@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

giantbomb reviews games made by people they consider friends. just because one of thier employees is in it doesnt mean they shouldnt review it.

Jeff tweeted he had a family emergency yesterday and work might fall behind because of it so his review may be late. Hopefully word gets around so people can stave off their fiery hatred in case something terrible is going on and give him some support instead.

They know how to hype their game and market them.

Review are marketting, deal with it.

@Jeust said:

http://blastreviews.com/mass-effect-3-review-b.php

Wow, this is the worst fucking website ever.

@iAmJohn said:

@Jeust said:

http://blastreviews.com/mass-effect-3-review-b.php

Wow, this is the worst fucking website ever.

They have a review of Max Payne 3 so yeah..... I would not even trust them have played Mass Effect 3. I mean...I could have written that review based on preview coverage.

@Korwin said:

I would be incredibly amused to see a 3/5 from Brad or Jeff on this one. I loved those first two games (you don't wanna know how many play through's of ME1 I've done), but I think I would almost enjoy the explosive internet rage that would occur as a result of a middle of the road score even more.

Hell, a 4/5 would cause this forum to explode, I'm fairly sure. Woe betide any reviewer that gives ME3 less than 9/10. One side you'll have the "I told ya so, BioWare is worse than Hitler" types, on the other you'll have those ragingly trying to justify their purchase. Round and round it goes.

Honestly, reviews mean fuck all to me these days. My views on games don't match up to the reviewers any more. I'd rather get the scoop from non-journo gamers. Regardless, I'm picking ME3 up tomorrow morning and will see for myself what's the what.

@stryker1121 said:

@Korwin said:

I would be incredibly amused to see a 3/5 from Brad or Jeff on this one. I loved those first two games (you don't wanna know how many play through's of ME1 I've done), but I think I would almost enjoy the explosive internet rage that would occur as a result of a middle of the road score even more.

Hell, a 4/5 would cause this forum to explode, I'm fairly sure. Woe betide any reviewer that gives ME3 less than 9/10. One side you'll have the "I told ya so, BioWare is worse than Hitler" types, on the other you'll have those ragingly trying to justify their purchase. Round and round it goes.

Honestly, reviews mean fuck all to me these days. My views on games don't match up to the reviewers any more. I'd rather get the scoop from non-journo gamers. Regardless, I'm picking ME3 up tomorrow morning and will see for myself what's the what.

Everything makes everyone explode on this website. This is one of the rage-ier websites for video games on the internet. I come here because the Top Men and I share the same tastes in video games. I don't like the games Ryan plays, but at least he is honest. That is more important.

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

@Brodehouse:

Why would I do that, he would not answer it, and it's not a question.

I like Jeff, part of why I pay per month for this website is for Jeff. But I'm not really on par with him on video games opinion, but I respect him as person.

I'm sure that Giantbomb is not like IGN, but they are kind of Biased about ME3 with that podcast and they are really fanboy-ish about the franchise.

@solidwolf52 said:

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

Prove it.

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

@gladspooky said:

@solidwolf52 said:

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

Prove it.

Yeah!

@gladspooky said:

@solidwolf52 said:

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

Prove it.

You know I can't do that, but the circumstantial evidence is there.

@gladspooky said:

@solidwolf52 said:

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

Prove it.

Hahahahaha really? Like, okay, you don't think Jeff is a good or honest critic or whatever, that's fine. But please don't try to re-write history here, pal.

@Drakoji said:

They know how to hype their game and market them.

Review are marketting, deal with it.

then why doesn't every game get a great review?

if its so easy to buy a great review why doesn't every publisher buy them?

or is it just evil EA... or activison when you weirdo's get round too hating them again

@Jeust said:

@stinky said:

@Jeust said:

http://blastreviews.com/mass-effect-3-review-b.php

ad in disguise.

I can see the review after the add, although the add is really annoying.

read the review. they have never seen the game. its like a horoscope, they use the most general terminology possible.

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

@stinky said:

@Jeust said:

@stinky said:

@Jeust said:

http://blastreviews.com/mass-effect-3-review-b.php

ad in disguise.

I can see the review after the add, although the add is really annoying.

read the review. they have never seen the game. its like a horoscope, they use the most general terminology possible.

Not to mention that of the eight other reviews on the site, half of them are for unreleased games.

@endaround said:

@JasonR86

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

Giantbomb didn't review Bastion for a reason

But they reviewed Tron: Evolution (a Johnny V. joint). I'm not saying editors are always unbiased. But, by and large, they are. If they feel like they wouldn't be able to stay objective I would hope they would keep themselves from reviewing a product. As you mentioned, the GB guys didn't review Bastion. Greg Miller did something similar. He didn't review Infamous 2 because he was too attached to Infamous 1. Reviewers mostly know when they are going to be biased and when they aren't. That's why they are professionals. Looking for some hidden agenda behind IGN's review of ME 3 is pointless. There just isn't anything there.

@iAmJohn said:

@gladspooky said:

@solidwolf52 said:

Are people really questioning Jeff's integrity with reviews? He was fired from GS for standing by a poor review score even though there was pressure from the advertisers.

Prove it.

Hahahahaha really? Like, okay, you don't think Jeff is a good or honest critic or whatever, that's fine. But please don't try to re-write history here, pal.

Thanks for the proof.

@Jayzilla said:

@stryker1121 said:

@Korwin said:

I would be incredibly amused to see a 3/5 from Brad or Jeff on this one. I loved those first two games (you don't wanna know how many play through's of ME1 I've done), but I think I would almost enjoy the explosive internet rage that would occur as a result of a middle of the road score even more.

Hell, a 4/5 would cause this forum to explode, I'm fairly sure. Woe betide any reviewer that gives ME3 less than 9/10. One side you'll have the "I told ya so, BioWare is worse than Hitler" types, on the other you'll have those ragingly trying to justify their purchase. Round and round it goes.

Honestly, reviews mean fuck all to me these days. My views on games don't match up to the reviewers any more. I'd rather get the scoop from non-journo gamers. Regardless, I'm picking ME3 up tomorrow morning and will see for myself what's the what.

Everything makes everyone explode on this website. This is one of the rage-ier websites for video games on the internet. I come here because the Top Men and I share the same tastes in video games. I don't like the games Ryan plays, but at least he is honest. That is more important.

I like the community here, and as I'm fairly new I haven't noticed too much rage. But if ME3 gets middling scores i have no doubt this place (along with untold gaming sites across the spectrum) will go nutso.

@JasonR86 said:

@endaround said:

@JasonR86

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

Giantbomb didn't review Bastion for a reason

But they reviewed Tron: Evolution (a Johnny V. joint). I'm not saying editors are always unbiased. But, by and large, they are. If they feel like they wouldn't be able to stay objective I would hope they would keep themselves from reviewing a product. As you mentioned, the GB guys didn't review Bastion. Greg Miller did something similar. He didn't review Infamous 2 because he was too attached to Infamous 1. Reviewers mostly know when they are going to be biased and when they aren't. That's why they are professionals. Looking for some hidden agenda behind IGN's review of ME 3 is pointless. There just isn't anything there.

johnny doesn't do anything but PR

@Hunkulese said:

@Deusx said:

@Dany said:

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

oh, thats true, shit. i need to watch jar time

EDIT: just realized, Jeff giving anything lower than 5/5 is going to create some nerd rage O_O

I'm not going to like these forums in the next few days, am I?

What Nerd rage? Haven't you been informed? 99% of the internet hates ME3 and all things Bioware. If Jeff gives this less than a 4 people will be happy. I know I will.

Why would a review score have any effect on your disposition?

Immature hate approved by Jeff Gerstmann?... Can't get better than that.

@Animasta said:

@JasonR86 said:

@endaround said:

@JasonR86

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

Giantbomb didn't review Bastion for a reason

But they reviewed Tron: Evolution (a Johnny V. joint). I'm not saying editors are always unbiased. But, by and large, they are. If they feel like they wouldn't be able to stay objective I would hope they would keep themselves from reviewing a product. As you mentioned, the GB guys didn't review Bastion. Greg Miller did something similar. He didn't review Infamous 2 because he was too attached to Infamous 1. Reviewers mostly know when they are going to be biased and when they aren't. That's why they are professionals. Looking for some hidden agenda behind IGN's review of ME 3 is pointless. There just isn't anything there.

johnny doesn't do anything but PR

It was still a product he was involved with and took credit for. The department he worked for is irrelevant.

@JasonR86: I don't think so, because tron not being received well was nothing johnny could realistically be blamed for.

@Animasta:

Again, that's irrelevant. It is a team project. Say the sound design is great in a game but everything else is terrible. That does not mean that the sound design is free from feeling bad about a poor product. The entire team is responsible for the good and bad that comes from a product that is released.

@JasonR86 said:

@Animasta:

Again, that's irrelevant. It is a team project. Say the sound design is great in a game but everything else is terrible. That does not mean that the sound design is free from feeling bad about a poor product. The entire team is responsible for the good and bad that comes from a product that is released.

PR doesn't work on the game though, beyond occasionally being testers.

@JasonR86

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

Giantbomb didn't review Bastion for a reason

@Floppypants said:

Here's your early Game Informer review, via twitter:

Just finished ME3, and I just want say thanks to CaseyDHudsonRayMuzyka, DoktorZee, and all of bioware for the game. WOW.

Obviously he's being paid off! Didn't you see LordXavierBritish's impotent man-child rage thread?

@stryker1121 said:

@Korwin said:

I would be incredibly amused to see a 3/5 from Brad or Jeff on this one. I loved those first two games (you don't wanna know how many play through's of ME1 I've done), but I think I would almost enjoy the explosive internet rage that would occur as a result of a middle of the road score even more.

Hell, a 4/5 would cause this forum to explode, I'm fairly sure. Woe betide any reviewer that gives ME3 less than 9/10. One side you'll have the "I told ya so, BioWare is worse than Hitler" types, on the other you'll have those ragingly trying to justify their purchase. Round and round it goes.

Honestly, reviews mean fuck all to me these days. My views on games don't match up to the reviewers any more. I'd rather get the scoop from non-journo gamers. Regardless, I'm picking ME3 up tomorrow morning and will see for myself what's the what.

Right? It's a lose/lose for these poor reviewers. Even if it gets a 5/5, you'll just get the OTHER, equally absurd, side accusing them of being bought off and screaming about how it's impossible to get an unbiased review (IE: one that agrees with their sensibilities).

To answer some things I read a few posts back, I think the reason they didn't review Bastion was because they did that behind the scenes stuff about it.

@lclay said:

@PrivateIronTFU said:

@Floppypants said:

Here's your early Game Informer review, via twitter:

Just finished ME3, and I just want say thanks to CaseyDHudsonRayMuzyka, DoktorZee, and all of bioware for the game. WOW.

Obviously he's being paid off! Didn't you see LordXavierBritish's impotent man-child rage thread?

I read the first paragraph of that thread and then closed it because I thought it probably had a bunch spoilers. Just how stupid is it?

It's not so much stupid as it is hyperbolic. I have trouble believing he isn't exaggerating hugely.

@Undeadpool said:

@stryker1121 said:

@Korwin said:

I would be incredibly amused to see a 3/5 from Brad or Jeff on this one. I loved those first two games (you don't wanna know how many play through's of ME1 I've done), but I think I would almost enjoy the explosive internet rage that would occur as a result of a middle of the road score even more.

Hell, a 4/5 would cause this forum to explode, I'm fairly sure. Woe betide any reviewer that gives ME3 less than 9/10. One side you'll have the "I told ya so, BioWare is worse than Hitler" types, on the other you'll have those ragingly trying to justify their purchase. Round and round it goes.

Honestly, reviews mean fuck all to me these days. My views on games don't match up to the reviewers any more. I'd rather get the scoop from non-journo gamers. Regardless, I'm picking ME3 up tomorrow morning and will see for myself what's the what.

Right? It's a lose/lose for these poor reviewers. Even if it gets a 5/5, you'll just get the OTHER, equally absurd, side accusing them of being bought off and screaming about how it's impossible to get an unbiased review (IE: one that agrees with their sensibilities).

People have opinions and like to defend them, what a shock.

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

giantbomb reviews games made by people they consider friends. just because one of thier employees is in it doesnt mean they shouldnt review it.

@iAmJohn said:

@stinky said:

@Jeust said:

@stinky said:

@Jeust said:

http://blastreviews.com/mass-effect-3-review-b.php

ad in disguise.

I can see the review after the add, although the add is really annoying.

read the review. they have never seen the game. its like a horoscope, they use the most general terminology possible.

Not to mention that of the eight other reviews on the site, half of them are for unreleased games.

ah, i didn't read it. ^^"

@Milkman said:

@tunaburn said:

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

giantbomb reviews games made by people they consider friends. just because one of thier employees is in it doesnt mean they shouldnt review it.

Pretty sure if Brad was IN a game, Giant Bomb wouldn't review it. In related news, I now want to play a game with Brad in it.

I would now like to defeat the Reapers with Jeff's Murder Slingshot.

@JasonR86 said:

@endaround said:

@JasonR86

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

Several editors know and are friends with developers. Yet they review those developer's games. The GB editors are friends with Johnny V. and have reviewed his games. They are professionals. This is what they do. It isn't any different with IGN.

Giantbomb didn't review Bastion for a reason

But they reviewed Tron: Evolution (a Johnny V. joint). I'm not saying editors are always unbiased. But, by and large, they are. If they feel like they wouldn't be able to stay objective I would hope they would keep themselves from reviewing a product. As you mentioned, the GB guys didn't review Bastion. Greg Miller did something similar. He didn't review Infamous 2 because he was too attached to Infamous 1. Reviewers mostly know when they are going to be biased and when they aren't. That's why they are professionals. Looking for some hidden agenda behind IGN's review of ME 3 is pointless. There just isn't anything there.

Also, just to throw it out there, I listened to a podcast recently where they were very vocal in their displeasure about Chobot being in Mass Effect 3. Specifically, that seeing someone they're friends with IRL in a game would be a bit jarring and take them out of the game. They went on to say that anyone working on their side of the industry should not be put into games and some such other business. Even still, I'd only see this becoming an issue if Chobot herself reviewed the game she was in.

If you question IGN's journalistic integrity, then that's a whole nother thing apart from this individual case. Otherwise, I don't think it's an issue. Also, in the case of Bastion, I think Jason hit the nail on the head. They had the team over multiple times and had a whole special series of videos depicting the game being made specifically for this site. They got close to a point where it'd have been hard to objectively review the game though every chance they got, they did praise it's awesomeness including Bastion winning a number of the annual awards. There's a huge difference between the closeness of this entire site to bastion and one editor being put into the game. . . though I'm curious as to how that process went down and if there was any money changing hands.

Anyway, I'm trying to keep myself from buying a Vita. . .

@Milkman said:

@tunaburn said:

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

giantbomb reviews games made by people they consider friends. just because one of thier employees is in it doesnt mean they shouldnt review it.

Pretty sure if Brad was IN a game, Giant Bomb wouldn't review it. In related news, I now want to play a game with Brad in it.

If some wrestling game put in Brad Shoemaker as a playable character, I could totally see Jeff reviewing the game. If the game sucked, I'd like to think Brad being in there wouldn't skew his opinion on it one iota aside from some kind of joke line about Brad sucking at games and in games or something.

@Milkman said:

@tunaburn said:

@SmasheControllers said:

@Dany: Jessica Chobot's in the game, It just doesn't seem right for them to review a game with someone they know in it.

giantbomb reviews games made by people they consider friends. just because one of thier employees is in it doesnt mean they shouldnt review it.

Pretty sure if Brad was IN a game, Giant Bomb wouldn't review it. In related news, I now want to play a game with Brad in it.

he would be a terrific voice actor

It's so much stupid as it is hyperbolic. I have trouble believing he isn't exaggerating hugely.

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

Now I need to make Brad Shepard. Or someone else can do it and hook me up with the codes for it.

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

@Napalm said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

I see it now. You are just trolling very hard. Technically, you succeeded, because everybody is either agreeing with you, or is very angry at you.

I think he makes salient points while also being crazy, so you're WRONG.

@Napalm said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

I see it now. You are just trolling very hard. Technically, you succeeded, because everybody is either agreeing with you, or is very angry at you.

I think he makes salient points while also being crazy, so you're WRONG.

@Napalm said:

@Animasta said:

@Napalm said:

@LordXavierBritish said:

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

I see it now. You are just trolling very hard. Technically, you succeeded, because everybody is either agreeing with you, or is very angry at you.

I think he makes salient points while also being crazy, so you're WRONG.

You're also crazy, so: shut up.

nuhuh

but seriously at this point no one's getting convinced either way so it's really just pointless.

@gladspooky: There's a line between "Defending your opinion" and "accusing someone of being on the take because you feel that their opinion is objectively incorrect".

Does Game Informer often give bad scores to big games? It would make no sense at all for a store brochure to tell people not to go out and buy one of the most hyped games of the year. Not saying they're wrong, just saying their massive and undeniable conflict of interest makes their judgement pretty worthless.

@LordXavierBritish said:

Mother fuckers you think you can hide from me.

Your avatar pic makes this priceless. The forums have justified their existence for today!