#1 Edited by TournamentOfHate (422 posts) -

Conan O'Brien plays Tomb Raider.

#2 Posted by Blu3V3nom07 (4184 posts) -

I don't think China cares.

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#3 Posted by LikeaSsur (1506 posts) -

Conan O' Brian is a refreshing view, it lets us gamers see how non-gamers react to certain things that we would just overlook entirely.

Incidentally, that river death was brutal, I cringed every single time.

#4 Posted by oraknabo (1457 posts) -

Why not?

#6 Posted by Bocam (3705 posts) -
#7 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -

They're still making this game with a focus on Lara as an object of desire; I am not shocked.

#8 Edited by Pr1mus (3855 posts) -

Well there you have it people, video games make Conan O'Brien violent and sexist! Someone call Fox News.

That was great, i love these.

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#9 Edited by ArtelinaRose (1850 posts) -

@likeassur said:

Incidentally, that river death was brutal, I cringed every single time.

I am sure I have said it before, but things like that are absolutely unnecessary and only serve to humiliate the player for making a split second mistake. Failing a QTE and having to watch my character be brutally murdered or trial and erroring my way down a river where any mistake means I have to watch an extended clip of my character getting their head impaled and struggling to remove it before falling limp does nothing to improve how I feel about playing your game. All it does is hold my face down in the mud and say "look at this, you made a mistake, watch them suffer, you deserve this." It has never once contributed positively to any video game experience.

/rantrantrant

#10 Posted by Azteck (7449 posts) -

That video was fucking hilarious. Conans reactions were priceless.

#11 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -

That ending was hilarious.

They're still making this game with a focus on Lara as an object of desire; I am not shocked.

Yes she has a cleavage and a slim fit body that makes her an object of desire, yup exactly.

#12 Posted by oraknabo (1457 posts) -

@bocam: I think you are grossly overestimating Patrick's sensitivity.

#13 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4961 posts) -

@oraknabo said:

@bocam: I think you are grossly overestimating Patrick's sensitivity.

Is he?

#14 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -
#15 Posted by Yummylee (21464 posts) -

Ha, I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the video. Conan's not wrong, though. For as much of a gritty, semi-realistic reboot that this is, Lara is still plenty sexualised and could still be characterised as a 'pinup video game character'.

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#16 Posted by Winternet (8012 posts) -

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

Fuck me, right?

#17 Posted by AlexanderSheen (4961 posts) -
#18 Edited by Jams (2960 posts) -

Man I was laughing through the whole thing. Too bad Conan can be hit or miss sometimes.

#19 Posted by President_Barackbar (3448 posts) -

@artemesia: I agree with you 100%. Stuff like that always really bothered me about certain games.

#20 Posted by Bocam (3705 posts) -

@oraknabo said:

@bocam: I think you are grossly overestimating Patrick's sensitivity.

Is he?

I'll give Patrick the benefit of the doubt.

#21 Posted by Yummylee (21464 posts) -

@oraknabo said:

@bocam: I think you are grossly overestimating Patrick's sensitivity.

Is he?

This is the same guy whom I believe condemned that Cyberpunk announcement trailer as being sexist after all. It was during the Anarchy Reigns TNT I think?

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#22 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -

@yummylee said:

Ha, I was thinking the same thing when I first saw the video. Conan's not wrong, though. For as much of a gritty, semi-realistic reboot that this is, Lara is still plenty sexualised and could still be characterised as a 'pinup video game character'.

Watch out, or Officegamer might agree with you, sarcastically.

#24 Edited by Bocam (3705 posts) -

@yummylee said:
@alexandersheen said:

@oraknabo said:

@bocam: I think you are grossly overestimating Patrick's sensitivity.

Is he?

This is the same guy whom I believe condemned that Cyberpunk announcement trailer as being sexist after all. It was during the Anarchy Reigns TNT I think?

It was during the "I Love Mondays" after the trailer was released. I totally forgot about that. (To be fair, Ryan also said it was sexist.)

#25 Posted by guiseppe (2840 posts) -

Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.

#26 Posted by Humanity (9006 posts) -

Oh come on guys, does she need to be wearing a turtleneck sweater to not be viewed as an object of desire? It's a female character, she needs to resemble a female. Sometimes I just think some gamers are too immature to handle women in video games. When I played Grand Theft Auto or Uncharted I wasn't spinning the camera around to check out Drakes ass all the time and I don't think a lot of female gamers were either. At a certain point it's as important what the player brings to the table as what the game does. If you want to play a game like this spinning the camera around gawking at polygon breasts and butt that's really on you, not the developer.

#27 Edited by zenmastah (887 posts) -

Ooh yeah baby!

#28 Posted by TooWalrus (13151 posts) -

Oh no, someone's making fun of a games questionable game and character design.

He also made fun of old people, his bearded companion, and himself for being a pervert. I don't watch his show very often, but I do think Conan's pretty a pretty funny guy... and that Tomb Raider looks great.

#29 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -
#30 Edited by Brodehouse (9763 posts) -

Lara falling off heights and crashing into spikes is... Kind of a series tradition. This is just the problem with more photorealism. When she ragdolls all crazy it's fun video games time. When she gets stuck real brutal now it's serious business.

Also sexualized? You people won't be happy until women are wearing burkas.

#31 Posted by Daveyo520 (6674 posts) -

So just being a woman is too sexy for you guys?

#32 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -
#33 Edited by Yummylee (21464 posts) -
@guiseppe said:

Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.

Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticising the fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about lampooning how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.

This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.

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#34 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -

Listen to this without watching the video:

#35 Posted by TyCobb (1960 posts) -

That was great.

#36 Posted by stryker1121 (1391 posts) -

That outfit ain't practical, I'll grant Conan that much. The titty shots and tight pants are going to get their run in some media circles, you can bank on it.. but more "shocking" is the river death and some of Lara's "finisher" kills I saw on the GT review. Brutal as hell, almost unnecessarily so.

#37 Posted by OfficeGamer (1087 posts) -
#38 Posted by psylah (2164 posts) -

So just being a woman is too sexy for you guys?

This.

#39 Posted by Yummylee (21464 posts) -

That outfit ain't practical, I'll grant Conan that much. The titty shots and tight pants are going to get their run in some media circles, you can bank on it.. but more "shocking" is the river death and some of Lara's "finisher" kills I saw on the GT review. Brutal as hell, almost unnecessarily so.

I kinda like the nasty death animations. Well, maybe ''like'' is the wrong way to put it, but I feel that they at least fit. Considering that this is supposed to be a sorta/kinda survival game, making the world feel grim, makeshift and downright cruel only adds to the atmosphere. I've said this before, but summing it up I think Tomb Raider basically resembles what an Uncharted game mixed in with the brutality from The Last of Us would look like.

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#40 Edited by Alekss (327 posts) -

@artemesia: I wonder if you would think the same if it was a guy.

#41 Posted by guiseppe (2840 posts) -

@yummylee said:
@guiseppe said:

Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.

Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticising the fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.

This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.

Right, but have you ever heard anyone complaining about him being just that? I mean prior to all the comparisons between him and Lara. I sure haven't. She doesn't have mega-cleavage, ok, she does, but not unrealistically mega. As for her clothing, I haven't played the game but from what I've seen, it doesn't look like she brought her wardrobe, and it looks like wherever she gets stranded crashes doesn't just have the optimal clothing laying around. Sure she gets dirty, doesn't Drake? Wouldn't anyone, regardless of gender in her situation? Also, the world is doomed with or without Lara's cleavage.

#42 Posted by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -

@guiseppe: The game is doing well in reviews so I think you can stay hyped regardless of this stuff. :) The main character is an attractive woman and there'll always be different opinions on whether what is in the game is there to play on that fact, or not.

#43 Edited by BRNK (307 posts) -

You guys are too rich. Patrick hasn't done something for you to bitch about in the last 24 hours, so you roleplay how you think he might feel about a subject and then bitch about that. Y'all are obsessed with this man.

#44 Edited by Oscar__Explosion (2230 posts) -

Never had a problem with the sexualization. That river death though made me cringe every single time. It's weird how if this were any other game I'm willing to bet that it wouldn't show your character just limping there waiting to die like it does in Tomb Raider. I get the developers want you to feel Lara pain, but it can be a bit much.

#45 Posted by ArtelinaRose (1850 posts) -

@alekss said:

@artemesia: I wonder if you would think the same if it was a guy.

Cute. I hated it in RE4/5, I hated it in Dead Space, I hated it in The Witcher 2. It can really, really ruin a play session for me. It's the same thing as enemies taunting you when you die or elaborate game over screens that rub in the fact that you screwed up(looking at you, Arkham Asylum/City), only needlessly violent.

#46 Edited by Funkydupe (3311 posts) -

@brnk: I haven't seen anyone mention Patrick beyond the thread starter. So your beef is with him. I don't see why he had to mention Patrick either.

If anything, it is the rest of us taking flack for having an opinion that is on edge with what the women here feel about it. As long as I can say what my own opinion is, I will, even if that means taking a series of hits for doing so.

#47 Posted by guiseppe (2840 posts) -

@guiseppe: The game is doing well in reviews so I think you can stay hyped regardless of this stuff. :) The main character is an attractive woman and there'll always be different opinions on whether what is in the game is there to play on that fact, or not.

Oh, I'll stay hyped alright, nothing can take that away from me. I just think all this other stuff is ridiculous :).

#48 Posted by Yummylee (21464 posts) -
@guiseppe said:

@yummylee said:
@guiseppe said:

Oh come on. All you People claiming that this game is all about masturbating to Lara, just give it up. You are being ridiculous. If everything Lara says, does, sounds and acts like in this game had been done by a man, you wouldn't hear a peep about all this objectifying nonsense. Lara is a woman, if a woman gets impaled by a log through her neck or breaks her legs, you can be damned sure she's going to moan about it just as much as a man would. Finally, aren't the people noticing all this crap really the ones (if any) who are objectifying her? Enough already, I for one am hyped for this game.

Way to blow your top. Lara is sexualised just as much as, say, Nathan Drake for the most obvious example, edit: and Nathan Drake is still a rugged, handsome, sexy kinda fella -- hey, as a hetero guy I ain't 'fraid to admit it!. And I'm not criticising the fact that Lara still has mega-cleavage or wears pants that show off her well sculpted derrière. If anything I'm just pointing out the slight hypocrisy many people have about how insanely sexualised classic Lara was when this new iteration is still wearing a low cut top--and will apparently continue to wear it during freezing temperatures--and still manages to look pretty good despite all of the hardships she goes through. She gets all dirty and stuff, but then that could also only add to her sex appeal in some cases.

This is specifically why I loathe opening my mouth in such topics, because there's always going to be someone who takes something said in the wrong way and then everything blows up and the world is doomed as we know it.

Right, but have you ever heard anyone complaining about him being just that? I mean prior to all the comparisons between him and Lara. I sure haven't. She doesn't have mega-cleavage, ok, she does, but not unrealistically mega. As for her clothing, I haven't played the game but from what I've seen, it doesn't look like she brought her wardrobe, and it looks like wherever she gets stranded crashes doesn't just have the optimal clothing laying around. Sure she gets dirty, doesn't Drake? Wouldn't anyone, regardless of gender in her situation? Also, the world is doomed with or without Lara's cleavage.

But who's complaining?? That's what has gotten me frustrated, because as this thread's gone on everybody's dog-piling against criticisms in this thread that don't exist. I'm only speaking for myself here, though, but my original comment was purely observational.

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#49 Posted by RazielCuts (2943 posts) -

@psylah said:

@daveyo520 said:

So just being a woman is too sexy for you guys?

This.

Yup, this. I think it was more Conan's inferences than the games, the only thing that 'shocked' me was that brutal head spike at the end, ouch.

#50 Posted by Alekss (327 posts) -

@brnk: I can bet my life he will have a problem with the way Lara is depicted in this game.