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#1 Posted by snide (2413 posts) -

Hey all -


We're barreling through moderation, but as you might have noticed are failing to meet our 24 hour goal. Please be patient with us as we make it through this first week. There is nothing more that we want to do then approve submissions as quickly as possible.

What we have planned


We're going to open up some of our mod tools to you guys hopefully by the end of the week. We'll likely start with the image queue tools where we're currently building a fun little mini-game so people can anonymously vote on the approval / rejection of content. Yes, there will be a points component to it and yes, we'll provide some failsafes in there to make sure it can't be abused.

Right now we're just hustling to create clever ways to deal with submissions and get our approval times down as low as possible. Thanks of course for submitting such awesome content, for the most part it's been awesome, but as you can guess, there are some stinkers out there along with some poor submissions made just because people didn't understand the tools. We'd rather make sure we keep the quality high, then just rushing through all this so thanks for waiting it out.

Updating the Help page


I'll be updating the help page today and removing the stickies on the board. If you'd like to help out please provide your suggestions for questions on this topic.
#2 Posted by Freakboy (10 posts) -

Cool, thanks for the update!

#3 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

Whoa, so If I submit a solid screenshot or image of a game, if some people decide to be jerks, It won't get posted

Im against the idea

Thanks for the update snide

#4 Posted by banksrob (1126 posts) -

thx for the update

#5 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

This will turn into an issue

Good content will never make it now

Some will but alot is goning to be missed because (and I understand) you guys cant handle 20,000 plus submissions a week. I wish you guys had like a bot or something. I submitted alot of good screens and im worried now.

#6 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -

Thanks snide.

#7 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

ALSO

What if someone finds a few screens of a very old obscure game?

Now it aint ever gonna see the light of day on the site

#8 Posted by snide (2413 posts) -

BlackWater, don't worry. We're on it. The image mod stuff will be completely anonymous on both sides. We've actually got a great idea for it and I'm pretty sure it will greatly alleviate the image wait times.

#9 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -
CaLe said:
"BlackWaterCO said:
"ALSO

What if someone finds a few screens of a very old obscure game?

Now it aint ever gonna see the light of day on the site"
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure he means that people will have the ability to reject images that are obviously not meant for the site. Most of gaming related images will get approved, I'm sure.
"
I Know, but im talking about the people who come here just to be jerks and immature like dawhiteasian, you know he's just gonna hit reject on everything and people who toss up a few good screens that get rejected because some stuck up nerd thinks they look too grainy or doesnt capture said game...its just a little worrysome too me thats all
#10 Posted by ManMadeGod (1590 posts) -

Well I just sent in a huge fix to one of the game's pages and I hope it gets accepted. Ehhh, I just can't wait until I get 1,000 points and have the freedom to edit the pages when I want.
Right now I don't mind waiting a day or 2 for my stuff to get posted.

#11 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -

@snide
As far as the points component goes, I can see it being more points for a higher approval rating of the image. Higher quality images = more points. Also for people who rate images, 1 point for each image you rate can be an incentive for more people to get involved.

#12 Posted by Locke (330 posts) -
Thanks for the update. I'm interested to see what this mini game will be.
#13 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -
Locke said:
"Thanks for the update. I'm interested to see what this mini game will be."

Why all bold?
#14 Posted by Tovan (633 posts) -
BlackWaterCO said:
"CaLe said:
"BlackWaterCO said:
"ALSO

What if someone finds a few screens of a very old obscure game?

Now it aint ever gonna see the light of day on the site"
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure he means that people will have the ability to reject images that are obviously not meant for the site. Most of gaming related images will get approved, I'm sure.
"
I Know, but im talking about the people who come here just to be jerks and immature like dawhiteasian, you know he's just gonna hit reject on everything and people who toss up a few good screens that get rejected because some stuck up nerd thinks they look too grainy or doesnt capture said game...its just a little worrysome too me thats all
"
More than one person would need to vote it down, the good people here outweigh the bad
#15 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -

Being that this is still the beta, I think this is the perfect time to test this feature. If all goes awry, the feature can still be dropped.

#16 Posted by MichaelScott (193 posts) -
MasterSplinter said:
"@snide
As far as the points component goes, I can see it being more points for a higher approval rating of the image. Higher quality images = more points. Also for people who rate images, 1 point for each image you rate can be an incentive for more people to get involved.
"
That sounds like a good system . :)

I like the idea of the voting this it would definitely help with the speed of getting things approved.
#17 Posted by Xelloss (213 posts) -

Sounds good, I bet its hard going through 129k images :/ Hopefully some of my over 24 images submissions can go through.

#18 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
Tovan51 said:
"BlackWaterCO said:
"CaLe said:
"BlackWaterCO said:
"ALSO

What if someone finds a few screens of a very old obscure game?

Now it aint ever gonna see the light of day on the site"
What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure he means that people will have the ability to reject images that are obviously not meant for the site. Most of gaming related images will get approved, I'm sure.
"
I Know, but im talking about the people who come here just to be jerks and immature like dawhiteasian, you know he's just gonna hit reject on everything and people who toss up a few good screens that get rejected because some stuck up nerd thinks they look too grainy or doesnt capture said game...its just a little worrysome too me thats all
"
More than one person would need to vote it down, the good people here outweigh the bad
"
I agree with you Tovan. The image approval system should be on percentage basis. The higher percentage of approval the higher chance of the image being accepted. The site is not out to get you BlackWater. Not everyone is going to be corrupt. Like I said before, now is the perfect time to test this.
#19 Posted by WizzyKid (259 posts) -

"We'll likely start with the image queue tools where we're currently building a fun little mini-game so people can anonymously vote on the approval / rejection of content. Yes, there will be a points component to it and yes, we'll provide some failsafes in there to make sure it can't be abused."

That just sounds so awsome. I think that should be a listed concept itself.

#20 Posted by AndrewP (89 posts) -
BlackWaterCO said:
"Whoa, so If I submit a solid screenshot or image of a game, if some people decide to be jerks, It won't get posted

Im against the idea

Thanks for the update snide"
I would assume that there's going to be more than 1 person voting on images. I think 20 or so people voting on 1 image would be around the right amount and if 5 or 6 vote no then the image gets rejected.
#21 Posted by Shade (117 posts) -

Sounds good man, thanks for the update.

#22 Posted by snide (2413 posts) -

Everyone who wants to participate on approving / rejecting images will have an opportunity. And yes, it will be a multi step process for each and every image that goes through. Just because one person says an image can't be added doesn't mean the next person will think the same.

#23 Posted by BlackWaterCO (1574 posts) -

I guess you guys are right, as long as they don't say who the screenshot is from

Because I know theres one or two people who dislike me, maybe more

#24 Posted by Jensonb (1770 posts) -

Thanks for the update

#25 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -

My guess is that there will be "x" amount of votes required to be considered. If the approval rating falls below a certain percentage, it will be automatically filtered out. If it is above a certain percentage, it will go straight through to submissions moderators who will have the final verdict. At least that is my theory.

#26 Posted by Otacon (2209 posts) -

Cool, this system should work, thanks for the update.

#27 Posted by MagusMaleficus (1050 posts) -

I hope none of my submissions are these "stinkers" of which you speak...

#28 Posted by Lemmywinks_360 (66 posts) -

cool. thanks for the update snide

#29 Edited by TheBeast (1931 posts) -
Snide: I've added answers to the questions that seem to be popping up a lot on an FAQ here - feel free to rephrase/use any questions/answers from there.

Good news on the moderation front - great idea to hand moderation down to the users - looking forward to seeing the results!

Are there plans to allow users to do some backseat moderating on other things? Such as 'reporting' posts and topics with some description of the problem (wrong forum, offensive, etc.), reporting wrong images, rating reviews, etc?
#30 Posted by MsCortana (429 posts) -

Thanks for keeping us up to speed on things. :D

#31 Posted by deskp (453 posts) -

minigame! woho!!

#32 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
TheBeast said:
"Snide: I've added answers to the questions that seem to be popping up a lot on an FAQ here - feel free to rephrase/use any questions/answers from there.

Good news on the moderation front - great idea to hand moderation down to the users - looking forward to seeing the results!

Are there plans to allow users to do some backseat moderating on other things? Such as 'reporting' posts and topics with some description of the problem (wrong forum, offensive, etc.), reporting wrong images, rating reviews, etc?
"
You can report those things to them directly via PM. As far as wrong images, I believe the best you can do is edit it yourself and submit the corrections.
#33 Posted by Player1 (3909 posts) -

thanks for the update

#34 Posted by ethan (776 posts) -

I cant wait to see what I come up with. 

#35 Posted by DappaDizzle (179 posts) -

thanks for the update snide

#36 Posted by roofy (1005 posts) -

thanks for the update Snide.

any word on forum moderators?

#37 Edited by Foil_Charizard (345 posts) -
ethan said:
"I cant wait to see what I come up with. 
"
XD, neither can we.

BTW: As far as making moderations and submissions for both the users and the staff easier, I think a good idea would be giving users the ability to withdraw or edit their submissions. That way when someone makes a mistake on a submission they can scrap it or edit it a bit to make it  better or more complete, I think this would probably help cut back on the number of subs you guys get as well as encouraging more complete, higher quality submissions.
#38 Posted by ExoM7 (173 posts) -

Good idea. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Plus, you don't want the mods to be overloaded.

#39 Posted by Peewi (411 posts) -
ethan said:
"I cant wait to see what I come up with. 
"

I don't think anyone can.
#40 Posted by ManMadeGod (1590 posts) -

Or how about you just put a cap on the number of pictures a user can upload in 1 day?
Something like 0-500 points users can only upload 5 per day, 500-1000 can only upload 10. Maybe a little more then that, but you get the idea.

I saw this one user who said he has uploaded over 500 pics already. I mean dam, that's a lot of photos from 1 user. Even if you let us vote there is still going to be hundreds of photos everyday that get uploaded and there is no way we can/want to keep up with all of that.

#41 Posted by chililili (1328 posts) -

Seems good it would otherwise take a very long time to get anything posted.

#42 Posted by MrMiyamoto (1272 posts) -

Well there goes my Mindfuck images...
62 images down to 1, man that bums me out...

#43 Posted by SmAsH (234 posts) -

Another awesome way to involve the community, GiantBomb, just gets better and better.

#44 Posted by hughesie27 (193 posts) -

Looking forward to seeing new screenshots we can vote for. As long as it isn't some stupid rating system like 3 stars out of 5 ect!

#45 Posted by kcwsk8 (66 posts) -

nice to know

#46 Posted by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
@snide
Will there be a way for users to easily see the image gallery of the picture that is being voted on? I think this could be beneficial because if there is already a highly similar or exact duplicate image of the one being voted on, it could make it much easier to filter out those duplicates. I think the end result would be less unnecessary work for submissions moderators.
#47 Edited by davecuk (158 posts) -

Sounds an interesting concept, I just hope you guys manage to put together a system which is balanced enough as to not be open to abuse. I don't suppose you would care to elaborate on how the points component will work or is nothing finalised?

Have you guys also considered the request by Djungelurban for a feature where users could delete their pending submissions? This would cut down on the amount of submissions the staff had to deal with as users could delete their submission if they realised they had made a mistake or someone had gotten their submission approved before them etc. The link for the original feature request thread is http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/bug-reporting/33/request-deleting-submissions/3008/

#48 Posted by LightYagami245 (1117 posts) -

Thanks for the info. I have a question though, what about adding characters to a game's character page when the characters are not in your database? Can you guys allow us to create the characters that are not in there already?

#49 Edited by MasterSplinter (636 posts) -
LightYagami245 said:
"Thanks for the info. I have a question though, what about adding characters to a game's character page when the characters are not in your database? Can you guys allow us to create the characters that are not in there already?
"
Yes you can submit a character page for the moderators to approve, by going to the characters section and select to add a new character. If you character is submitted, then you can edit it's information and add it to the game's character page you want.
#50 Posted by LightYagami245 (1117 posts) -
MasterSplinter said:
"LightYagami245 said:
"Thanks for the info. I have a question though, what about adding characters to a game's character page when the characters are not in your database? Can you guys allow us to create the characters that are not in there already?
"
Yes you can submit a character page for the moderators to approve, by going to the characters section and select to add a new character. If you character is submitted, then you can edit it's information and add it to the game's character page you want.
"
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking of adding a few, but when I tried to type in the name, it didn't appear.