Giant Bomb never played Doom

" @JazGalaxy:  Your nostalgia is blinding you if you really think modern games have not surpassed Doom.  Or do you just mean modern FPS's don't use the same mechanics?  They don't use the same mechanics because they have better ones.  I mean what are you saying here, that if Jeff had played Doom without cheats start to finish we would have given Modern Warfare 2 a 4 out of 5?  What mechanics are you even talking about?  And I don't think you understand what gold standard means.  That means the very best, hands down, that everything else should aspire to half as good as it.  Most modern FPS surpass Doom by default.  You are right in thinking that no other FPS has changed video games as dramatically as Doom, but that is because it was the first one.  And it was fucking awesome for it's time.  But yeah, the longer I type, the more I think you are trolling.  Doom is not the best FPS ever, maybe the most influential, but not the best.    And I still don't understand why them playing it with cheats somehow makes them less credible.  Now that I think about it, Brad even said buying Doom on a whim is what got him into games.  I really want you to reply to this post because I don't think you have made your thoughts very clear here.  Or you have and you are just plain wrong by any non-crazy person standards. "  

Hey guys, I'm 10 years old, let me insult all you old farts by yelling "NOSTALGIA" as much as possible because I'm literally 10 years old and everything I learned about debating I learned on the internet, which is the gold standard of serious debating.  Also, I have self-diagnosed Assburger's Syndrome.

I just played through a bit of Doom today. Just beat episode 2 a few hours ago without cheats. Will start episode 3 tomorrow.
 
I honestly don't care if the GB crew used cheats or not when they played the game.  Challenge was not the main point of the game. The point was to chainsaw demons in the face while running around at 900 miles per hour dodging tens of projectiles coming from every direction.  The point is to feel badass.
 
That said, I'm kind of sad that they don't make games like that anymore.  Doom really was one of, if not, the fastest FPS games ever made.  Ever since then, between making games accessible and attempting to suspend our disbelief, FPSes have gradually gotten slower and slower.  I'd like to see someone try to return to form... I'd be really interested to see a modern game with all of the trappings that made Doom awesome.
 
Here is an excellent article and an interesting read written by one of the designers of Bioshock.  He explains why DOOM is much more unique than many of the FPS games we see today.
 http://vectorpoem.com/news/?p=74

Doom is overated.
 
Theres definitely alot more to fps than doom.
 
That said, i dont trust a goddam thing the GB staff say about pc gaming ever. Console kids all around. (except  dave snider ofcourse, what a prince of a man)

" I just played through a bit of Doom today. Just beat episode 2 a few hours ago without cheats. Will start episode 3 tomorrow.  I honestly don't care if the GB crew used cheats or not when they played the game.  Challenge was not the main point of the game. The point was to chainsaw demons in the face while running around at 900 miles per hour dodging tens of projectiles coming from every direction.  The point is to feel badass.  That said, I'm kind of sad that they don't make games like that anymore.  Doom really was one of, if not, the fastest FPS games ever made.  Ever since then, between making games accessible and attempting to suspend our disbelief, FPSes have gradually gotten slower and slower.  I'd like to see someone try to return to form... I'd be really interested to see a modern game with all of the trappings that made Doom awesome.  Here is an excellent article and an interesting read written by one of the designers of Bioshock.  He explains why DOOM is much more unique than many of the FPS games we see today.  http://vectorpoem.com/news/?p=74 "

" @JazGalaxy:   You're right, all of those things are there for players who wish to do them.  I was just saying that I don't think a lot of the charm of the game is lost on people who cheat through it. "

DOOM will always have a special place in my heart.

I always used the cheats on Doom

Not even Doom music could make this thread not full of pretentious assholes. 
 
I've never beat the original Final Fantasy on NES, so I guess that just makes me some asshole who isn't allowed to judge RPGs, right? I've never played Doom 1 at all, so I guess when I like FPS shooters I don't really "understand" them. That's how you and a few others in this thread are coming off, at least to me. However, is Doom important? Fuck yeah. Is it influential? No shit. But to insinuate that not playing through it without cheats means you don't understand it is a logical fallacy. Just saying something doesn't make it true. I've never beat Starcraft: (Well, Brood War) without cheats, but it's probably my favorite game of all time behind Chrono Trigger.

You're pretty much just plain wrong. You don't have to have played doom to appreciate Half Life, which is, in every possible way, a better game. Hell Quake was a better game than Doom. Opinions of superiority aside, you're really taking a stretch here to try and remove the credibility of someone else, and if you're that desperate? Just go hide in a bunker and wait for your inevitable end, because buddy, nobody is going to be able to reach whatever impossible standards you think they should have.

The game still has a lot of appeal with the cheats. It's like playing a Grand Theft Auto, at the end of the day, no one really gives a flying fuck.

" Watching that Quicklook sorta made me want to try it. Can you get it for PC somewhere? "

For GIant Bomb to come out and say they didn't play Doom is similar, I feel, to saying you give the new Star Wars movies 5 stars and then admitting you haven't seen the originals. Or I guess more aptly in this case, you saw them, but only half paid attention to them as they came on television or something.

I used Doom cheats in Heretic and immediately regretted it.    

You start up Doom and then you enter iddqd and idkfa. I can't remember ever playing through the game without cheats. It's kind of messed up when I think about it. I wasn't even ten years old and my parents let me play it.

I played and beat Doom without any cheat codes, didn't play much Doom 2 tho.
In it's heyday it was the most mindblowing game I had ever seen.
I'm pretty indifferent to other people's opinions of it.

 The staff playing through DOOM with cheat codes during adolescence certainly doesn't effect their credibility in my and most sane people's eyes.
 
Also, I played through Doom shortly after its release and I was around 15.  It blew me away.  However, at this point its relevance is as a huge stepping stone that led the genre forward after Wolfenstein 3D but its not the gold standard.  Some pretty major innovations to the genre came after DOOM (you know like being able to actually look up and down) that simply made games in the genre better.  You don't have to go any further than Star Wars Dark Forces to see a better FPS but it owes its existence to DOOM.

... I'd say the more apt comparison would be "reviewing the new Star Wars and then admitting you haven't seen the original Metropolis".  

Let's sing the Doom song! 
 
Sorry wrong idea. I have played doom, though I was rather young when it came out (4ish?). My granddad was a really big Wolfenstein 3d player though, mapping out the entire game.

not playing Doom without cheat codes doesn't mean you don't understand how to point and shoot
it's just a videogame

Playing doom with cheat codes would kind of ruin it in my opinion....I just hate cheats in general.....and doom was and probably will always be one of if not my favorite FPS game of all time.

I played it with no prior knowledge of it, and i had no idea you could cheat. Didn't complete it either though, i was only 9 or 10 :(

You didn't need to cheat in doom - you had quicksave on F2 which was almost like cheating.  If you do cheat on it you're really robbing yourself of the fun.  The game is fucking fun.  I fired it up the other day and it's uncomplicated shootin' shit fun.  Once you've got good on it at ultra violence you can drop down the skill level and basically take the piss.
 
Now Serious Sam... that was shit.

" I used Doom cheats in Heretic and immediately regretted it.     "

I can understand why you were really into to Doom as it was a great game for its time, but when I played it I never really saw what all the fuss was about. Though I will say that it is one of the first games that really made me nervous/scared and got my heart pounding.