The Emo Kid, Troll, and Hacker in All of Us

@Shaanyboi: How's posting straight outta reddit going for you?

@JarretttheGuy: Agreed. Having a very real punishment for banning is harsh, but it would be a good lesson to learn fast.

@Shaanyboi said:

@Animasta said:

@Shaanyboi said:

@martyarf said:

@Lokishot said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Right, because the use of the word "whore" (especially considering the context of the article, and that it's in conjunction to form the word camwhore) is obviously directed at all women, everywhere.

Just like if I call someone a "dick", all men everywhere may feel offended because I'm OBVIOUSLY talking about them.

Grow up.

yes because whore and dick have the same connotations.

Well they're both "gendered insults". No, actually not really. Whore can apply to both a male AND female, so there goes Martyarf's argument.

And again, we're not even talking about the word "whore". It's not like Patrick's title was "Yo! This one person is a real whore!" No, the word was 'camwhore', which is a word with its OWN connotations (as opposed to someone who is either sexually premiscuous, or is a prostitute), and its own context considering that he's talking about the game Forumwarz where that is the name of a "character class".

If you're getting all upset about something that CLEARLY has its own context, then you need to rethink your priorities. Hell, let's get all upset about the word 'Emo Kid' which demeans all the sad, whiny teenagers out there while we're at it?

so? just because it's the name of a character class doesn't mean it needs to be in the article header.

Also dick can apply to both as well, but manwhore is usually used for a whore who is a man so I don't know where you are they just use whore for both sexes interchangeably.

Also who said anyone was upset? Removing it has no affect on you, so I don't know why you're getting upset :)

@rebgav said:

@Make_Me_Mad said:

@sephirm87 said:

@Make_Me_Mad:

In a way, you're right, but the anonymity of the internet allows people to see how shitty people really are at their core. It is more honest, but it is also more shitty, which says very bad things about our culture.

Exactly. If we're all this shitty and displeased and downright angry with each other when we can be honest, why do we keep up the facade that we're all civil and reasonable?

People are mostly civil and reasonable when they aren't being reactive and willfully ignorant. The nature of the internet promotes the latter so everyone chooses to indulge at some point because there are no meaningful consequences for that behavior. The extrapolation that everyone is walking around barely containing their inner savage-malcontent is really silly.

The Internet is designed to draw the angry, willfully ignorant, reactive people of the world. The fucked in the head folks who got a brutal pounding from life and want to vent their rage anonymously. IMO they're a minority but they speak w/ the loudest voice. People w/ their shit together generally don't troll online, i'd wager. My point is that message boards and the comments found under news stories are not some reflection of society.

Tricky "eXtremer" Klepek.

Thanks Tricky. I'm enjoying this kind of content.

If i pay for a monthly subscription does this give me access to the true article beginning that has whore in it?

Wait a minute, it was on the site already? just locked behind a paywall? fuck this shit!

Kidding aside, i think the comment's stating that there's nothing you can gather about people from the forumwarz game that can not be simply gathered from visiting an actual forum (giantbomb included) are mostly true, i guess this just gives people that want to act out their retarded whorish/trollish natures out behind the safety of it being their 'mission'.

Though i believe system wars covers that aspect of it in the video game corner, just more depressing cos its real

Joss Whedon has a very strange idea of what art means, apparently. Would have thought he of all people would know better than that.

@Tennmuerti said:

@Lokishot: Not really appropriate in this particular case, since several people have seen the originator of the "whore" comment for a pretty obvious light hearted trolling it was. As well as the success of the troll not only being determined by the replies taking it seriously but also an actual eventual caving in of the OP and changing of content. Cheer up mate :)

Its seems more like one person made a sarcastic comment and everyone else jump in showing their true colors.

@martyarf said:

@TyCobb said:

@Kixxi said:

@DaveC524 said:

Why use the word "whore" Patrick? Phh... misogynistic male privilege.

Really inappropriate for a front page headline, at least to anyone not knowing what the article is about. Felt insulting.

I agree "whore" is a horrible word and should never be used. There are much better words like "slut", "bitch", "twat", and every woman's favorite, "cunt".

Hilarious! Not at all creepy, weird and hateful.

Because if stuff like that is trolling... Man! What is the truth? Am I real? Have I been trolled all my life by Youtube comments?

@Animasta said:

@Shaanyboi said:

yes because whore and dick have the same connotations.

@martyarf said:

People are insulted by the word "whore"? Are you new to the internet or just a home schooled kid?

@Lokishot said:

Or maybe you're a woman who doesn't like to see gendered insults in a totally inappropriate context?

Right, because the use of the word "whore" (especially considering the context of the article, and that it's in conjunction to form the word camwhore) is obviously directed at all women, everywhere.

Just like if I call someone a "dick", all men everywhere may feel offended because I'm OBVIOUSLY talking about them.

Grow up.

I have a hard time believing that everyone insulted by the word "whore" are trolling.

These comments are the fucking worst sort of pseudo-intellectual "I art more emotionally detached than thou" crap. I NEED A HERO!

Because if stuff like that is trolling... Man! What is the truth? Am I real? Have I been trolled all my life by Youtube comments?

I have a hard time believing that everyone insulted by the word "whore" are trolling.

It's nice hearing someone talk about their creation, but I just don't see a logical middle or end of this article. What was the point? What happened to the two moderators that argued about banning a user? Am I really sleepy or was thus just all over the place..

whores

whores

whores

whores

whores

whores

Reading all the comments on this post made my day. lol

I played a little bit of forumwarz, but I didn't get to the real part I guess. I think it's a really cool experiment and I can't wait to hear what's going to happen next.

That's an awesome ending for a video game.

@Damian said:

Emo Kid, Troll, Hacker, and ________ in all of us.

- Cards Against Humanity

9/10 - submit it

This seems like a fairly interesting game. But I sometimes question if the message it is supposedly trying to push actually gets heard. I mean, yeah, people who read this article understand because of Patrick's interview with the creator but if we were to never read this article, would we still get the message? Personally, if I were to play the game I would just think it is a silly commentary/characterisation of the internet, not a critique of the mindless trolling that goes on.

I can confidently say that I have never knowingly trolled anonymously on the internet. I've made jokes but never in a way (at least I hope) that would be considered "trolling". I think the only way for the internet to rid itself of the majority of the trolls is to make their actions actually mean something. Why dont we steal in real life? Because of moral values. How did we acquire those? Through long enculturating processes of that action being punished through socio-cultural means (shunning, or jail time), and economic means (fines). Im not proposing we send internet trolls to jail but I do think to get over this disease, we have to make other people's actions actually mean something to them.

There are lots of people, however, that do already take their actions seriously even if there are no repercussions. I feel that I am one of those people, and probably many other people from the Giant Bomb community also fit this bill. Unfortunately, there are others that are not like this. If it means making life a little harder for the whole to get rid of a few bugs, I totally agree. I feel like it is also the only way to make the internet "better".

I'm about as insulted that the title was changed as most of you idiots seem to be that someone else's words were used. People who dress like skanks and do nothing but show off are camera whores. You know who can be a whore? JUST ABOUT ANYONE. Stop with the bullshit fem movement, I actually KNOW a male whore, where as I do not know a female whore. Whore has fucking nothing to do with women unless you want to whine and bitch about it having anything to do with women. being a cam whore is equally without gender rolls. So fuck off and let the news be the news. If a piece is about something that uses camwhore, that should absolutely be in the title, and removing it is the kind of bowing to idiots that ruins proper journalism. Journalism isn't supposed to be in the comfort zone. This is giantbomb, not CNN. There is profanity to be had. It isn't Patrick saying "haha, fuck women, dirty whores" it's him using something that has context and happens to have a word that insults you even though you have no right to be insulted. Whores are whores, sluts are sluts, and sometimes when I roleplay with my lady, that's me. So stop with the bullshit and get some logic going before you expect journalistic quality to come second to your fucking comfort zone.

I am all for women being strong and dependent and equal. But fuck the brat that says using the word whore is inappropriate just because a lady might read it. That would be like me getting pissed because a site had an article titled "God Hates Fags, at it again." It's ridiculous. If there were no context, fine, using the word whore would be a poor choice, but only because of PROFANITY. Not some bullshit victimization of women. You're not lesser beings, you aren't being insulted constantly. You are treated fairly, kindly, hell some of us even look up to you. So stop trying to make it out like we are out for your head, or worse your dignity, because that simply isn't the case. This is a story written by a journalist, nothing more.

Come to me again when you stop having the choice to marry who you want because of your gender.

And I'm sure I'll come off as a huge prick and sexist for suggesting you idiots aren't victims, but I don't honestly care. It's pathetic, and you people are better than letting a word with context in a journalistic piece of writing to insult you.

I registered...

Man, that Whedon quote at the beginning is so good. I have to steal that and claim it as my own.

Are you cry babies seriously that offended by "camwhore?" It's a specific class in this "game" based on a particular type of individual that *gasp* exists in reality.

Nobody is calling you a whore. Nobody is calling all women whores. Jesus. Grow the fuck up already and perhaps try to wrap your simple minds around the concept of context before getting all bent out of shape for no God damned reason.

I give this article a 6.8.

Also censorship is the literal worst thing you can do in journalism, please don't. It may seem like video games aren't important enough to hold true to that, but they do.

@MordeaniisChaos said:

I'm about as insulted that the title was changed as most of you idiots seem to be that someone else's words were used. People who dress like skanks and do nothing but show off are camera whores. You know who can be a whore? JUST ABOUT ANYONE. Stop with the bullshit fem movement, I actually KNOW a male whore, where as I do not know a female whore. Whore has fucking nothing to do with women unless you want to whine and bitch about it having anything to do with women. being a cam whore is equally without gender rolls. So fuck off and let the news be the news. If a piece is about something that uses camwhore, that should absolutely be in the title, and removing it is the kind of bowing to idiots that ruins proper journalism. Journalism isn't supposed to be in the comfort zone. This is giantbomb, not CNN. There is profanity to be had. It isn't Patrick saying "haha, fuck women, dirty whores" it's him using something that has context and happens to have a word that insults you even though you have no right to be insulted. Whores are whores, sluts are sluts, and sometimes when I roleplay with my lady, that's me. So stop with the bullshit and get some logic going before you expect journalistic quality to come second to your fucking comfort zone.

I am all for women being strong and dependent and equal. But fuck the brat that says using the word whore is inappropriate just because a lady might read it. That would be like me getting pissed because a site had an article titled "God Hates Fags, at it again." It's ridiculous. If there were no context, fine, using the word whore would be a poor choice, but only because of PROFANITY. Not some bullshit victimization of women. You're not lesser beings, you aren't being insulted constantly. You are treated fairly, kindly, hell some of us even look up to you. So stop trying to make it out like we are out for your head, or worse your dignity, because that simply isn't the case. This is a story written by a journalist, nothing more.

Come to me again when you stop having the choice to marry who you want because of your gender.

And I'm sure I'll come off as a huge prick and sexist for suggesting you idiots aren't victims, but I don't honestly care. It's pathetic, and you people are better than letting a word with context in a journalistic piece of writing to insult you.

lolol do you really want to play the oppression olympics?

also we aren't the ones make 3 paragraph long rants about not having a single word on the title of an article, just sayin

He changed the title because people were crying about him using the word 'whore' in context of a 'camwhore'? Give me a break.

He changed the title, but the main thing that bothers me is he didn't even acknowledge the fact that those pictures clearly show 5 character classes...guess he was already trying to avoid a shitstorm from the beginning.

Forumwarz is really still a thing? I can't help but thinking I remember this game being talked about during an episode of GFW Radio.

@Slab64 said:

He changed the title, but the main thing that bothers me is he didn't even acknowledge the fact that those pictures clearly show 5 character classes...guess he was already trying to avoid a shitstorm from the beginning.

to be fair there are 5 classes, one he left out (permanoob) so it's not even that the disinclusion of the camwhore class is relevant

Ahahahhah loving the comments

@Animasta said:

@Slab64 said:

He changed the title, but the main thing that bothers me is he didn't even acknowledge the fact that those pictures clearly show 5 character classes...guess he was already trying to avoid a shitstorm from the beginning.

to be fair there are 5 classes, one he left out (permanoob) so it's not even that the disinclusion of the camwhore class is relevant

Well, in the picture Patrick posted of his own character, his portrait showed the unmentioned 5th class, and it listed his class as "Re-Re" so that's what I was getting at...if the last class is a retard that was SURE to offend way more people than the camwhore thing (where half of the offended parties were only trolling anyway).

@Slab64 said:

@Animasta said:

@Slab64 said:

He changed the title, but the main thing that bothers me is he didn't even acknowledge the fact that those pictures clearly show 5 character classes...guess he was already trying to avoid a shitstorm from the beginning.

to be fair there are 5 classes, one he left out (permanoob) so it's not even that the disinclusion of the camwhore class is relevant

Well, in the picture Patrick posted of his own character, his portrait showed the unmentioned 5th class, and it listed his class as "Re-Re" so that's what I was getting at...if the last class is a retard that was SURE to offend way more people than the camwhore thing (where half of the offended parties were only trolling anyway).

You could probably read into that class that way to be fair... his 'attacks' are banging his head against the keyboard and drooling on it. but no, he's just supposed to symbolize shit posters.

Stewart Lee has said that the last great taboo in comedy is doing something sincerely and well. I think that's the case in online forums, as well. After you spend enough time on any forum every time you show an honest piece of yourself just starts to feel like an opportunity for another anonymous troll to tear you down.

...at least that's what I would have said fifteen minutes ago. Now it seems clear that the last great taboo of online forums is to suggest that disparaging women as camwhores if they show off their bodies might not be a totally well-balanced and mature and unproblematic thing to do.

God damn it, Giant Bomb community.

That text... is a bit heavier than I would have expected from a game....

"Maybe it's for the best."

*Shudders*

Anybody upset by the use of "whore" in the title is an idiot. This is why you're still a virgin.

Holy crap, I forgot I used to know Patrick as eXxy on irc back in the late 90's. Also really enjoyed the article! My only knowledge of forumwarz prior to this article was the random banner ad I'd see on occasion.

I'm always nice to people on the interwebz. Of course, I'm also the type of person that holds the door for strangers and says hello or smiles at people. It's probably why no one ever talks to me.

I can't help but feel there's some sort of meta-joke going on with the people complaining about the title of an article about trolling.

I can't tell who is being facetious in this comments section. Are people really upset over the name of a video game class being mentioned in a list of video game classes? Do people really think the word whore is not offensive to some? Who is the troll here? Is it you? Is it me?!?

Bloody hell, there is a blast from the past. I remember this being covered by GFW Radio back in the day, it was great fun for a while. Glad to see it is still going strong. :)

I played Forumwarz for a while (Camwhore obviously :p), it was pretty cool but didn't hold me for long. Then again not many browser games do so it managed a fairly good run considering that.

Pimp Wars!

@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

I was going to call you a sell-out, but then I realised you're probably trolling too.

Tricky still seems a little bitter about the FGC stuff.

didn't "camwhore" use to be in this article title? I swear I remember raising my eyebrow at that.

edit after reading more: oh. well, I'm glad it's gone, personally.

also, if anyone is seriously getting angry over this, they need to chill the fuck out.

Yo, Adachi what do think about all this?

Trick son, spilling dem beans on forumWarz man... mad rare.

I'm a lurker :)

@patrickklepek said:

I removed "Camwhore" from the headline. It's not important. Moving on!

Way to destroy your artistic integrity by changing the article Patrick. Do you feel terrible about what you have done to your art? Do you?

"Ugh just because a woman decides to display herself on camera it doesn't make her a whore. Stop objectifying women! *jacks off to porn*"