opinions"!?  Opinions mean something to not only the person saying them but to the people listening and that is why we argue them.  It is important to recognize that opinions are malleable and by definition determined by a certain degree of personal bias but they still matter people, come on.  The only thing I can complain about is that they dismissed the game more than I would like.  I don't think they made it clear enough that because this game isn't really for any of the guys, they wouldn't do a review justice so they won't.  If told this they more than likely will agree with me but all the coverage amounted to "this game is for crazy people who hate themselves" which isn't fair I think.  Especially given the praise it has been getting which you don't just invent, it has to come from somewhere.    However you do have to respect the fact that they didn't just throw a review up there to piss people off.  They know their limits and the few dismissive comments felt a little unprofessional.  I'm not shocked or really offended though.  The game is getting praise enough as well as sales so I think Demon's Souls will do fine. "

Demon's Souls is certainly one of the most talked about game releases of 2009, and being nearly ignored by the Giant Bomb guys is probably more upseting than giving the game a negative review. I was also puzzled by not seing it even mentioned at the PS3 GOTY section, so the question must be on a lot of people's minds as well.   
 
Yes, the game is my favorite PS3 game so far (even more than Uncharted 2? yup!) and it's one of the most original multiplayer experiences of the past year, both coop and pvp, and an epic single player adventure full of memorable stuff in it. 
 
And let´s admit it, it's not THAT hard, it's one of the most fair games i've played.

"  Rogue Warrior is more deserving of a review?  "

" @Ineedaname: I guess Zelda and Diablo are niche games as well eh? "

" Yeah Demon's Souls just isn't fun... "

its called an opinion

It's not their type of game. Jeff gave it a shot and didn't like it, case closed. It's a niche title only certain type of play will love it, besides just putting it on a list as one of best PS3 exclusives says a lot.
Move on.