" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Not necessarily, what about those who grew up without a mother and just a father?
Gays should Marry?
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" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Ummm. No they really don't...You know fathers can raise a child without a mother...What would be different about two men raising a child. That child would grow up being one of the few children that don't bash gays.
" @Snail said:Do you even realize what you are saying? It is horrible to grow up without a mother. A motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child, don't give me shit." But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Ummm. No they really don't...You know fathers can raise a child without a mother...What would be different about two men raising a child. That child would grow up being one of the few children that don't bash gays. "
@FrankCanada97 said:
" @Snail said:You think those are happy without a mother?" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Not necessarily, what about those who grew up without a mother and just a father? "
No.
" @CL60 said:What about living without a father? The thing is, if the parents you have a loving and caring, then it doesn't matter if the parents are two fathers or two mothers. There is no evidence to support that you need both a mother and a father, to be raised "correctly". Whatever the hell "correctly" is." @Snail said:Do you even realize what you are saying? It is horrible to grow up without a mother. A motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child, don't give me shit. "" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Ummm. No they really don't...You know fathers can raise a child without a mother...What would be different about two men raising a child. That child would grow up being one of the few children that don't bash gays. "
" @CL60 said:How." @Snail said:Do you even realize what you are saying? It is horrible to grow up without a mother. A motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child, don't give me shit. "" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Ummm. No they really don't...You know fathers can raise a child without a mother...What would be different about two men raising a child. That child would grow up being one of the few children that don't bash gays. "
I'm all for choice. I don't get why the beliefs of some should dictate the way everyone should follow. Same goes for abortion. I'm pro-choice.
" @natetodamax: Seriously?... "You've said a mother is essential to the growth of a child twice, yet you've failed to tell us why that's true.
I used to believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman, but lately that's changed. Fuck it.
Let dudes marry, let chicks marry. Let one dude marry two dudes. Let one guy marry three women at once. Let a woman marry a horse. Let one guy marry another guy, two chicks, and a great Dane. Let a man marry a corpse or a statue.
Who fuckin' cares. The churches can create another term to replace "marriage" as their sacred partnership.
" @natetodamax said:I don't get it....." @Snail said:I think he's implying that it allows them to...You know what, I'd rather hear his explanation. "" @natetodamax: Seriously?... "You've said a mother is essential to the growth of a child twice, yet you've failed to tell us why that's true. "
" I actually voted no. But that's just a preference really: I think that marriage should be religious and traditional. I also believe that drugs (including weed) should be kept illegal. Again, that's just a preference. I'm very conservative in this respect. "To each their own, I guess, I personally think that the religious argument is somewhat antiquated, but that's your opinion.
" @JackiJinx:That's utter pish bud children need positive influences in their childhood, mother/father/, mother/mother, father/father, as long as they are loved and brought up positively, then it doesn't matter what sex their parent (s) are.
@FrankCanada97 said:" @Snail said:You think those are happy without a mother? No. "" But they should not have the right to adopt. No child should have to have two fathers while every one of his/her friends has a mother, a motherly figure is essential in the growth of a child. "Not necessarily, what about those who grew up without a mother and just a father? "
I've known plenty of peeps that have grown up with one parent, both father and mother and they have all become well adjusted members of society.
I speak for myself.
Simply put, I would hate to have two fathers, just one father, just one mother or two mothers. Don't tell me you don't feel the same. Just think of how a kid lives with that, being so different from all other kids. What kind of fucked family it would end up being, how some kids would mock you at school. You would have a broken childhood!
If you won't be happy in such a family there will be other issues than merely not having a mom and a dad. You can be plenty unhappy in a 'normal' family also anyway so, I guess nobody should marry?
As for the broken childhood, only if you live among jerks, in which case you wouldn't be happy anyway. So, because some people are jerks you want to deny their right to a family? The kid would be happier in the orphanage than being adopted by gays? They would have a more normal childhood there? Lol?
Edit: seeing the response under this post, wow, I hope you're 12, because that ignorance and attitude can't be justified in any other way. Like people suggested to go kill someone's mother. What you opposed has absolutely nothing to do with anything like that. They lost a family member, but having no family members, and gaining two, both male or both female, or male and female, will be a blessing, and their happyness will be measured by the love they receive, not the gender it's from. You'd rather they stay in an orphanage or other institution than be adopted by gays because some kids somewhere may make fun of them, and that's at the very least misguided.
" @Snail said:Stop being a dick okay? You can say that because you've had a mother your whole life. I remember having friends up to 6th grade whose mother had died. Don't you think they would prefer to have one? That is beyond obvious, it's not even something you take in consideration!"You think those are happy without a mother? No. "Unless you are speaking from personal experience, you have absolutely no measurement or evidence for this claim. "
If kids were to mock me at school, then forget them, they were obviously not brought up properly by their parents. Again, the only important thing to a child who is alone in this world with no support, is whether or not they will be treated fairly by their new parents. If they have that chance. The sex of the two parents (Hell, might not even be two) is irrelevant.
Oh yeah, now's about time to bring up this study.
I Voted No, I just don't like the word marriage to be used for gays being joined, Marriage has been traditionally between a man and a woman. Gays can just have a different, like Union, or whatever, and they would have all of the same rights as a married couple. Sounds silly, but that's just my opinion.
" Stop being a dick okay? You can say that because you've had a mother your whole life. I remember having friends up to 6th grade whose mother had died. Don't you think they would prefer to have one? That is beyond obvious, it's not even something you take in consideration! "That's beyond what you originally said. If brought up by two people of the same sex that the child considers parents, then there's no one dead in his or her eyes. He/she has both parents. Those are two different situations.
I don't understand why the government has to get involved in marriage at all, it's just a personal ceremony. They might as well get involved in authorizing karaoke nights or dinner plans. Remove all legal significance from marriage and you'll remove any problematic legal issues.
DUDE!" @Snail said:
That's beyond what you originally said. If brought up by two people of the same sex that the child considers parents, then there's no one dead in his or her eyes. He/she has both parents. Those are two different situations. "" Stop being a dick okay? You can say that because you've had a mother your whole life. I remember having friends up to 6th grade whose mother had died. Don't you think they would prefer to have one? That is beyond obvious, it's not even something you take in consideration! "
The post you quoted was after this guy said the following:
@FrankCanada97 said:
" Not necessarily, what about those who grew up without a mother and just a father? "
let them be, life is too short to be fighting for this stupid nonsense that a retarded monkey could answer. Of course, they should marry if they want to.
" @pirate_republic said:Well if gays can marry then why can't older men be allowed to have sex with 9 year old boys? Or younger? Why can't people marry animals? And if I want to rape and kill your entire family, why can't I do that? Where's the problem with any of those things? Who are you people to determine how I conduct my life?Why should you have a right to determine how a person lives their life? I could just as easily (and just as arbitrarily) claim that no one should have a right to put skulls in their avatar, and if I had political enough support to throw you in jail for your avatar, you'd understand why you're a hypocrite. "" I actually voted no. But that's just a preference really: I think that marriage should be religious and traditional. I also believe that drugs (including weed) should be kept illegal. Again, that's just a preference. I'm very conservative in this respect. "
Don't get me wrong, I'm friends with a shit load of gays and I have no problem with gay people living their lives happily, but where is the line? Where do we set the lines for right and wrong?
" @GreggD said:The point is I had an idea, but I'm not giving him a reason so he can just say "Yeah, that's what I was going to say"." @natetodamax said:I don't get it..... "" @Snail said:I think he's implying that it allows them to...You know what, I'd rather hear his explanation. "" @natetodamax: Seriously?... "You've said a mother is essential to the growth of a child twice, yet you've failed to tell us why that's true. "
" What is the purpose of marriage? "There is none to be honest. But if us straights feel the need to validate our love through a somewhat pointless ceremony, then they at least deserve to do that as well.
Yup got to agree with this one. I don't believe in god but marriage is an out-dated religous union between male and female, Im ok with calling gay-marriges something else completely but they should not be marriage, that already has a certain meaning in western culture, the union of male and female." I actually voted no. But that's just a preference really: I think that marriage should be religious and traditional. I also believe that drugs (including weed) should be kept illegal. Again, that's just a preference. I'm very conservative in this respect. "
However I still believe that america is too right wing, look at people opposing a nationalised health scheme, and calling obama the devil, it's crazy, so anything that makes you guys a bit more liberal, even though I am conservative, is a good thing!
I also think the family unit is, a mother and father (Husband and Wife) two or three children and a cat or dog, that is the family model I agree with. I think that a child brought up by two homosexuals would have a homosexual skew and that is not a good thing for the male/female balance and the human population.
Again, all my opinion, the governments of the free world have the real control over how all different types of people live their lives.
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