Left 4 Dead 2 BANNED in Australia

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#1 Edited by stenchlord (219 posts) -
 http://www.kotaku.com.au/2009/09/left-4-dead-2-banned-in-australia/
 
Left 4 Dead 2 has been refused classification in Australia in a decision announced by the Classification Board this morning.

You can see for yourself over on the Board’s website. The RC classification means Left 4 Dead 2 contains content that the Board deemed exceeds the guidelines for an MA15+ classification.

No details on what that content might be are available as yet.

We have contacted distributor Electronic Arts and will update you as soon as we can.

UPDATE: An EA spokesperson has told us they “are still working through the submission process with OFLC and want to explore all opportunities before making any comment.”
#2 Posted by ajamafalous (11592 posts) -

Interesting.

#3 Posted by Seedofpower (3909 posts) -
Link
 
Well, that sucks for them.
#4 Posted by Delta_Ass (3231 posts) -

Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie.

#5 Posted by Breadfan (6586 posts) -

Well we know who wont be prepared for the zombie apocalypse 

#6 Posted by ryanwho (12082 posts) -

So what people forget when they hear the whole "Australia was a prison island" thing is it started after the British civil war, so those 'crazy prisoners' were Puritans. And clearly they're still running the country.

#7 Posted by sdauz (432 posts) -

green blood time!

#8 Posted by Scooper (7882 posts) -

It'll be like that counterstrike family friendly setting where people just lay down and sleep when you shoot them.

#9 Posted by Hamz (6845 posts) -

Gotta love the 1950's style conservative mentality that the Australian classification board has.

#10 Posted by ArbitraryWater (11040 posts) -

Oh Australia.  All the zombies will be replaced with robots.

#11 Edited by jakob187 (21514 posts) -

Was the first Left 4 Dead allowed in Australia?  Just curious. 
 
Also, best comment on the Kotaku story:
 
"Yo Australia imma let you finish.  I know you just banned Left4Dead2, but Manhunt 2 was one of the best bands OF ALL TIME!" 
 
as well as: 
 
"Stingray melee weapon confirmed!" 
 
and: 
 
"Australia doesn't like more than one number in a game name."

#12 Posted by mordukai (7093 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" Gotta love the 1950's style conservative mentality that the Australian classification board has. "
This. Michael Atkinson is ass raping a lot of gamers by not having an MA18+ rating, which is kinda an irony onto itself. 
#13 Posted by buzz_clik (6840 posts) -

OH, FFS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
 
Sometimes I really enjoy living in this country. Other times, such as this, I wonder when the decision was made to change from a hard living nation into a fucking nanny state that's wrapped in three hundred layers of cotton wool and daffodils. What the living shit is going on down here? It's all getting too touchy feely for my liking. Even our national sport is being turned into a second-rate pooncefest where you can't even sneeze near someone. Gahhh!
 
*ahem* Sorry about that. I'll set my blood back to 'sulking simmer' instead of 'boiling over out of every hole in my head'.

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#14 Posted by Akeldama (4217 posts) -
@Delta_Ass said:
" Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie. "
#15 Posted by Hamz (6845 posts) -

God forbid the children get to play a game with fictional zombie apocalypses. But they are welcome to watch something like Wolf's Creek, right?
 
Hypocrisy at its finest.

#16 Posted by stenchlord (219 posts) -

Hahaha those are great.
 
As for the game, I doubt it won't get released here in Australia, even if it means that Valve have to edit the content out and then some online modder find a way to put it back in unofficially.
 
It's just that it can really be very frustrating. I'm not some impressionable 8 year old kid who wants to do the things I do in a game in my real life. I'm 24 and have the mental capacity to understand the differences between a game and real life.
Yet there's no R rating for games here in Australia. It all just feels really restricting and simply stupid. I do love living here and I wouldn't leave but there are some things I just completely don't understand about this country sometimes...

#17 Posted by ryoma122 (699 posts) -

lol
#18 Posted by FalconCritical (224 posts) -

Australia needs to sort out its game rating system, as soon as you can R18 games there like you can in NZ then it won't be such an issue for the 'impressionable 15-17yos'.
 
There's always Steam right?

#19 Posted by stenchlord (219 posts) -

Yeah we have Steam and it's where a lot of people will be purchasing their copy of L4D2 but if it doesn't get approval from the OFLC then it won't be available for us through Steam. If worst comes to worst, I'll import the game and play on NZ servers, shouldn't be too laggy depending on the server.

#20 Edited by AndrewB (7198 posts) -

It's sad that my one reason for never living in Australia is their ridiculous censorship. I mean, America is bad enough about it, what with the existence of AO games being shunned into the most shady corners of the country, but I don't know what I'd do without the legions of great M rated games.
 
Australia, itself, looks beautiful in its own way. A place I'd like to at least visit once.
@FalconCritical said:

" Australia needs to sort out its game rating system, as soon as you can R18 games there like you can in NZ then it won't be such an issue for the 'impressionable 15-17yos'.  There's always Steam right? "


Isn't Steam locked down by region, though? I have no idea, beyond what I remember hearing about that.
#21 Posted by stenchlord (219 posts) -

Yes it is.

#22 Posted by Manachild (470 posts) -
@jakob187 said:
" Was the first Left 4 Dead allowed in Australia?  Just curious.  Also, best comment on the Kotaku story: "Yo Australia imma let you finish.  I know you just banned Left4Dead2, but Manhunt 2 was one of the best bands OF ALL TIME!"  as well as:  "Stingray melee weapon confirmed!"  and:  "Australia doesn't like more than one number in a game name." "
Yeah, first left 4 dead was allowed in australia, as was dead space which has very over the top violent death sequences when you die... the pc version of gta iv is uncensored the list goes on, alot of hypocrisy goes on in the australian ratings board.
#23 Posted by Bubahula (2197 posts) -

Austallia's classification board does somthing crazy....news, they really need to sort that out
#24 Edited by stenchlord (219 posts) -

Hopefully Valve will resubmit soon and the OFLC will allow it if the problem is shown in the right context.

#26 Posted by Cube (4366 posts) -
@Akeldama said:
" @Delta_Ass said:
" Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie. "
"
#27 Posted by punkxblaze (2879 posts) -

Confirmed: The zombie apocalypse originates in Australia because they won't be fucking ready. God save us all.

#28 Posted by Red12b (9044 posts) -

Oh well, At least those who signed the petition in Aus will follow their word, They wont be able to break it!
#29 Posted by Black_Rose (7785 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" God forbid the children get to play a game with fictional zombie apocalypses. But they are welcome to watch something like Wolf's Creek, right?  Hypocrisy at its finest. "
Indeed
#30 Posted by Rowr (5250 posts) -
@buzz_clik said:
" OH, FFS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
 
Sometimes I really enjoy living in this country. Other times, such as this, I wonder when the decision was made to change from a hard living nation into a fucking nanny state that's wrapped in three hundred layers of cotton wool and daffodils. What the living shit is going on down here? It's all getting too touchy feely for my liking. Even our national sport is being turned into a second-rate pooncefest where you can't even sneeze near someone. Gahhh!  *ahem* Sorry about that. I'll set my blood back to 'sulking simmer' instead of 'boiling over out of every hole in my head'. "
yeh our country is kind of a shadow of its former glory.
#31 Edited by jonnyboy (2920 posts) -
@Rowr said:

" @buzz_clik said:

" OH, FFS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
 
Sometimes I really enjoy living in this country. Other times, such as this, I wonder when the decision was made to change from a hard living nation into a fucking nanny state that's wrapped in three hundred layers of cotton wool and daffodils. What the living shit is going on down here? It's all getting too touchy feely for my liking. Even our national sport is being turned into a second-rate pooncefest where you can't even sneeze near someone. Gahhh!  *ahem* Sorry about that. I'll set my blood back to 'sulking simmer' instead of 'boiling over out of every hole in my head'. "
yeh our country is kind of a shadow of its former glory. "
Listen I tottaly understand why your upset but think of it this as a 'Spectacular beaches and hot girls' tax. See, swings and roundabouts.
#32 Posted by shaun832 (363 posts) -

WHAT THE FUCK?!!! That was possibly the lightest way I could have expressed my rage. I fucking hate the Australian Classification Board and more importantly Michael Atkinson. Thank you Mr Atkinson, you now have another death sentence!

#33 Posted by Katakalypto (16 posts) -

Not surprising in the least.

#34 Posted by oldschool (7264 posts) -
@Hamz said:
" God forbid the children get to play a game with fictional zombie apocalypses. But they are welcome to watch something like Wolf's Creek, right?  Hypocrisy at its finest. "
The only issue that I have about comments about censorship in Australia is that it leads to some impression that it is some kind of puritannical backwater.  It isn't.  When it comes to free to air television, Australia is about 30 years ahead of the USA (any of you get to watch NIN - Closer unedited on your free to aor networks?  Any of your networks allow use of the words fuck or cunt?  Any of your networks show Basic Instinct, or other strong sex films uncut?), but not quite up to some European countries.  This games issue is a blip on what is otherwise an extremely liberal country.  
 
This is being held up by the fact that the country is a commonwealth and an agreement needs to be made by all Attorneys -General.  That means an elected politician, chosen by his party from Tasmania, South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland and Western Australia, plus the federal Attorney-General all must agree to the classification to make it law.  The problem has been some conservative dick from South Australia.  There is pretty much broad agreement that we should have an adult classification, but with shock radio personalities, tabloid newspapers and scared politicians, it isn't going anywhere. 
 
This happens 2-3 times a year,  Sometimes we don't care (50 Cent game) and other times we do (Fallout 3), but usually, some small and relatively insignificant changes are made and the games get released.  They don't make the game any less fun.  SO, my view, is this is just the usual storm in a teacup stuff where people shout ridiculous things about Australia.  I am in support of an adult classification as well, but it isn't a march in the streets thing.
#35 Posted by Khann (2622 posts) -

There are times since moving to NZ that I miss Australia.... this isn't one of them.

#36 Edited by AhmadMetallic (18955 posts) -
@Hamz said:

" Gotta love the 1950's style conservative mentality that the Australian classification board has. "

yeah man what the fuck is wrong with australia 
 
 
 
@Cube said:
" @Akeldama said:
" @Delta_Ass said:
" Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie. "
"
"
  
#37 Posted by stenchlord (219 posts) -

That said, censorship on our movies and tv is quite a bit more lax than the ones in the USA. I've noticed quite a few movies which got an R+ rating in America are merely rated MA+ here.
I can understand that games are more likely aimed at the youth of Australia but not everyone who plays games is under 18.
My generation who grew up playing the NES/Famicoms, Master Systems, SNES', Super Mega Drives, PSones, N64s, Saturns etc when the console/gaming industry really started gaining momentum through the late 80s and early 90s are now all in our 20s.
I'd go as far to say that we're the generation who put the most money into the gaming industry here in Australia (making it what it is today locally) and yet we get subjected to the classification ratings which are meant to protect those who can't even purchase games without asking their parents for a credit card.
Now while I'm not at all happy with Michael Atkinson, it's the media who in the long run who make people think these kinds of things are necessary. Whenever an incident involving a child committing a crime is in someway related to a game, the media go nuts over it and it has an effect on idiots who are just as impressionable as their kids, these people take it as the literal truth and then should they come into power continue that way of thinking.
It's all a joke really and hopefully one day it changes, for the time being though all I can do is contact people and state a case on behalf of people with the same ideals. I've emailed Atkinson and I doubt very much he'll even take the time to bother reading it but hopefully one day someone will finally read it and see the sense in it.

#38 Posted by VWGTI (1919 posts) -

Facepalm for Australia.
#39 Posted by eezo (284 posts) -

that's why i live in Norway,  
also the legal sex age is 16 here YAAY

#40 Posted by Seraphim2150 (323 posts) -

They produced Neighbours yet ban this?
 
Ah well, the PC crowd is alright buying off Steam and the 360 crowd might be able to import it

#41 Posted by Bucketdeth (7983 posts) -

Wow what a bunch of uptight fucks, none of them probably play video games and have no clue what effect it has on your mind and body, and to most it's none, it's just a hobby and mindless fun, especially for L4D2. 
I don't understand why they allow extremely violent torture movies there but a zombie survival game is over the top.

#42 Posted by randiolo (1088 posts) -
@Delta_Ass said:
" Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie. "
ok. no.1..we dont talk like that..and no1 puts shrimps on a barbie.. its called a fry pan
 
and no.2. ..its not a prison island coz ima italian n im no friken convict.
#43 Posted by Grimace (374 posts) -

It's not the Classification Board specifically that stops these games being rated - it's the law makers.
 
More specifically, Australia would have an R-rating but South Australian Attorney General Michael Atkinson won't budge on the issue and to change any legislation the decision needs to be unanimous.
 
But Left 4 Dead 2 will get released of course, censored, changed whatever and everybody will be happy (or at least content to some extent) for another 12 months before another high profile game gets refused classification and all this starts again.

#44 Edited by stenchlord (219 posts) -

I put prawns on the BBQ, they're quite nice grilled/BBQ'd.
 
I'm half Filipino and half Chinese lol.
 
Also Steam is region locked, so if it doesn't pass approval, can't even buy it off Steam which is why it underwent the test in the first place lol. If Valve didn't need to get it OFLC approved then they wouldn't have submitted it.
 
Also Ezzo, legal age for sex is also 16 here. We also get to drink when we hit 18 unlike other places where you have to wait till you're 21.

#45 Posted by Hitchenson (4682 posts) -
@stenchlord: Same in the UK, 16 and 18.
#46 Posted by vidiot (2737 posts) -

It's still amusing as hell.  
Personally, I love your randomness when it comes to banning games. I didn't know the context to why certain games get banned and why others don't, thanks oldschool. 
 
But my favorite part about this is that the ESRB hasn't even given the "Left 4 Dead 2" a rating yet.  
Yup, it's still at RP (Rating Pending) status. Meaning that it's either still be put through the evaluation, or has yet to be submitted. It's probably like this because, as we all know: The game isn't finished yet.
 
Now to be fair, we all know what the rating for this game is going to be. That being said, it's quite hilarious that a foreign country has already deemed the content unsuitable, to the point that it should be banned. And while that assumption of it's banning is of course debatable, it's even funnier that the Australian classification board has beaten the classification system of the developers country of origin.
 
How the heck did ya manage that? :P
 
Not to say that the ESRB is exempt from criticism, but in America games need to be submitted and evaluated.
 
In Australia it sounds like all it takes is a scared politician with an out-of-context youtube clip.

#47 Edited by ShaunassNZ (2128 posts) -

Fuck you AUS board this is like what happened to GTA IV so then it rolls onto us here in NZ and we got a cut version of GTA IV, not that i would have enjoyed it anymore, but still it isn't fair.

#48 Edited by Crocio (542 posts) -

Quite convenient for me to have dual citizen ships, butit's equally disappointing for all the other Australian gamers...
 
The situation is just caused by one attorney refusing a 18 game classification rating when all other forms of media here have one.

It's ridiculous for this Atkinson fellow not to recognize that adults want to play video games aimed for their audience. Really though, this has to be the last straw; boycotting a quality valve game is infuriating, clearly, the representatives are completely disconnected from gaming culture. 
 
It's really sad that they have to tone down the game because of this one man's disconnected requests. Quite a shame too because otherwise, this country has a wonderful quality of life and amazing social benefits.

#49 Posted by natetodamax (19141 posts) -
@Delta_Ass said:
" Crikey, put another shrimp on the barbie. "
I lol'd
#50 Posted by PureRok (4235 posts) -
@oldschool said:
" @Hamz said:
" God forbid the children get to play a game with fictional zombie apocalypses. But they are welcome to watch something like Wolf's Creek, right?  Hypocrisy at its finest. "
Any of your networks allow use of the words fuck or cunt?  "
Yes.

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