You officially suck now (because Stephen Fry said so)
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Grammar Nazis:
I think this counts as youtube spam. Or just video spam.
I'll never understand how a washed up actor who hosts a bad BBC game show has become such a cult icon.
A panel show is not a game show. They're not winning fucking washing machines, are they?" I'll never understand how a washed up actor who hosts a bad BBC game show has become such a cult icon. "
You lose.
" @HandsomeDead said:It's equally as dull. Any show where Jo Brand is a regular can't be good.A panel show is not a game show. They're not winning fucking washing machines, are they?You lose. "" I'll never understand how a washed up actor who hosts a bad BBC game show has become such a cult icon. "
" @HandsomeDead said:I read an essay about him last year which suggested people watch him because his accent and general toff attitude makes people think they're learning something. The only thing worse than idiots are idiots who think they're clever because they learned a worthless fact off Stephen Fry." I'll never understand how a washed up actor who hosts a bad BBC game show has become such a cult icon. "But... but... but he went to Cambridge! "
@Zimbo said:
" @HandsomeDead:Maybe because he is a interesting and nice guy. He also hosts a lot of documentaries and he worked in TV shows such as Blackadder! How could you not like the guy? Also, and most importantly. Twitter. "His documentary series where he went around America was so embarrassing. Basically An Idiot Abroad only played straight.
Sorry to post on topic, but:
This really has to be broken into two parts. Poetry and literature are perfect venues for creative use of language and words. On the other hand, communicative language (such as on/in a forum, newspaper, conversation), the sole purpose of which is to communicate a thought clearly, should be clear, concise, and precise. Obviously, certain people can take it overboard (less and fewer), but there is certainly a need to follow the rules of grammar in many contexts.
While I rarely find mr Fry laugh-out-loud funny nowadays - in a stand-up comic kind of way, at least - his mastery of language, sarcastic wit and championing of all things nerdy gives me enjoyment on a regular basis. As a non-native english speaker, I find videos as the one that started this thread to solidify my opinion that the english language is capable of being both beautiful and hilarious in ways other languages lack. Granted, my grasp of languages only include norwegian, along with a sub-par command of french and german, thus forcing me to base my preference solely on anecdotal evidence. Still, english remains my favorite language, and I will continue to be amazed and excited whenever I'm exposed to its masters. Dude.
" While I rarely find mr Fry laugh-out-loud funny nowadays - in a stand-up comic kind of way, at least - his mastery of language, sarcastic wit and championing of all things nerdy gives me enjoyment on a regular basis. As a non-native english speaker, I find videos as the one that started this thread to solidify my opinion that the english language is capable of being both beautiful and hilarious in ways other languages lack. Granted, my grasp of languages only include norwegian, along with a sub-par command of french and german, thus forcing me to base my preference solely on anecdotal evidence. Still, english remains my favorite language, and I will continue to be amazed and excited whenever I'm exposed to its masters. Dude. "You took the words out of my mouth. As someone who speaks three languages, English is by far my favorite for this exact reason.
I'll never understand how a washed up actor who hosts a bad BBC game show has become such a cult icon.I'm glad I'm not the only person who feels this way.
" @SeriouslyNow: I didn't know I had to be Laurence Olivier to criticize someone else's acting career. "
have you seen any of his theatre work? Or are you only basing your opinions on his early TV work?
Because washed up certainly indicates to me that his career is over, but you couldn't be further from the truth.
" @SeriouslyNow: I didn't know I had to be Laurence Olivier to criticize someone else's acting career. "Once again, he's not just an actor. He's done a whole lot more. And you're not criticising his career, you're giving him a misnomer which doesn't apply.
" @TheJohn said:Fucking stoked to be discussing the beauty of language with the cookie monster. Cake!" While I rarely find mr Fry laugh-out-loud funny nowadays - in a stand-up comic kind of way, at least - his mastery of language, sarcastic wit and championing of all things nerdy gives me enjoyment on a regular basis. As a non-native english speaker, I find videos as the one that started this thread to solidify my opinion that the english language is capable of being both beautiful and hilarious in ways other languages lack. Granted, my grasp of languages only include norwegian, along with a sub-par command of french and german, thus forcing me to base my preference solely on anecdotal evidence. Still, english remains my favorite language, and I will continue to be amazed and excited whenever I'm exposed to its masters. Dude. "You took the words out of my mouth. As someone who speaks three languages, English is by far my favorite for this exact reason. "
But yeah, it's a fun language, and I'm constantly learning nuances that makes me wish it was my given language. Norwegian has its charms as well, but we're a small country, and we just don't have as many words.
Being a geek, I find it extremely exciting whenever I find an english word that's descendant from the old form of norwegian, because it's usually the other way around
FUCK, NO nazi is A GOOD nazi. AND STEPHEN Fry wins 100000000000000000x FOR ME for voicing the Guide in THE HITCHHIKER movie if ONLY BECAUSE HE'S voice is WHAT I BASICALLY read that BOOK in.
" Sorry to post on topic, but: This really has to be broken into two parts. Poetry and literature are perfect venues for creative use of language and words. On the other hand, communicative language (such as on/in a forum, newspaper, conversation), the sole purpose of which is to communicate a thought clearly, should be clear, concise, and precise. Obviously, certain people can take it overboard (less and fewer), but there is certainly a need to follow the rules of grammar in many contexts. "I think Mr. Fry clearly illustrates when to follow the strict rule of Grammar in his monologue while still advocating the necessity of experimentation. Heaven forbid I compare some random user of the internet to some visionary of the English language, but I agree that perhaps the Grammar Nazi's out there need to stop being so proud and start taking a bit more joy in the fluidity of language. Besides, I love smashing words together to create new and ridiculous fusions that make absolutely no sense. It's good fun.
- Ex Gammar Nazi
I am more partial to a bit of Fry then is deemed healthy, and my admiration for him is well known to those close to me. He is of course ripe for criticism, but as always haters gunna hate. I know this is way off topic but any chance to talk about Stephen Fry is worth my time.
I saw this and have heard Fry make this point long before now and he's right, as long as your language at least allows you to communicate what you mean with other people there's no reason you should speak in a certain way. I usually aim to keep what I write as neat as possible because that's my personal style of writing but the way language evolves is through the introduction of new words and unconventional use of existing words and as Fry notes Shakespeare was one of the great pioneers of this. Unfortunately, like Fry, despite knowing there's no reason I should be upset by people using language unconventionally I still get a little pang of discomfort whenever I see grammar or spellings that aren't considered part of the Queen's English. Although I think I feel even more discomfort reading about the kind of people who write into Points of View highlighting spelling mistakes and think they're the fucking heroes of the modern world.
I'm surprised to find some people here not only harbour a dislike for Fry but also a rather strong one. In my opinion QI is a very interesting programme and Fry does a great job presenting it, I've also enjoyed his other recent TV appearances and his recent documentary on the United States. For those of you who think Fry now isn't laugh-out-loud funny like a stand-up comedian, well, guess what, he's not trying to be a laugh-out-loud stand-up comedian. I could take any actor who used to do work but no longer appears in classic works and call them 'washed up' but I believe Fry has earned his place as a national icon through his wit, intelligence, acting ability and general pleasant demeanour. Even if Fry's style is not your cup of tea how such a passive individual could inspire any kind of hate is breath-taking.
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